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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Although this would mix genres, universes and everything else, Goku of Dragonball Z fame would probably give him a run for the money. I have to think about it logically some more before I decide, but I wanted to see what you guys think in the meantime. This post is not meant to diminish Superman in any way (I have a similar post going about the Captain Marvel/Superman conflict). It's just a what-if, who-do-you-think-and-why exercise.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - cloud7_20 (Wed Nov 30 2005 17:13:32 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------superman does a 3 hit punch combo, then goku does 1000 hit punch kick combo.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - jeff_zalonka (Wed Nov 30 2005 18:01:47 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Superman will win after 87 episodes. He will go through Gokus' buddies/kids first of course and at various locations in the universe too because Goku is either training or sick in the first 40 or so episodes. Goku then makes his grand appearance in the 45th episode when all of his allies are defeated or killed. Superman and Goku then battle or talk for the remainder of the series until the they totally go god like because their powers are beyond anything you can ever EVER imagine. Supes then kicks Goku through 52 suns and moons and slams Goku in between two planets like a kid cleaning chalk from the schools' erasers, where finally Goku perishes. Then superman dies too...like twelve seconds later.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - pablo_butt (Wed Nov 30 2005 18:54:48 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Haha, great post.
That's what I always hated about DBZ. So freakin' long to fight!!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Mael-Num (Wed Nov 30 2005 19:28:23 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Oh fercrissakes. Superman's not even in the same league, even Pre-Crisis.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin (Wed Nov 30 2005 21:02:39 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here is how the fihgt would go:
Episodes 1-4:Superman would arrive on earth, and accidentally blow up a town or two, and cause plenty of other destruction
Episode 5-10: Goku and the Z warriors getting their asses handed to them by Superman
Episodes 11-20: Bunch of stupid stuff happens, perhaps some filler, and that Goku learns of a new technique that could stop Superman.
Episodes 21-39: Goku spends time learning this new technique which is supposedly guarenteed to stop Superman. That, and he constantly eats plenty of sushi for some reason.
Episodes 40-45: After learning the new technique, Goku tries to get back to his home, and face Superman. While the rest of the characters(whose power levels combined are higher than the national debt) continually get their asses kicked by Superman.
Episodes 46-48: Goku finally shows up, and the characets who were getting their asses kicked somehow appear to be healthy, and stand on the side lines, and Goku begins to pick superman apart with his newly aquired strength.
Episodes 49: After some inane banter between the two fighters, Superman decides to reveal some hidden technique, or his full strength which he could have easily used to kill Goku or anyone else with one hit earlier. And proceeds by grunting for the whole episode.
Episode 51-57:Superman starts handing Goku's @ss to him. Whereas on the sidelines, the Z warriors watch(while fully healthy), as Goku gets his a$$ kicked(there is one of him, and five of us).
58-60: The other fighters step in, and distract Superman, while Goku charges up to perform that special technique he spent so many episodes training to perform.
61: Goku uses the technique on Superman, and after a whole lot of grunting, and some power struggles, Superman just sort of evaporates for some reason.
63: After math, and more inane banter.
Green Goblin(Spiderman): I offered you friendship, and you spat in my face.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - khantrol (Thu Dec 1 2005 11:18:06 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Heh, heh. These are some awesome posts. For anyone who watches DBZ, this is some on-point, funny-a$$ed $h1t.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - the-trooper (Thu Dec 1 2005 11:22:07 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------lol so true !!
we will believe again...........superman returns 2006
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - aaronprice04 (Thu Dec 1 2005 11:32:18 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Oh for *beep* sake this VS thread as been repeated about 20 times this year, please stop posting these silly VS threads, If your going to do a VS thread make sure its not one thats been done over and over on here.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - khantrol 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 13:43:29 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I didn't know that. If it's been done 20 times this year and you're sick of it:
1) Why did you read it? I skip posts that don't interest me. 2) Why did you take the time to post? 3) If you've read 20 other posts about the same thing, tell us what the consensus is or don't comment at all.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - aaronprice04 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 13:48:00 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well I figured I should post to let you know before you end up with everyone else saying there has been like 20 posts about Superman VS Goku. Ok you didn't know but if you go down a few pages you should find this subject talked about a lot.
One board had about 130 arguing who was the strongest out of the two.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Mael-Num 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 13:54:16 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------You're giving Superman waaaay too much credit. If it were anytime after the Cell games, Goku would hit Superman, Superman would hit the floor.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - SteveStryker 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 14:17:01 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I've always said that Goku is a Japanese Superman on speed.
Welcome to the terror dome.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Mael-Num 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 14:21:14 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yeah, but Goku works out...a lot.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 16:01:58 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here's a copy/pasted post with examples of Superman's powers:
"Goku cant beat Superman, and Im sick of hearing people who know nothing about Superman say he can.
People always call in fusion, or SSJ4 Goku at his strongest, so why not use Superman at his strongest? Superman Prime has been living in the SUN for 15,000 years, and he has the Green Lantern ring, the Universe's Most Powerful weapon. By that time, Supes is no longer hurt by Kryptonite, he has absorbed so much solar energy that he cannot be hurt by anything other than a psychic attack (psychic attacks only give him headaches), and the Green Lantern ring is limited only by willpower in what it can do.
Or how about Pre-Crisis Superman? Who is this? The early version of Superman, who had his powers cut back during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Heres some samples of his powers:
Goku can blow up a planet? Superman once juggled planets.
Goku has instant transmission? The Flash can run over 8 times the speed of light, and Superman barely lost to him in a footrace. That means that Superman can move at around 7.7 times the speed of light. Goku's instant transmission is only 99% speed of light.
Superman once nearly outflew the barrier of creation.
He is so fast, and his senses are so sharp, that while talking to Lois Lane, he heard aliens in another galaxy needing help, went there, helped them, and came back, and Lois didnt even notice he had left.
His voice alone can shatter mountains.
His heat vision can repel Darkseid's Omega Effect, which can destroy planets.
Should I go on? Yep.
Superman closed a black hole with his bare hands.
He once used his superbreath to extinguish a star about to go nova.
He sneezed in outer space, and his super breath obliterated an uninhabited solar-system. The whole thing.
In February 1954, Superman withstands the explosion of a hydrogen bomb, (Superman #87)
In June 1958, while relaxing at his Fortress of Solitude, Superman defeats a great robot he has built in a game of super-chess, despite the fact that the robot - which possesses a super-electronic brain - can think and play with the speed of lightning and plans a million moves at once.
By 1957, Superman is able to hurl an uninhabited Planet through space (Superman #110) Both Pre-Crisis Superman and Superboy have been known to move planets without external assistance. For reference, consider the earth an average sized planet. The earth weighs in at 5.972 sextillion (5,972,000,000,000,000,000,000) metric tons.
Ive got more if you want it... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- FANBOYS, TAKE NOTE: We've already talked about the following many times:
This thread is comparing the second strongest version of Superman to the second strongest version of Goku. WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING ANIMATED SUPERMAN, WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING PRIME, AND WE ARE NOT DISCUSSING GOKU AFTER HE ABSORBS THE DRAGONBALLS. Superman Prime is just too strong to even think about fighting anybody hand to hand. So we'll use Pre-Crisis Superman. Goku, after absorbing the Dragonballs, is never seen fighting again, so we arent using him either. We dont know what he can do. The fight is Pre-Crisis Superman vs SSJ4 Goku.
We arent talking about WHY they are fighting. We dont care why. Even though we know that comic heroes have fought each other many times, and we know that Goku has fought his friends and family many times, we just dont care. This is about what would happen IF they fought.
Superman is impervious to ki attacks. There are ki users in the DCU, and they do not affect Superman.
Goku trying to use Kryptonite on Superman. Goku wont. Just for comparison, he gave Cell a senzu bean before sending his own son in against Cell. He wont figure out Superman's weakness anyway. Of note: Green K is not an instant kill on the Man of Steel. Superman was recently injected with liquid K (I know, I know, Kryptonite is a mineral, I dont write this stuff) and was still able to use his powers.
Goku blowing up the sun. Goku wont, he's too good to intentionally kill everyone on Earth, just to win a fight. He would rather sacrifice himself than risk destroying the earth. Plus, Superman has enough solar energy stored up, and can exist in space long enough, that the destruction of the sun would be more of a problem for Goku than Superman.
Goku trying to gather the Dragonballs. He doesnt have time, because Superman is so much faster, Goku doesnt have time to gather all the balls, and doesnt have time to make a wish. Also, everybody knows how much he loves a fight, and how its often his downfall.
Goku using the Genki Dama. No. Goku doesnt have time to summon one up because of Superman's speed. Besides, the Spirit Bomb doesnt work on those pure of heart.
Superman doesnt know martial arts. Wrong. Superman knows many forms of martial arts, and how to neutralize them, and he has thousands of years of combat experience.
Goku wins because he is cooler. Wrong. Nobody cares who you think is "cool." Thats both subjective and irrelevant to this fight, as a good friend of mine pointed out. Also, Superman has been around longer, is more recognizable, and is even more popular in Japan than Goku.
Not only can SSJ4 Goku not take the strongest incarnation of Superman (Prime), or the second strongest (Pre-Crisis), now I say that he cant take the THIRD strongest, our modern Post-Crisis Superman. Ive already talked about how our Superman has flown through the sun twice, can lift 43 billion tons, survived being injected with liquid K, and stopped the Omega Effect with his heat vision. Well, take this on for size.
Goku CANNOT beat Post-Crisis Superman:
In Superman Man of Steel #66, he once again acted as an effective shield, protecting cities around the world by blocking numerous "atom-smashing" force beams with his body. At one point he had 6 such beams trained on him simultaneously.
In Adventures of Superman #581, Superman allowed Adversary, a powerful magical foe, to hit him as hard as he could, without retaliation. Superman was literally punched halfway across the planet- from Metropolis, he literally landed in China- without any injury or loss of consciousness
But forget about being punched across the planet to China, how about through the planet to China? In Superman #181, Superman and Bizarro (his magically-created, brain damaged, "imperfect" duplicate) switched bodies. Superman (in Bizarro's body) punched Bizarro (in Superman's body) completely through the Earth and out the other end. Bizarro (in Superman's body) was slammed in through the ground in Metropolis and came out two panels later in China. He was shown ripping straight through the Earth?s crust, mantle, and core, and coming out on the other side of the planet. Superman's body was fully conscious and completely unharmed by the blow (Bizarro was smiling as usual).
In Man of Tomorrow #13, Superman harmlessly shrugged off a blast from Orion's Astro-Harness that blasted him across the planet from the North Pole to India.
Action Comics # 762: Superman harmlessly shrugged off a blow from the magical demon Etrigan. The blow actually knocked Superman from Earth's surface all the way to the moon (239,000 miles), a distance that is about 10 times the diameter of the Earth. Superman was virtually unfazed. In this issue he also shrugged off magical demon-fire (which he did previously in Action #589), and his super-lungs harmlessly inhaled the demon's magical gases.
In Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey, Superman survived, at ground zero, a blast equal to "a million nuclear bombs" (according to the energy being Waverider). The explosion was caused by the destruction of the power generator for the entire planet of Calaton; the energy was drawn from the planetary core. Superman did not suffer any physical damage, but was momentarily rendered inert, and stated that he felt concussed. He then got up and boxed a little more with Doomsday, who also survived the blast.
In Adventures of Superman #478, as part of the Time and Time Again storyline, Superman survived- without so much as batting an eye- the nuclear destruction of the entire moon in the year 2995. The moon had been lined with sufficient nuclear devices to disintegrate it in one shot. When the moon was obliterated, Superman was actually within the moon (structures had been built beneath the surface of the moon). He did not suffer any harm and did not lose consciousness.
Superman's ability to survive immersion in the sun is well documented by now. In Adventures of Superman #480, Superman survived immersion in the sun for the first time, but with great difficulty. This was actually a RED sun at the time, due to the Eradicator's interference. In both the Superman: Last God of Krypton one shot and Superman Man of Steel #50, Superman survived immersion in the outer layers of the Earth's yellow sun enjoyably, received extra power from the sun, and effortlessly escaped the sun?s gravitational pull. Furthermore, in both Action Comics # 782 and Superman Man of Steel #64, Superman survived the core of the sun without any problems. The pressure at the core of the sun is equal to 250 billion Earth atmospheres.
In JLA #41, Superman absorbed the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device capable, at the minimum, of vaporizing half a galaxy. Writer Grant Morrison intended Mageddon to be "the primordial annihilator" capable of literally destroying everything. Visibly distressed by the absorption, Superman still suffered no harm whatsoever, and even smiled afterwards.
Man of Steel #30: Standing on Earth's surface, Superman punched Lobo into orbit and beyond with one uppercut.
Adventure of Superman #473: From Earth, Superman threw an alien space craft clear of Earth?s gravity and into outer space. This craft was larger than an aircraft carrier and over a mile long (a typical aircraft carrier is about a 1/4 of a mile long and weighs about 100,000 tons, so this ship was about 4x that size)
Several events show Superman as a moon-mover. In JLA # 7, as Electro-Superman, he halted the fall of the Moon towards Earth (caused by Neron's magical machinations), then moved the Moon back its proper position in orbit. He later commented that he's more powerful as "regular" Superman. Writer Grant Morrison and artist Howard Porter had originally intended the moon-moving event in JLA #7 be done by "regular" Superman , but DC forced them to use Electro-Supes. This event is butressed by several more. In JLA: The Century War, ancient "alchemical engines" were causing the moon to fall towards the Earth. Superman and Green Lantern took turns holding the moon back against the "geometrically increasing force" that was causing it to fall. Superman got the last "moon-bracing" shift. In Superman Man of Steel #30, Superman grabbed, easily broke the forward movement of, and easily threw in the opposite direction, a space ship the size of a small moon. In JLA # 58, Superman , Wonder Woman and Green Lantern collaborated to tow Earth's moon a distance of 238,900 miles in mere seconds, indicating a fantastic acceleration, and then pulled the moon out of Earth's gravity (which increases its weight tremendously). As he is universally regarded as the JLA's most powerful member, I'm inclined to give Superman more than one-third, and - conservatively - about one-half, the work effort. In the Lex 2000 special, with a single strike, Superman split one of Saturn's moons in half. Saturn's moons are small moons.
Action Comics #782: After emerging from the sun energized, Superman physically pushed WarWorld, (a small, Pluto-sized planet) across the solar system and into a boom tube. WarWorld did engage a "full throttle countermeasure" in resistance Superman?s push. We can see WarWorld's engines (which encompass nearly an entire hemisphere of WarWorld's surface) firing in resistance, to no avail. WarWorld's engines allow WarWorld to travel at faster than light speeds through space, so they generate the power to accelerate a planet beyond light speed. "How is he moving my planet! The Kryptonian does not have that power!" Braniac's disbelief is reasonable since WarWorld's engines had no shortage of power ; WarWorld had just pirated the energy of Imperiex - energy gleaned from the devouring of many galaxies. (Hence Imperiex's reputation as the "Devourer of Galaxies.") Please note that Superman was energized beyond his usual power levels at this time.
Action Comics Annual #7: Fighting in space, Superman successfully resisted the pull from a black hole that had opened up directly below (inches from) his feet. The miniature black hole had been induced by advanced alien (Ht'ros) war technology.
Superman #13: Flew around the equator in a matter of seconds, indicating a speed of well over 1,000,000 mph, or roughly 1350 times the speed of sound.
Man of Steel #110: Standing in one spot, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body invisible.
Superman #175: Taking another speed trick from the Flash?s book of tricks, Superman used his super speed to vibrate his body intangible, thus allowing Doomsday's punches and fire-breath to pass harmlessly through him. A body moving at light speed within an atmosphere will become intangible (that's how the Flash does it).
Return of Superman: Superman used his speed to vibrate his arm so fast, it shattered the Cyborg?s body into hundreds of fragments.
After racing the Man of Steel, Impulse stated that Superman travels at 99% of the speed of light.
War of the Gods #4: Superman actually out-raced an energy beam to its target. In JLA: Heavens Ladder, it is stated that Superman can race a photon to its target.
Lex 2000 special: Superman made the trip from Earth to Saturn in well under 4 minutes. By comparison, light takes about 19 minutes to make this trip. He was pissed at the time.
Superman #167: His power waning under a red sun, Superman still summoned enough heat vision to successfully power Jor-El's planet-moving ion engines. The planet in this case had a mass 16 times that of Earth's.
Superman's heat vision has a maximum range of at least 239,000 miles (the distance from the Earth to the Moon). In Superman #101, he let out a beam from Earth's surface that scorched the surface of the moon; In Man of Steel #112, he shot a beam that bounced off the surface of the moon. Krypto did, too.
In John Byrne's Man of Steel revamp, it was shown that Superman's microscopic vision can see on the subcellular level, as he analyzed Bizarro?s cellular structure; and even on the molecular level, as he analyzed the molecular composition of Magpie's acid-gas.
In the JLA: Earth 2 graphic novel, the Martian Manhunter and Superman mulled over the abnormalities at "every eighth angstrom" in the DNA of the anti-matter Earth's version of Lex Luthor. An angstrom is about the size of a large atom.
Superman #152: Superman's telescopic vision allowed him to peer across the galaxy to WarWorld.
In Man of Steel #121, Superman's super-hearing allowed him to pinpoint a single person in a city of 11 million based on such distinctive sounds as the rustle of that person's clothing and the sound of their heartbeat.
Soul Search: Fighting alone in Hell (literally), Superman single-handedly defeated Blaze, a death goddess, in her own realm. This had never been accomplished before by anyone; Blaze has magical control over the very reality of her realm. The attacks that Superman fought off included magical transmutation into a demon, which he shook off through sheer willpower ; magical energy blasts from Blaze ; a magical spell that encased him in stone, which he subsequently shattered; and immersion in the lava lakes of this magical dimension.
Alone against the Daxamite Lar Gand, (Daxamites are the genetic cousins to, but reputed to be more powerful than, Kryptonians), Superman soundly KO'd Lar, despite the fact that Superman was operating on empty lungs on the airless surface of the moon (Lar had air in his lungs however).
Action Comics Annual #7: Alone, Superman twice defeated alien armadas, each capable of destroying a planet.
Superman #153: Superman became the first being ever in the history of the Universe to defeat an Imperiex probe. He used a combination of super speed and super strength to destroy an Imperiex space construct ; said construct was capable of annihilating our solar system. Note that Superman took a blast from Imperiex, the beam aforementioned as being able to vaporize a solar system.
More On Kal-El's Durability.Thanks to Jak Sacul
Adventures of Superman #477: survives being at ground zero of an imploding sun-eater, followed by a plummet to Earth. KO'd; otherwise OK afterwards.
Adventures of Superman #478: survives the nuclear obliteration of the Earth's moon )in the 31st century, IIRC) without batting an eye.
Adventures #480: takes a dive into the outer layers of a red sun.
Man of Steel #64, Action Comics #782: goes into the core of a yellow sun.
Action Comics #696: takes a trip through a cosmic wormhole.
Hunter/Prey #3: weathers ground zero of the supposed "million nukes" blast on Calaton.
JLA/JSA Virtue/Vice: Goes through a black hole. Not sure if Sentinel protected him or not - it's not clear from the story.
Superman #9: weathers ground zero of a 40 megaton nuke followed by a fall to Earth from outer space. KO'd for a half hour, OK afterwards.
Superman for All Seasons #1 and Trinity #1: impressively endures ground zero nukes without loss of consciousness or injury.
Superman/Fantastic Four: the disputed "adamantium cutting lasers" event.
JLA: Created Equal #2: goes through a black hole (out of continuity).
Adventures of Superman #595: impressively resists Darkseid's Omega Beams.
Superman #181: Takes a punch from the magically created Bizarro creature which slams him clear through the Earth, in the ground through Metropolis, through the curst mantle and core and out through China. No injury or loss of consciousness. Smiles afterwards.
Man of Steel #127: takes an island-destroying nuke while sitting in Kryptonite-laced sand. No injury or loss of consciousness.
War of the Gods #4: blocks a magical beam capable of destroying an island (Paradise Island). Fails to completely mitigate the blast's effect - one person dies. Apparently briefly KO'd or at least in great pain as a result; otherwise OK at issue's end.
Adventures #581: takes a punch from a magical being that knocks him clear from Metropolis to China. No injury or loss of consciousness. Says "ouch".
Action #762: takes a punch from Etrigan the Demon that sends him from Metropolis to the Moon. No injury or loss of consciousness. Says "unff."
Trial of Superman (don't know the issues): survives various planet-powered particle beams from the Cyborg, one of which was said by the Cyborg to be capable of levelling a city. ("Believe me, I'd know" spake the Cyborg.)
Need I remind everyone that this is almost the weakest canon version of Superman we've ever seen? "
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Mael-Num 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 17:42:32 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Thu Dec 1 2005 17:47:17
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------This post is so riddled with logical and factual flaws, it's laughable. Just a few:
"The Flash can run over 8 times the speed of light, and Superman barely lost to him in a footrace. That means that Superman can move at around 7.7 times the speed of light. Goku's instant transmission is only 99% speed of light."
The Flash could not run at "over 8 times the speed of light" back at the time when they were racing. That's a later version of the Flash.
Goku's instant trasmission works at infinite speed, thus it is instant. We see Goku moving between solar systems, galaxies, and even dimensions with no appreciable lapse of time using this power on many occasions.
"Superman's heat vision has a maximum range of at least 239,000 miles (the distance from the Earth to the Moon). In Superman #101, he let out a beam from Earth's surface that scorched the surface of the moon; In Man of Steel #112, he shot a beam that bounced off the surface of the moon. Krypto did, too."
Scorched the moon? Pitiful. Piccolo, the first season of Dragonball, threw a ki attack at the moon that completely destroyed it. Piccolo wasn't even winded in doing this. It's well established in the canon that Goku at the point of his return to earth is many times more powerful than Piccolo was at that moment. Goku has also thrown energy blasts that have driven opponents into the sun, which is orders of magnitude more distance than that between the earth and the moon.
"In Superman/Doomsday: Hunter/Prey, Superman survived, at ground zero, a blast equal to "a million nuclear bombs" (according to the energy being Waverider). The explosion was caused by the destruction of the power generator for the entire planet of Calaton; the energy was drawn from the planetary core. Superman did not suffer any physical damage, but was momentarily rendered inert, and stated that he felt concussed. He then got up and boxed a little more with Doomsday, who also survived the blast."
First, we have no way of knowing what yield of nuclear bomb this is even referring to. Second, this is likely hyperbole in the part of that character. If such a powerful blast went off (measured in thousands of teratons or more) it would have blown a massive portion of the planet off, throwing ejecta into space (including the combatants, or at least Doomsday because he can't fly to counteract this), altering the atmosphere, creating a cloud of dust that one would be unable to even see through, etc. As we do not witness these events, we can only conclude that Waverider was mistaken.
"In JLA #41, Superman absorbed the energy of the Mageddon Warhead, a device capable, at the minimum, of vaporizing half a galaxy. Writer Grant Morrison intended Mageddon to be "the primordial annihilator" capable of literally destroying everything. Visibly distressed by the absorption, Superman still suffered no harm whatsoever, and even smiled afterwards."
Clearly this calls into question, again, of whether this is a case of hyperbole or fact. The Laws of Thermodynamics show us that energy cannot be created or destroyed, but merely changes form. Given that Superman had absorbed enough energy to "vaporize half a galaxy", what did he do with it? Eventually, he had to bleed it off at a rate that would be significant enough to get the job done...so why didn't it destroy half the galaxy then? Or at least a solar system or two? Or maybe just half a planet? Maybe none of those things happened because Superman absorbed far less energy than the original author is claiming. Given the facts, it's the only logical conclusion.
"Superman #9: weathers ground zero of a 40 megaton nuke followed by a fall to Earth from outer space. KO'd for a half hour, OK afterwards."
"Man of Steel #127: takes an island-destroying nuke while sitting in Kryptonite-laced sand. No injury or loss of consciousness."
So, either Superman can shrug off yields of thousands of teratons and hundreds of megatons while sitting arse-deep in kryptonite, or a mere 40 megaton nuke will knock him silly. Take your pick!
"Superman #153: Superman became the first being ever in the history of the Universe to defeat an Imperiex probe. He used a combination of super speed and super strength to destroy an Imperiex space construct ; said construct was capable of annihilating our solar system. Note that Superman took a blast from Imperiex, the beam aforementioned as being able to vaporize a solar system."
The probe was said to be able to destroy a solar system. It wasn't said that every single beam ever put out by an Imperiex probe would always destroy a solar system. To even imply this is a little dishonest.
"In Man of Steel #121, Superman's super-hearing allowed him to pinpoint a single person in a city of 11 million based on such distinctive sounds as the rustle of that person's clothing and the sound of their heartbeat."
And yet in countless other stories, Superman loses sight of people all the time. If he's so very sharp, why does this ever happen?
"Superman is impervious to ki attacks. There are ki users in the DCU, and they do not affect Superman."
How droll. This is along the lines of the oft-disproved "ships in Star Trek are immune to lasers" logic (the "Outrageous Okona" argument...disproved by later examples, such as the Borg cutting lasers). Yes, I'm sure Superman can shrug off the puny attacks of his fellow DC-universe characters, but Goku's attacks are more than capable of blowing apart planets. In fact, during the Cell games, his friends are worried that he is going to launch an attack downward at his opponent. They recognize that, if Goku misses, everyone will be destroyed, even if Goku pulls back at the last moment. Even if Goku pulls his punches, it wouldn't matter...everyone on the entire planet would unquestionably die. No one says that about Superman's eye beams...and yet they burn the hell out of Kryptonians as shown in the comics. They aren't even close to the same level of power. Getting back to this logically flawed argument, yes, Superman can resist ki attacks up to a point, just as he can resist fists and guns and bombs up to a point. More energy, however, is simply more energy. He can resist the energy of a punch thrown by you or I, but if he's punched by Doomsday, for example, he'll definitely feel it. Goku's ki attacks would turn Supes into ash.
I would go on, but this person's logic is too annoying for me to continue reading it. It's not even internally consistant (the 1000 teraton/40 megaton part made me literally laugh out loud). Goku wins...it's not even close, so just deal.
Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - khantrol 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 17:52:25 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Thu Dec 1 2005 18:02:12
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well, based on all of that (the copy and pasted post above yours), the only beings who would stand a chance would be someone with god-like powers. What are your thoughts on Thanos, in possession of the Infinity Gauntlet, defeating Superman. Surely, you don't think that Superman could defeat Thanos at maximum power?
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - Mael-Num 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 17:55:40 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Whoever authored that copy-pasted article is clearly enough of a dishonest Superman fanboy that he would rate Superman as not only being able to take down Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet, but the Beyonder and God himself...even if they were teamed up.
But logic and the facts at hand show that any of the above (or even Goku) would crush Superman.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - nashenders 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 17:58:17 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.electricferret.com/fights/issue_156.htm
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - khantrol 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 18:08:18 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I'm really getting into the Thanos thing, now that I think about it. There's no way Superman could defeat Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet (well, I mean any creative writer can have anybody beat anybody else . . . but generally speaking, Superman would be turned to ash).
Mael-Num -- thanks for the logical retort. nashenders -- thanks for the link; I'm checking it out now.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - Mael-Num 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 18:14:27 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Good stuff! I liked this guy's summary:
"Imagine a big country guy with a somewhat good fighting abiity with some enhanced senses and heat vision. Now put him against Bruce Lee with massive energy attacks and teleportation."
As Stan puts it, 'nuff said.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - nashenders 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 18:17:40 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/182/8/c/SvGp01_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/182/e/9/SvGp02_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/182/9/b/SvGp03_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/182/e/0/SvGp04_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/182/d/1/SvGp05_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/182/f/2/SvGp06_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/183/9/7/SvGp07_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/183/d/3/SvGp08_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/183/b/1/SvGp09_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/183/d/b/SvGp10_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/183/a/7/SvGp11_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/183/f/9/SvGp12_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/183/2/9/SvGp13_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/183/f/8/SvGp14_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/183/8/1/SvGp15_english.jpg http://images3.deviantart.com/i/2004/183/6/d/SvGp16.jpg
P.S. - Superman may not be able to beat Thanos (with or without the Infinity Gauntlet), but Superman Prime would give Thanos a good run for his money.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - Mael-Num 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 18:30:23 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------My pleasure. I'm one of the most retorted posters around!
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - khantrol 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 18:31:03 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Awww, man, that was effin AWESOME!!!!
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - Mael-Num 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 18:41:07 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Thu Dec 1 2005 19:19:01
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------That was pretty cool...but it's just one artist's opinion. Still, it was fun to read, and some great artwork. Thanks!
Well, now that I think about it, Goku lying about destroying Metropolis is totally out of character for him. Goku's completely pure of heart. He makes Superman look like a jerk by comparison. Actually, Superman's pretty much a jerk anyways http://www.nationallampoon.com/supermanisadick/. So between that, the outcome, and that big nose, I'm convinced that this is just some imposter.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - Mael-Num 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 18:49:51 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here's one...
http://www.misterpoll.com/results.mpl?id=87453837
Looks like it's Goku, 3 to 1!
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - doctordoom85 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 20:55:57 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------This is as pointless as Freddy vs. Jason. They would keep coming back to life and fighting.
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Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - Mael-Num 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 21:47:02 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Nah, there would definitely be a conclusion...
http://www.powow.com/skiller/sucks/gokusuperman.html
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - doctordoom85 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 22:19:01 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------And then Superman comes back to life. Round two. The fight would never end.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - DrivingOverMissDaisy 6 days ago (Thu Dec 1 2005 22:21:25 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Totally dug it Nash. Very fun read with very energetic artwork that was very clean and crisp. And well written, I must say. Being surrounded by a lot of Dragon Ball Z fans, I can understand it'd be a hellova fight, but I really don't see Goku winning. But like the other guy said, it's really just an artist's take (and up to the writer).
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Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin 5 days ago (Fri Dec 2 2005 15:37:40 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Now I agrree that Goku would win(it was what I had originally argued), however......
Goku's instant transmission does not work at infinite speed. Sure, it is far faster than what Superman is capable of[proven in that the distance to Namek is stated{which would take far longer for a normal craft to get to, than to Jupiter, which Supes happens to take 4 minutes going to), and that Goku made it there is one second], but it's not infinite. We take into account that Super 17 was able to dodge this supposed infinite speed through the use of heightened hearing, though he was not nearly as fast.
I'm not fully familiar with the comic itself, but unless the beam was weakened(or not up to it's best potential), you'd just be grasping.
As for my true opinion of the fight, Goku has the advantage of speed, unpredicatability, and true battle experience(not just the bash each others brains style of fighting). Goku beats Superman in speed, because of instant transmission. Super 17's technique just can't be taken into account here, due to all the other times Superman's hearing was irrelevant. Goku beats Superman in unpredictability, because he is usually able to manipulate his opponents fighting style, or just copy it(mainly in db and dbgt). So if Superman tried to pull his intangibility technique, Goku would pick up, and do the same. If the man can grow six limbs or create ubiquitous after images of himself(after seeing someone else do it ONCE), he shouldn't really have much of a problem. Goku beats him in true battle experience, because he takes great pride in every aspect of his fights. So he is more than likely, to know what to do. Superman only tops Goku in strength, but we all know strength alone doesn't make a difference.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Mael-Num 5 days ago (Fri Dec 2 2005 19:14:37 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Goku's instant transmission does not work at infinite speed. Sure, it is far faster than what Superman is capable of[proven in that the distance to Namek is stated{which would take far longer for a normal craft to get to, than to Jupiter, which Supes happens to take 4 minutes going to), and that Goku made it there is one second], but it's not infinite. We take into account that Super 17 was able to dodge this supposed infinite speed through the use of heightened hearing, though he was not nearly as fast. "
How do you figure Superman could have made the distance from Earth to Namek in 4 minutes? He's nowhere's near that fast.
And what's Super 17? That's GT...GT's not canon.
"I'm not fully familiar with the comic itself, but unless the beam was weakened(or not up to it's best potential), you'd just be grasping."
No, that's the only logical conclusion possible. Let's try this another way... 'A World War II era destroyer carries enough ordinance to level a city'
Does that mean that every shot fired from its .50 caliber guns could destroy a city? Hell no...so why wouldn't you apply that same critical analysis to the Imperiax probe?
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Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - flowtrix 5 days ago (Fri Dec 2 2005 21:30:27 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I've grown up with Dragonball from DB to DBGT and have been reading Superman since 1990 but of course I know the previous stories. I love Goku and Superman...but Goku would tear any version of Supes you pick to shreds in an instant. At power level 25,000 Goku had a blast that countered Vegetas Galic Gun which was going to destroy the Earth. Hell, Master Roshi destroyed the moon in 5 seconds at a power level less than 1,000. Brolly a mere USSJ2 destroyed the southern galaxy in like 2 seconds. SSJ4 goku has a power level of probably 1,000,000,000. He can eviscerate anything in creation in an instant. He dominates the Kai's of the universe like its a joke. Supes has a whole list of cool things he's done....but he's not even close to the same leauge as Goku. And who knows how strong Goku is (not just physically or ki wise but probably has insane MAGIC powers now...probably has the wisdom of the universe too) with the dragonballs absorbed. AT LEAST himself plus the strength of Sin Shenron, but definitely way way way more. But forget that....SSJ4 Goku would be more than enough.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . .* by - elessar3502 5 days ago (Fri Dec 2 2005 23:48:09 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Fri Dec 2 2005 23:48:35
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I seem to recall a wizard issue a few years ago that did a east vs west thing, and Goku destroyed Superman
"...the hell I send him to will seem like heaven after what I've done to him" - Marv
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin 5 days ago (Sat Dec 3 2005 07:53:04 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------How do you figure Superman could have made the distance from Earth to Namek in 4 minutes? He's nowhere's near that fast.
No, I said Superman could get to Jupiter in 4 minutes. Projecting the actual distance it would take a normal earth craft to travel there, it would take over 20 years. In DBZ, it is stated that it takes over 400 years for a normal earth craft to get to Namek. If it takes Superman 4 minutes to get to Jupiter, but takes Goku one second to get to Namek(as he did in the Cell Saga), who do you think is faster?
As for GT, I don't see how it's not. It didn't have a manga, but it was ok'd by toriyama. He even worked on the character designs.
Oh okay, I get yah.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - flowtrix 5 days ago (Sat Dec 3 2005 12:41:00 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Nappa, a low-level (5,000) nobody had the entire nation's military fire on him, bullets,bombs,missles, etc...and he was left unscathed and unharmed. Then he wiped out the fleet instantly. Goku then ate him for breakfast, and over the course of the next 20 or so years, increased his strength by about 1,000,000 times what it was then.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . .* by - rashadz3 4 days ago (Sat Dec 3 2005 13:42:18 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Goku could whoop post-crisis Superman's ass by just turning ss. But I don't think he could fight pre-crisis until he absorbs the dragonballs. Now, I am a dragonball freak, but I'm not being biasis this is what I think. And even if Goku could not beat Superman I can name MANY people who would make even pre-crisis Superman their bitch. Superman is not unstoppable, there are more powerful warriors out there.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . .* by - khantrol 4 days ago (Sat Dec 3 2005 20:52:02 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Awww, c'mon, rashadz3, you can't make a statement like that on these boards without providing the proof -- name some of these warriors of which you speak (aside from the aforementioned THANOS whom I cited in an earlier post in this thread).
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . .* by - doctordoom85 4 days ago (Sat Dec 3 2005 21:20:40 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Aren't Imperiex, Dark Phoenix, Parallex, Trigon, Onslaught, Galactus and Anti-Moniter all more powerful than Superman?
Of course, a few of those are from Marvel, but still.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . .* by - rashadz3 4 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 01:05:35 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Have you ever watched Saint Seiya? I bet some of those guys could whoop superman. I'm not trying to dis Superman fans, but it's time for them to face the facts that Superman is NOT the most powerful being. Even the weakest guys from Saint Seiya could go head to head with Pre-crisis Superman and all those you mentioned could beat supes too doctordoom.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - gfxahmad 4 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 03:11:59 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------ok, where can i download "Kingdom Come"? can someone give me a link for a torrent or sth??
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - aaronprice04 4 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 07:38:28 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Every battle I have seen of that Goku in a fight the other guy has always managed to draw blood on Goku.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Mael-Num 3 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 13:17:27 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------That's mostly because Toriyama likes a little blood. It heightens the tension.
It also means that those guys Goku's fighting would probably beat Superman into paste.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - Mael-Num 3 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 13:18:59 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Not unless his daddy is having a heart attack at that exact moment.
As opposed to Goku, who's on a first-name basis with every guardian of the hereafter. Face it, even in death, Goku has the upper hand!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 3 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 13:27:25 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yeah, I mean how would Superman defeat Majun Buu? He regenerates from everything. It took a huge power blast (Spirit Bomb)to finally destroy Buu, and Superman's heat vision isn't that powerful.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - jsmuli2 3 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 13:39:57 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dude, it's already been written before by the writers at Wizard.
The story basically goes like this:
Goku is searching for a dragonball when he teleports to another Universe. Superman catches wind of this via super senses and confronts Goku. Goku, a little jumpy, thinks Superman is the guardian of the Dragonball and the only way to get it is to defeat Superman. Goku go full out nuts on him. Supes is taking the beating and it is hurting him like no other. Eventually, Superman manages to pick up on the pattern of Goku's teleporting maneuver. He sees where Goku is going to move by zeroing in on particles that move a weird way. Superman reads and times it perfectly and gets in a great shot on Goku. Goku a little dizzy teleports out of the universe. Superman thinks about the strange visitor then falls to the earth needing immediate medical attention.
I didnt make this up, I think i got the jist of it. Every issue of Wizard has those little crossover battles, and this was one of them.
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Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - jsmuli2 3 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 13:48:05 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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Wow dude, did u make this urself or what? That's incredible stuff, though Goku wouldn't break under the "thin atmosphere" Sai-jins can dont have to breathe in space.
All in all that is amazing stuff.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - rashadz3 3 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 17:26:34 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------The fact is, the saiyans could whoop post-crisis superman after the Frieza saga. As for pre-crisis I imagine it would take a ss3 to defeat him or maybe even a ss4.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 3 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 18:09:11 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Probably SSJ 4. Remember, Goku or Gotenks couldn't remain in SSJ 3 for very long.
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Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - khantrol 3 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 18:19:26 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------From - jsmuli2 on Sun Dec 4 2005 13:39:57 Dude, it's already been written before by the writers at Wizard.
WIZARD isn't the definitive answer on all things comic/fantasy related -- others have opinions, too.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - rashadz3 3 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 18:59:07 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I think Goku could only hold ss3 for 30 min and for Gotenks it was even shorter since he was s fused character so you have a point there.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - jsmuli2 3 days ago (Sun Dec 4 2005 21:40:21 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------hahahahaha
i know that wizard isnt the definitive answer but they base it off of the two universes and whose got what abilites...come on , u know goku would win...that is if you even know who Goku is...if not, then more support with the supes outcome
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - CyberVerm 3 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 09:44:04 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Wizard sucks people, they are completly biased, if you are going by powers alone, Goku has never had as much power as Superman Pre Crisis or Superman Prime has, even when merged with Vegeta, goku may be able to blow up galaxies and what not but Superman once actualy flew all around the universe and back in a matter of seconds, Goku cannot do that with or without his teleportation.
Not to mention Superman at his Superman Prime point is absolutely invlunerable even to kryptonite now and Goku can get the flu and die.
Also goku needs to eat or he can die of hunger, Superman doesn't
Did I mention superman is pretty much ageless and immortal? Sure doomsday killed him but he came back to life.
Goku comes back to life more often than a boy gets fondled by micheal jackson but still they grow older and you get the feeling that goku will one day grow old and die.
If it comes to worse, superman can just destroy earth, Goku cannot live in space, Superman can
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - jsmuli2 3 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 10:52:05 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Goku can live in space, look at the Bardock story, Sai-Jins can breathe in space...
sheesh, i love superman as much as the next, but we all know that Goku is way more powerful....WAY more...
just because Goku is immortal doesnt mean he can't beat supes. Maybe someone that powerful shouldnt live forever. ever think of it like that?
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - CyberVerm 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 12:48:21 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------let me put it this way, anything goku has ever shown in the dragon ball series, GT, Manga, even frigging FAN MADE comics has never compared to the crazy riddiculous power the writers gave pre crisis superman, he juggled planets for god's sake, he flew thru the universe in seconds... he sneezed and destroyed a solar system.
it is one of the reasons he was changed and made into what he is now... he was simply too crazy now.
Superman prime is also more powerfull than goku, he is pretty much a god, he created Lois Lane with a bit of her dna.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 12:53:17 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Goku gathers all Dragonballs and wishes that Superman loses all his superpowers. Goku finds him and wins.
Okay, I know that wouldn't be fair, just saying.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 13:40:35 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------sheesh, i love superman as much as the next, but we all know that Goku is way more powerful....WAY more...--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hah when did this happen?
*sigh*
Let me guess another DBZ over obsessed fan thinks all the bright coloured explosions and talk of high power levels means they can automatically beat Superman again? Oh its one of those posts again, sheeeeh not again please lord in heaven can't the "S" man gets some respect on his own message board.
Goku can live in space, look at the Bardock story, Sai-Jins can breathe in space...
For limited times yes in deep deep space, you've never seen a Saiya-jin move around space for long nor would a Saiya-jin be able to fly faster than Superman in space period? More powerful hah, please thats a sick joke if i've ever heard one before.
Superman powers don't need to be compared to Goku's and i wouldn't resort to what wizard magazine said or did neither.
How a 60 plus year old superhero with a hell of alot more adventures in both the comic book page and animated TV shows/movies and live action films; going to be beaten like a dog by a character thats basically 20 years old is nonsense.
I'm surprised the Superman Returns boards allow this much disrespect by naysayers. Want to preach Goku's greatness go to the DBZ boards and quit harassing the Superman character with nonsense as this garbage. Every bloody day Vs threads with "b-level" comic/manga characters supposely beating Superman? Bullsh*t.
Only reason this threads exist to get a reaction of negativity. i don't see any fair points or arguements happening with these crazy lame threads of what if such-and-such Vs Superman? If Superman so weak to your beloved characters have them face evverybody else as well then. Silver surfer face off against Son Goku or have Adam Warlock face Son Goku. oh thats right none of them matter cos you want the top dog.....Superman?
I won't be surprised if you lot do a "Oolong the pig" or "Bulma" Vs Superman next? The rate these threads are going its bound to happen.
ST4
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 13:45:01 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Mon Dec 5 2005 13:45:56
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dude, no need t
― howell huser (chaki), Thursday, 8 December 2005 20:52 (nineteen years ago)
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And don't say I hate Superman. I stood up for him in the Superman vs. Vader argument.
Also, nobody's explained how Superman would deal with Majin Buu.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Sneak_Peek 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 13:47:10 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------oh thats right none of them matter cos you want the top dog.....Superman?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I wouldnt go as far as to say that Superman is the top dog.
A day without sunshine is like, you know, night!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 13:48:41 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------No hate here, i have the DBZ mangas for crying out loud. But i refuse to be bias about it all. I'm just telling it as it is!
This place just has too much disrespect for Superman at the end of the day with all these Vs threads claiming every lame Tom, Dick and Harry can beat Superman. Cynical or not these threads are just so annoying you've gotta vent a little.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 13:50:19 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I wouldnt go as far as to say that Superman is the top dog.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You wouldn't but i would? Less of course you see Son Goku with a symbol as well known as Superman's "S" on his chest.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Sneak_Peek 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 13:53:33 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I have no idea who Goku is, but Superman is not the end all beat all of superheroes...and he certainly isn't the most powerful. Hell, he isn't even the most popular.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - jsmuli2 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 13:59:22 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------yeah actually, im not obsesssed with DBZ I just know how to compare two characters with regards to their strength and ability.
Also, im a friggen comic book nerd obsessed freak...your talking to a guy who loved daredevil even though he knew it sucked...and Fantastic Four on that note...all because they are comicbook movies.
nice assumption though.
BTW im all out psyched for Superman Returns. Just because I think someone can beat Superman doesn't mean I don't like him or his whole exsistence.
Sheesh dude, come on, live a little...good guys dont always win.
Also, when i first read Dark Knight Returns, I went nuts for Batman kicking the crap out of SUpes.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 14:02:18 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Mon Dec 5 2005 14:03:34
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I have no idea who Goku is, but Superman is not the end all beat all of superheroes...and he certainly isn't the most powerful. Hell, he isn't even the most popular.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Neither are the Dragonball Z characters and neither is Batman (just in case somebody decides to bring him up?). Superman may not be, but i think on message board about his upcoming new film he ought to get more respect than all these negative comments losing all the time in these insulting Vs threads.
Less of course you or anyone else here should go to the DBZ boards and spout off and saying Son Goku would lose to Charlie Brown?
Isn't the MOST powerful but More powerful than Son Goku for sure. And i've read alot of both DC comics Superman and the current DBZ mangas so at least i'm not bias in saying planet destroying characters with those high power levels would "OWN" as the lame saying goes and could take Superman on easily like a chump!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 14:18:55 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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One artist take or not, i don't see other artist's take on this scenario's outcome so far?
Neat series none the less!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Sneak_Peek 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 14:24:14 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Like I said before I have no idea who Goku or any DBZ characters are. You have to understand that in a discussion board...you are going to get negative as well as positive comments.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 14:29:36 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------You've never heard of DBZ? Which country are you from? Maybe they only show it in the U.S. and Japan.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Sneak_Peek 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 14:31:37 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I have heard of Dragon Ball Z...I just have never heard of any of the characters before because I dont bother following it.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 14:34:19 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Oh, okay. Gotcha.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - khantrol 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 15:13:58 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Superman may not be, but i think on message board about his upcoming new film he ought to get more respect than all these negative comments losing all the time in these insulting Vs threads.
============================================================================== I created the post because I had a "What If" moment (I didn't know that the topic had been generously covered). Superman is a fictional character, and even if he did exist, I don't think he would mind half as much as you about this post.
The reason a forum exists is so people can post their opinions, thoughts, questions, etc. to it. If you don't like the thread, don't read it and don't post to it. Obviously, there is still lots of interest in this topic based on the activity. Personally, I like hearing other people's views; it widens my perspective on a thing and allows me to logically re-evaluate my position.
I'm a HUGE Superman fan, but I think the movie is going to suck (I hope I'm wrong) and that Goku would give him a good run in a battle. Of course, I'm going to be there opening night with everybody else; one thing has nothing to do with the other. Also, I had renewed interest in the character after the Doomsday Saga based on the inner turmoil and vulnerability exposed by Doomsday.
As far as dissing Superman on his own forum, I don't give a $h1t about that. He doesn't exit and won't mind. Any of his fans who do are missing the point of why the dialogue was started. It'd be nice if some of the more "Amway Minded" Superman fans out there were more like the hero they claim to idolize. Superman is an intellectual, passive diplomat first and warrior second. He's aggressive only when he has to be.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - CyberVerm 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 15:39:35 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------OK whoever doesnt think Superman is the most popular superhero ever is just dumb
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Sneak_Peek 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 16:31:13 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------OK whoever doesnt think Superman is the most popular superhero ever is just dumb--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Funny...I remember seeing a show on TV that counted down the mot popular heroes and Superman wasnt #1...Spiderman was. Also for a time Captain Marvel was more popular than superman as well. I am sorry, but although Superman has been around longer...he is not the most popular.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 16:55:16 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------That was Bravo, and they put the Incredibles ahead of the Fantastic Four. Nuff said.
Don't get me wrong, the Incredibles was awesome (and the FF movie was so-so) but the comic deserved higher recognition.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 18:07:16 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Mon Dec 5 2005 18:11:26
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I created the post because I had a "What If" moment (I didn't know that the topic had been generously covered). Superman is a fictional character, and even if he did exist, I don't think he would mind half as much as you about this post.
Yeah yeah yadda yadda yadda, nice try about the opinions part as i've seen that kind of excuse thrown out to others on here before, whatever. Plain simple fact is that is just an over used excuse on your part to blast Superman! Fans of Superman wouldn't look down on him as second best or think so onesided putting Son Goku so far ahead of Superman!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------If you don't like the thread, don't read it and don't post to it. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
No, all the more if there is such a thread, a person will give there replies to it, don't get all defensive cos i told it as it is. You started a thread thus its open to critical responces from all kinds of posters, i'm not the only one thats taken a stern approach to replying here to this topic if you can call it that, i see it as another Vs thread that been done before.
There no harm in calling it as i see it.
I may not like the topic but i gave my two cents regardless. You might want to be be man enough to stand there and take it if you say you started the thread for debates right...not for DBZ praising seeing if how many fans on here would side with "Son Goku" and put down Superman as a character?
And i'm right, the board being a "Superman Returns" one ought have a little more "Pro-Superman" threads about the place than "Anti" ones.
That a fact jack, whether you see it or not!
If your a fan lets see a little more praise for the charcater you like rather than a cynical i think SR will suck, but i'm a "S" fan so there.. attitude!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - khantrol 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 18:15:21 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------If you're talking about the FF movie, it was like the comic -- so-so. The best thing about it, also like the comic, was Doctor Doom, who is arguably one of the most well-rounded, complex heros/anti-heros in comicdom. I think he could easily carry his own magazine. The FF never had the depth of characters like Daredevil, Wolverine, or Spiderman. It's primary fan base embraced the simplicity of clearly defined lines between good and bad.
But, getting back to Supes. Superman was the first superhero and has enjoyed longevity which makes him well known (kind of like LLCoolJ in rapping -- he's been around a while), but, although greatly admired, he's not the most popular and hasn't been for a while (kind of LLCoolJ, again). He's probably been in the top 5 - 10 since he was created, though, which is a pretty good.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 18:29:23 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well, I didn't like the movie's representation of Dr. Doom, seemed to make him too two-dimensional when he's such a great villian in the comics. Hopefully the sequel will change this.
I still respect your opinion though. Let's hope FF 2 is awesome.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - CyberVerm 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 19:05:00 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I am not talking popularity as in "who is hot right now"
Of course Spiderman is hotter than supes right now, all the little girls like Tobey, this is not what I mean.
What I mean is, go into some dark tribe in the depths of africa and ask them who peter parker is or spidemran, chances are they wont know, yet ask them, do you know what kryptonite is? they will know that it has something to do with superman, therefore, knowing superman.
Superman is BY FAR the most famous superhero EVER, everybody and I mean EVERYBODY knows who superman is, they may not know he is an alien or he came from krypton or what his powers are but everyone knows his suit and know he can fly, many more people know this than what they know of spidemran.
having said that, Spidey is probably the second or third most famous hero, probably third next to batman.
And captain america, give me a break, we are talking worldwide not USA
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - markedbravo 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 20:26:29 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I don't know anything much about superman and goku but all I can say is superman is very stupid for putting on his pants before his brief!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 20:42:20 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dude, I was just chatting with my friend in Japan, and he had no clue who Superman was. Spiderman is more popular world wide. Just look at the income for the movies.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - tquinlan-1 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 22:27:39 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------You're all missing the obvious point that DBZ sucks, and Superman rules. Besides, Superman would just snap his neck and move on. Game over.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - tquinlan-1 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 22:29:41 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Actually sir, your Japanese friend either doesn't exist (you lied) or he is in a box. Right after the Cross, the Superman shield is the most recognized symbol in the world. Third is the McDonald's arches, I forget forth, and fifth is the Batman emblem. So I beg to differ on Spidey's popularity.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 22:29:48 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Wow, it's attack of the DBZ fanboys and the Superman fanboys.
I like both!! Goku and Superman rule!!
But not as much as Dr. Doom, of course. He he he he....
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 22:31:49 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Batman got 5th and McDonald's got 3rd?!! No fair, that should be switched! Batman saves people, McDonald's makes people fat (though they do have that great $1 menu).
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 22:35:40 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Mon Dec 5 2005 22:40:55
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Wow, baseless accusations on the internet. Why am I not surprised? Believe me or don't believe me, not to mention the fact that Spidey stars in his very own Japanese manga. And I see you ignored my point about the gross of the movies. Nice try, but no prize.
Re: Goku might not but Thanos could . . . by - rkfan28 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 22:40:34 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Saiyans can't survive in space.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 22:43:30 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Spider-man has his own magma?! Is it any good?
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 22:51:57 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.spiderfan.org/comics/manga.html
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 22:55:01 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------That looks cool.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - bradbarron 2 days ago (Mon Dec 5 2005 23:55:32 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Why does everyone have to bring up Goku when it comes to Superman?
Why not Zeus?
-Brad Barron
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Sneak_Peek 2 days ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 03:30:05 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Why can't people accept the fact that Superman is not everything. He is not the strongest hero, he is not the fastest hero, he isn't the most powerful hero, he isnt the most popular hero( although the popularity of heroes does seem to move in cycles ). There are heroes that would wipe the floor with superman. He is a good hero and he is powerful, but he isnt the end all be all of superheroes.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - khantrol 2 days ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 09:00:11 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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I agree. I think the Dr. Doom character has so much potential to be more than the 2D bad-guy cutout represented in the movie. In order to flesh out the character, they'll have to scale back on the other characters screen time (which they won't do). For some reason, Hollywood thinks the more characters on screen the better, but this is not always the case. I'm with you on this one though -- I hope they get it right in the 2nd FF movie.
That's one good thing about Superman; his character is compelling enough that a movie with him it could do well with no villian in it at all. He could be flying around outer space being a universal maintenance man cleaning up galactic debris for all I care, if the story is tight, I'll watch it.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - CyberVerm 2 days ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 11:52:07 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------and McDonalds does rule btw.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 14:13:37 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Tue Dec 6 2005 14:14:06
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------What? No Burgerking supporters! *wink*
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 15:44:29 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well, apparently it doesn't look like Julian McMohan is coming back, but hopefully that won't stop them from recasting Doom (not like they would need to show his face). But this time they need to develop his character more, not just say, "Eh, the guy likes power and causing grief." Plus, let the final fight last longer than two minutes like in the 1st film.
And I agree about Superman, I think Returns sounds like it will explore the character in ways the previous movies haven't. And I'm pretty confident the villian will be great, since we're getting the always awesome Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 15:46:59 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Burger King's good, but White Castle is my favorite!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - rashadz3 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 17:16:10 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well, back to the topic. If we are talking about post-crisis Superman then Goku could whoop his ass because super saiyan Goku is much stronger than post-crisis supes...... end of story. Pre-crisis on the other hand I think a ss4 or maybe even Goku after he absorbs the dragonballs[because he is immortal after this] would be able to fight him if not beat him. Also, I have full confidence that the characters from Saint Seiya could make pre-crisis superman their bitch.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 18:49:50 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Tue Dec 6 2005 18:53:12
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------If we are talking about post-crisis Superman then Goku could whoop his ass because super saiyan Goku is much stronger than post-crisis supes...... end of story. Pre-crisis on the other hand I think a ss4 or maybe even Goku after he absorbs the dragonballs[because he is immortal after this] would be able to fight him if not beat him. Also, I have full confidence that the characters from Saint Seiya could make pre-crisis superman their bitch. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Not according this he ain't!
Sorry to rub it in. but i just love this fan comic. Sure comes in handy if there another of these VS Superman type threads don' ya agree?
*Wink*
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 19:11:52 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------How does it come in handy, when it's one guys opinion? A flawed one, as well. Not even canon. Superman wouldn't kill someone like Goku(even if he had the ability). They'd become friends in the middle of the fight. Also, it's already proven that Goku's kamehameha is more powerful than superman's lazer vision. Just scroll up through the thread. That wouldn't not have even been able to serve as a distraction.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 19:51:02 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Funny how one guy's opinion or company's (i.e. the comics) is used to dis and put down Superman if its a Superman Vs Thor thread? But oh no its can't be used cos Son Goku's ass is handed to him by Superman in a fan artist's comicstrip (and a damn "great" one mind you!!!)
In return i'll say that Goku's Kame-Hame Ha wouldn't kill Post Crisis Superman even if it came from SSL4 Goku at 20 times it's normal strength level with super kaio-ken as an added bonus?! Let alone Pre Crisis Superman. Not even SSL4 Oozaru Goku would beat Superman, beat the crap out of him a hell of a lot yes i agree but not even then would Superman be toast. Superman generally holds back on his true power as well, and doesn't unload on a foe unless they match him in power or goes wayyyyyy above him.
And if not so ultra bias against Superman. Match Goku up against similar Superman type fictional characters and see if Goku would come out on top everytime as you lot claim he would against Superman?
Goku Vs Zod (and Zod wouldn't hold back at the start but Goku would? practically an "evil Superman" with his powers, Zod wins big time!)
Goku Vs Kid Miracle Man? (he has no choice but to kill KMM unless he wants to wind up dead quicker then a batting an eyelid? KMM wins)
Goku Vs Captain Marvel (CM has no vulnerabilites to magic thus Goku calling on the Dragonballs won't help him here? CM wins.)
Goku Vs Thor (I think even Thor would hand Goku his ass on this one. due to raw power and experience)
Goku Vs Preus (Dead Goku. end of story.)
Goku Vs Gladiator (Goku wins)
Goku Vs Silver Surfer (Surfer wins.)
Goku Vs Martian Manhunter (he might think he is fighting Piccolo at first. then finds out he can't beat J'onn cause the martian is reading his mind and knows his next move before he does?)
Goku Vs Bizarro (he might be outmatched in raw power, but even Goku might outsmart and out "think" Bizarro. So he gets lucky here? Goku wins)
Goku Vs Adam Warlock (warlock wins. nuff said)
Goku Vs Miracleman (See *Kid Miracleman)
Goku Vs Hyperion (might be one hell of a long battle but goku might just be able to squeeze out a victory here. Goku wins)
Goku Vs Captain Atom. (Atom's Quantum power might match Goku's high level ki attacks so goku isn't the master of energy attacks here but his fighting style might save him, another close call. Goku wins barely?)
Goku Vs Darkseid. (An evil foe Goku will be surprised that doesn't die from all his attacks outright. Darkseid wins)
Goku Vs Orion (Darkseid's son lives for battle thus goku meets a foe more battle hungry then himself. with mother box along for the ride orion has many advantages. but orion might lack the power needed to win the fight in the end? Goku wins)
Goku Vs Black Adam (see Captain Marvel. And Adam has thousands of years of battle experience and is battle hardend moreso than goku is. Black Adam wins)
Goku Vs Ultraman. (expose Ultraman to anti-kryptonite and he develops more powers than Superman and gets stronger. Goku loses big time again!)
4 out of 17?
And most of these foes can give Superman a major run for his money so please no jokers coming in saying thats a cake walk for Goku please..........
If Son Goku can so own Superman as you DBZ'er claim then comment on those outcomes then.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 20:55:53 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pretty much all the guys you listed lose from obvious weaknesses such as lack of speed, lack of fighting ability, and too self impressed with themselves. Which when you look at it, it's how superman had managed to beat most of them. As for Silver Surfer, at his best, he can destroy a planet. Goku was able to do that in the beginning of the series. Thor is even weaker. Now you tell me if Superman can beat a guy who can constantly reassemble himself even after being hit with attacks powerful enough to shatter galaxies. You tell me if Superman can beat someone who has enough power to break apart the very existance.
I hate it when fanboys come into topics like these, and take it too seriously.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - speckledwolf 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 21:20:06 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------"As for Silver Surfer, at his best, he can destroy a planet. Goku was able to do that in the beginning of the series."
That's the dumbest thing I've read in this thread. Please, Silver Surfer could point a finger then boom = goodbye planet. And as far as speed nobody and I mean NOBODY can match Surfer. Same goes for pure strength, Surfer channels a little of the power cosmic = can lift ANYTHING ( immediately I might add, not standing for 4 episodes charging a spirit bomb) So in conclusion:
Silver Surfer > Goku at any level, time period.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - rashadz3 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 21:51:49 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Superturbo get off this thread cause you don't know your stuff. You actually thought goku could use kaioken in ss4, you're crazy and that's enough to see your knowledge on this is flawed.Despite what you may have SEEN in the comics it is a fact that Superman, realisticly, can only hold 250 tons while goku can hold up to 1,000 tons in ss mode. So I call s hit on your so called argument. And don't try to tell me superman can lift more than that because I've got proof.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 22:30:02 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yes, a planet. Need I remind you of Goku being able to do that in the very beginning of DBZ? Need I remind you that he had beaten an enemy who could destroy a planet with his finger near the beginning? Need I remind you that he beat an enemy who could demolish galaxies in nearly an instant in only the middle of the series? Need I remind you of instant transmission? That's the dumbest reply I've been batted.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - CyberVerm 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 22:37:10 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Need I remind you all that Goku is not on the same league as Superman?
Goku is a Japanese Manga/Anime, he got popular in the american continent a few years back and now is not nearly as popular or known as it is before, Right now Pikachu is more famous than Goku.
Superman is a WORLD Icon, the S Shield is known all over the planet, it goes from Generation to generation, my dad knew superman, his dad knew superman, I know superman and my kids will know superman.
In other words, the name "Goku" has absolutely NOTHING to do in the same sentence with Superman.
If they ever faced each other Supes would just say kneel down and kiss my big flashy gay red boot, I am your daddy, Goku wouldnt have an option but to comply.
And this is the same for Silver Surfer, Thor, Captain Marvel and all those wanabes, as cool as they are, they pale compared to superman, not powerwise but in general, what Superman is, only Batman and Spiderman can hold a candle to him as far as importance in pop culture and in reality, only Batman can, Spiderman was never considered that much of a world Icon until both of the recent movies were huge spectacular blockbuster hits
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - doctordoom85 1 day ago (Tue Dec 6 2005 22:51:25 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Why would Goku care if Superman is world-renowned? So was Hercule, hasn't stopped a few DBZ characters from kicking his butt.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 1 day ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 08:03:58 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Wed Dec 7 2005 08:31:20
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Superturbo get off this thread cause you don't know your stuff. You actually thought goku could use kaioken in ss4, you're crazy and that's enough to see your knowledge on this is flawed.Despite what you may have SEEN in the comics it is a fact that Superman, realisticly, can only hold 250 tons while goku can hold up to 1,000 tons in ss mode. So I call s hit on your so called argument. And don't try to tell me superman can lift more than that because I've got proof. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Shut up, who going to make me leave you? The only person taking this dead seriously is you?
Superman, realisticly, can only hold 250 tons while goku can hold up to 1,000 tons in ss mode. So I call s hit on your so called argument. And don't try to tell me superman can lift more than that because I've got proof.
For that garbage alone YOU should leave? Please 250 really Supes and only lift 250? Where is this stated bub? Maybe YOU want him to lift that much but it ain't so genius. Goku can't lift 1,000 tons in his dreams let alone in any manga or animated episode or movie. 20 tons per arm and leg in the Buu saga perhaps 1,000 tons you wish bub?
For the record Goku can use most of his abilities in combination like most superheroes thus using kaio-ken in SS mode is possible (see the "Afterlife fighters tournament" when Goku fought 'Pikkon' in the anime doofus!!!) at least "MY" facts are correct!
Yeah present your so-called proof and we'll all have a good laugh at how made up it's bound to be.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 1 day ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 08:12:29 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------We could all take a few lessons from CyberVerm post!
Too bad DBZ fans just see characters as powerful monsters who "blow things" up with huge ki's to really give a crap where or not the character is really that any good or has the same level of similar popularity to even match Superman. DBZ fans also think DBZ characters can dominate every other character in existance due to their "planet blowing up" ability (which very few DBZ characters would ever attempt anyways?)
NOT SO. Just deal with it!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - CyberVerm 1 day ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 08:50:16 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yea good point suprturbo.... they allways talk about blowing planets up and galaxies and crap but do they ever do it? I think it happened like... once or twice in the series.....
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - CyberVerm 1 day ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 08:53:31 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------and of course popularity does matter, I remember when I was a kid watching this episode of the thundercats in which Mumra steals the sword of Excalibur (legendary sword, ICONIC sword) so that he can fight Liono with his sword of omens, when they are fighting the swords escape each others hand and start fighting themselves, sword flying around, fighting, Excaliburg vs the Eye of thundera.
Now, Excaliburg does not have any special powers, it simply is the sword of king arthur, while the sword of omens is godlike.
After a hardfought fight, Excaliburg runs thru the eye of thundera and frigging kills every thundercat.....
Why? because it is excaliburg, deal with it
So why would Goku get his ass handed to him? because it is superman, deal with it
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - CyberVerm 1 day ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 08:57:02 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 1 day ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 09:41:15 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Ah Thundercats another popular well loved series which is actually more well remembered today than DBZ. judging by all the T-Cat T-shirts i've seen worn by lots of people walking down the road. And thats a major fact.
I like DBZ, just not all the mindless crap associated with it is all!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - kenny32151 1 day ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 09:45:17 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I read parts of the first two really long posts and i wonder what you people do with your lives?
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - kenny32151 1 day ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 10:17:17 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------I'm glad there's enough people who do things that actually matter. And keep the world rolling so you can read your little picture books.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 1 day ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 11:06:56 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------You say all this yet come here and add your two cents regardless? Hmm think you're any better than the rest of us bub?
Wow a few hours a day of posting online and you think we don't have lives? Wow how original of you to say so. Got anything else so cliched to add... thought not. Glad there are hypocrites like you around, that think they know better than everyone else. Cos then we can see all the "REAL" nerds who deny who they really are?
Yeah you're so special kenny that you posted twice on here, guess elsewhere in the world there must be other people doing worthwhile things cos you and us lot are posting on the IMDB.com right?
Think again!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - nashenders 23 hours ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 13:18:44 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Despite what you may have SEEN in the comics it is a fact that Superman, realisticly, can only hold 250 tons while goku can hold up to 1,000 tons in ss mode. So I call s hit on your so called argument.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You're missing a lot of zeros in there for Superman. Measurable, Superman was recorded to be able to lift 200 quintillion tons. With the help of Wonder Woman and Martian Manhunter, he was able to move Earth out of its orbit. Playing it solo, he can move Earth's moon, as well as the small planet Warworld. This is all post-crisis.
Although I won't say who would win between Superman and Goku (it's fun reading other people's opinion, though), I do think Superman is vastly underrated by most people.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - crurned 22 hours ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 13:49:05 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Best description ever Jeff.
You have been CRURNED!
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Red-Kenshin 20 hours ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 15:59:15 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Wed Dec 7 2005 16:01:31
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Popularity eh? You do realize that according to your logic, Spiderman would school superman, quite easily might I add. No doubt about that. In a popularity match-up, they had him shame Super boy, without difficulty. Starting to miss Mael-Num.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - tquinlan-1 15 hours ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 20:49:38 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------It's hard to tell sarcasm and chiding on the internet, I was just Joshing you. I don't think that you're lying, but I wrote a paper on those symbols. By the way I remembered 4, it's the mickey mouse ears. ANd I know Spidey has a manga, so did Superman and Batman. And I forget what you wrote about the gross. Yeah Spider-Man made a lot, but a Supes movie hasn't been made in like 20 years. So we'll pick this back up in June.
P.S. Thanks for admitting my try was nice, and as for the prize, I already had it, I didn't need you to give it to me.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Blue-Kaoru 15 hours ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 21:18:00 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse UPDATED Wed Dec 7 2005 21:23:33
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------But they had him shame Superboy in a logical common way, ie: webbed his glasses, a tactic Spiderman uses all the time on Doc Oc. It wasn't like he did anything out of the ordinary. He simply fought a an over confident foe and on of his normal tactics worked. The really supriseing thing was that it was Ben Reilly and not Peter Parker.
As to who would win, I say this match up in Wizard a few years ago and I agree with their conclussion. Strength and powerwise (super breath and heat vision vs. Goku's wave) their too close to count, but Goku would win ultimitly due to his ability to instantly trasport himself from place to place and his habit of keeping around a power source (those beans) that can intantly heal him. Given those factors he would wear Superman down and finish him off.
"It's for some stupid, noble reason, isn't it?" HPGW
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - NamelessGunslinger 14 hours ago (Wed Dec 7 2005 21:45:28 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------lol
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - ewhshedinj 12 hours ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 00:04:27 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------"As to who would win, I say this match up in Wizard a few years ago and I agree with their conclussion. Strength and powerwise (super breath and heat vision vs. Goku's wave) their too close to count, but Goku would win ultimitly due to his ability to instantly trasport himself from place to place and his habit of keeping around a power source (those beans) that can intantly heal him. Given those factors he would wear Superman down and finish him off. "
WRONG! Goku cannot move instantly. His I.T. speed is slower than the speed of the Flash, and Superman can keep up with the Flash and see his movements. Therefore he can see Goku's I.T.
In fact, Goku can only keep up with Superman while using I.T., without it he's totally outclassed.
And beans? Goku needs to cheat? How lame. How about this? Goku reaches for his beats and Superman grabs him by the wrist and takes his silly little beans away.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - ewhshedinj 12 hours ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 00:06:18 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------"Playing it solo, he can move Earth's moon, as well as the small planet Warworld. This is all post-crisis."
Keep in mind he has actually been shown destroying a planet, something that Goku has never done.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - BonsaiKitten 11 hours ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 01:39:06 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Awww... c'mon Supes vs. Goku
And the winner is... Superman
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - toadmiller 10 hours ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 02:10:59 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------In the DBZ universe Goku can destroy an entire Solar system. All we've seen Superman do is move a planet. And he had to plunge into the sun to do so. Why'll DBZ annoys the crap out of me I would have to say, based on the powers displayed by Goku and Superman in their respective universes, Goku would win. Wizard seems to think so to.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - ewhshedinj 6 hours ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 06:12:49 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------"In the DBZ universe Goku can destroy an entire Solar system."
Except not really.
"Wizard seems to think so to."
Haha yeah, like Wizard knows what it's talking about.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - crurned 2 hours ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 09:49:27 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Since sups is dead already, I say Goku.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - speckledwolf 2 hours ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 09:53:21 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Silver Surfer >>> Superman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Goku.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - superturbo4 1 hour ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 10:46:16 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------As to who would win, I say this match up in Wizard a few years ago and I agree with their conclussion. Strength and powerwise (super breath and heat vision vs. Goku's wave) their too close to count, but Goku would win ultimitly due to his ability to instantly trasport himself from place to place and his habit of keeping around a power source (those beans) that can intantly heal him. Given those factors he would wear Superman down and finish him off.
Please.... Son Goku wouldn't take a senzu if he is facing a powerful opponent, he and Vegeta both consider that to be dishonorable? Vegeta's pride means everything to him so YOU DBZ fans just know he wouldn't. Far as I.T. goes, hah even in DBGT he couldn't keep up with Shu-Shenron (The "Four Star" Dragonball) with his superspeed nor his 'Instant Translocation technique'.
Superman is second only to the Flash in superspeed department, so please Son Goku at SS1, SS2, SS3 and SS4 would be sweating bullets trying to keep up with Supes on his worse day let alone his best?
Being so fast and strong if Superman saw Son Goku as a real challenge, he'd snatch the senzu beans from Goku and eat them himself? And i find it funny everyone keeps mentioning that Goku can blow up the Earth? "WHY"! Why would he, both he and Superman in their own universes protect the Earth not destroy it! yeah blow up some unnamed planet sure but why does it keep coming down to the Earth all the time? Holding a grudge against our very existance are we?
For the record Kryptonians and Daxmites can survive an explosion of a planet in space? its true, darkseid once controlled the whole population of the planet Daxam? Beings equal to Kryptonians (Superman) under a yellow sun and he had them go on a rampage wiping out planets and conquering the galaxy for him still trying to find that anti-life equation? Now in DBZ in both the Buu saga and DBGT series Piccolo got blown up along with the Earth he loves so much. although not a Saiyan he isn't too far blow a Saiya-jin in terms of powerlevels. Yet is easily killed by being blown up with Earth.
You seriously want us to believe with all the lame talk of My Goku can blow up the solar system so there? that he can beat Superman? Please Superman taken worse. SS Goku (near his SS2 level) got blown to 'Kingdom Come' by Cell in his semi-perfect stage at King Kaio-sama's little planet in the afterlife for Christ's sakes!
Superman is more invulnerable, faster, stronger, and especially smarter than Goku. Goku might hang with him in a fight for a while. But not for long. although i will admit Goku would pull out his own tricks to confound Superman for a while himself. Listen to me, he won't ever OWN Superman got it!
Goku's ki attacks and explosions are like nuclear bombs i agree. Even in his SS4 form they aren't really any different to be honest. But Superman IS....hear me on this. "KNOWN" to survive nuclear assaults and thensome. He survived the explosion that killed many superheroes in "Kingdom Come" although it killed Captain Marvel at point blank range. I'm sure CM fans might say he was in his Billy Batson form when he died though as he kept repeating the magic word shazam over and over, but its still questionable isn't it? Superman however didn't die and was left unhurt and later went on a rampage to take it out on those who sent the bomb to kill the heroes?
Go ahead son Goku and blow up half the solar system. The energy for that "move" will drain you totally. Then Superman will clean house on whats left of you?
Nuff said.
"He is one, we are three, it is the strength of three that will defeat him...together. General Zod"
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Imperiex_Prime 1 hour ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 11:42:51 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Goku is Japanese. Superman is American.
Superman wins.
If you could see behind my glasses, you would see a Superman.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Sneak_Peek 58 minutes ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 11:45:16 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Its amazing that this thread is still going.
Re: Who would win between Goku and Superman? by - Caped_Crusader 50 minutes ago (Thu Dec 8 2005 11:53:12 ) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------What's amazing is that anyone can actually sit through an episode of Dragon Ball Z.
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― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 8 December 2005 20:58 (nineteen years ago)
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 8 December 2005 20:59 (nineteen years ago)
We need these sorts of qualifying statements at the start of every ILC thread.
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"Superturbo get off this thread cause you don't know your stuff. You actually thought goku could use kaioken in ss4, you're crazy and that's enough to see your knowledge on this is flawed.Despite what you may have SEEN in the comics it is a fact that Superman, realisticly, can only hold 250 tons while goku can hold up to 1,000 tons in ss mode. So I call s hit [OUCH! - ed] on your so called argument. And don't try to tell me superman can lift more than that because I've got proof."
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago)
― Obsessing over the unobtainable and nonexistant. (Leee), Thursday, 8 December 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago)
the imdb self-censoring bits are great. I'm adding "*beep*" to like every other post now.
i mean, really; how can you rebut points like this:
Superturbo get off this thread cause you don't know your stuff. You actually thought goku could use kaioken in ss4, you're crazy and that's enough to see your knowledge on this is flawed.Despite what you may have SEEN in the comics it is a fact that Superman, realisticly, can only hold 250 tons while goku can hold up to 1,000 tons in ss mode. So I call s hit on your so called argument. And don't try to tell me superman can lift more than that because I've got proof.
Howard Johnson is right!
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― tom west (thomp), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)
Has Lex Luthor ever tried to destroy the sun?
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)
Why not have Lex Luthor blow up the sun. Please send check ASAP.
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are there seriously things called dragonballs in it? seriously? dragonballs? -- tom west
seriously? -- tom west
'dragonballs'? -- tom west
does superman seriously have an "s" on his chest? seriously? an "s"?
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