i have a question about the current justice society of america

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considering that it's 2006, were they supposed to be active in the '70s or something?

or were they brought forward in time, or something?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

to the best of my abilities:

Okay, the JSA forms in 1941, fight during WW2 (but not IN WW2, since Hitler had the Spear of Destiny and used to make something bad happen to any superfolks who went to Europe--and possibly the South Pacific), then disband in '51 when HUAC tells them to unmask or be branded commies.
After that, things get fuzzy. The JSA title All-Star Comics was revived in 70s (written by Paul Levitz, current Prez of DC), but that was Earth-2, so what the fudge? Shortly (like seconds) after Crisis On Infinite Earths, the JSA was summoned to Ragnarok (aka Limbo) to fight a never-ending battle with Norse deities. This was to explain that, yes, there had once been a JSA, but they were no longer around, because who wants a bunch of oldies mucking about?
Then in the early 90s (maybe 92?) in the SECOND offshoot of the started-off-cool, ended-with-the-suck 1991 crossover event Armageddon 2001, Armageddon Inferno, the JSA was rescued from Ragnarok and resumed active duty.
Their general lack of crotchediness has been attributed to A) having been in a timeless dimension; B) having been exposed to some sort of magic early in their career (via either Ian Karkull or Per Degaton, can't remember which) and C) individual shenanigans like Wildcat having 9 lives and Alan (Golden Age Green Lantern) Scott not actually being human anymore, but having merged with his mystical green energy.
What really throws a wrench into things is that the kids of the JSA (intro'ed in the 1980s Todd MacFarlane star-making Earth-2 spank rag Infinity, Inc.), who are still mostly OG Teen Titans age, which means they were born in the 70s, which means that the JSAers were procreating in THEIR 60s. EWWWW.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 10 February 2006 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

NOOO

so what's up with OG green lantern? did they ever connect him with the guardians of the universe and stuff?

also... wildcat's costume!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah.
Basically (there have actually been a dozen or so reinterpretations and add-ons), OG GL's power comes from The Starheart, which is this piece of rock that the Guardians of the Universe filled with all the "wild magic" (because they're SUPER SCIENCE and hate magic) of the Universe and sent screaming through outerspace.
The merge thing is pretty recent, and is actually only known by Mr. Terrific and Dr. Midnite, who decided not to tell OGL (discovered during the JSA's annual geezer check-up week), because WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF A GL LOST HIS GRIP ON HUMANITY???

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

Who were the JSA kids, tho, & are they even still kicking? Obsidian (Alan Scott's son) went MENTAL in the noo JSA, and either died or retired, and Jade (Alan Scott's daughter) got boned by INFINITE SADFACE.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

- Lyta and Hector Hall were barely alive in the last JSA ish I read. - Atom smasher's in jail
- Power Girl is everywhere these days
- The Star Spangled Kid (Sylvester Pemberton) is pretty dead.
- Northwind is either on Kandaq or six feet under.

i0dine, Friday, 10 February 2006 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

SPOYLORS:

Obsidian came out in the latest ish of Manhunter!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Star Spangled Kid is actually OG Golden Age, he was even created by Jerry Siegel!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 10 February 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but he most definitely was part of Infinity Inc.

i0dine, Friday, 10 February 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

the JSA represents, to me, the biggest prob re: continuity and the "10 years ago" rule (which is to say, Superman and Batman et. al. showed up 10 years before the eternal now).

the first superheroes in the DCU are fixed as appearing during WWII. but everything since is in flux. therefore, if people still care about such things 30, 40, 50 years from now, they will have to say that OGFlash, OGL et al were active during WWII and then like 100 years passed before the current heroic age. Yikes.

But what if the Powers that Be established that the JSA/ASS would debut around conflagrations that would shift forward as necessary: like Viet Nam, or the Gulf War, or I dunno, Iran Contra or the fukkin Falkland Islands or War on Terror? This kinda thinking was present in Marvel: the Lost Generation and something called the Justice Experience in the DCU, I think.

This would likely be resisted, sinced the notion of the JSA is so wedded to the "last good war." But then again, mebbe IC will set things in motion to address this…

veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

and it was indeed something to do with Ian Karkull, established by Rascally Roy in an All Star Squadron annual in like '82 or 83…

veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, veronica, that whole conundrum is pretty much what prompted me to ask

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

also somebody explain me spear of destiny!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

It's a nod (like in the Indiana Jones movies) to Hitler's fascination with mystical artifacts. The S.O.D., I think, was stuck in Jesus and got magic powers (sort of a reverse Spider-Man). In JSA-version, I think that it would make any superhero who set foot in Europe (or flew over it) under Hitler's thrall.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

I think it was something they had to invent to explain why the specter just didn't march into Berlin and smush Adolf w/ his pinky finger.

I deleted half of this cuz of xpost

kenchen, Friday, 10 February 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

which, of course, was Roy's way of explaining why the Spectre or Superman or GL couldn't just waltz over to Europe and take care of Hitler real quick…

veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

OG Daredevil did it though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:DaredevilBattlesHitler.jpg

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

As did Captain America
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Captainamerica1.jpg

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 10 February 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

This is sorta related, and sorta wonderfully disgusting:
http://dcu.smartmemes.com/

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

if the JSA weren't even involved with WWII is weird that they're so wedded to it huh

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

From Huk's link:

Moreover, Johns’ Flash, along with Robin, have both had long stretches of internal continuity that for some time lodged their storylines several months behind the “present day” of many other DCU titles, with implications that make the sequence of recent events extremely complicated to sort out. The upshot is that “current” DCU time compresses to the point where it is now actually running about a year behind the real-world calendar. The flow of events in Flash and Robin even suggests the possibility of accommodating an additional year’s worth of compression, but after diligent comparisons I determined that would distort the internal chronology of far too many other series, causing more complications than it would resolve.

Needs more exclamation points.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sean-walsh.com/comixlibrary/dead.htm

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)


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