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When did you favourite supercharacter jump the shark?

Spidey: the very second Ditko left, lush Romita women or no.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 07:51 (twenty-one years ago)

you are being rockist. The big problem with Ditko is HE CAN'T DRAW. Which is why we must love Romita Sr.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 11:26 (twenty-one years ago)

How is Steve Ditko rockist? All I know is, Spidey was hip, and then he wasn't. I guess that makes me a jazzist or something, but that whole essential coolness went with Ditko, when Pete stopped doing wierd things with his hands.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:33 (twenty-one years ago)

DV is mental. Actually, the Ditko / Romita transition sorta mirrors Peter's transition from awkward wallflower hipster doofus to hot luvin' lantern jawed romance dood. I guess it takes a few years for the wheatcakes to kick in. Is it a COINCIDENCE that the first person to draw Mary Jane's face was, in fact, John Romita? Huh? Huh?

Spider-Man: Somewhere around the wedding, though it took a few years for me to figger that out (all the Carnage / Venom / clone nonsense finally wore me down). He's jumped back since, though.
Wolverine: Around the 47th time he mentioned he's the best there is at what he does, and hey how about my natty skeleton? He's jumped back somewhat since (thanks, GM & GR).

I'm very forgiving, though, so I see character trajectories as a series of shark jumps and shark takebacks, depending.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 12:48 (twenty-one years ago)

You can't "jump back" (actually, comics probably can).

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 13:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The X-books have jumped over the shark so many times, it's ridiculous.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.26pigs.com/superman/jaws.JPG

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Sometimes, the shark jumps you!
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The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, yes.

X-Men: Flirting with Jaws right after JR JR left, then fully airborne somwhere around the Fall of the Mutants (Siege Perilous oink), but smooth sailing with Jim Lee's arrival, then back over another shark when Claremont left (the 1st time), then a BIGGER shark when the Image posse bailed & the Nicieza / Lobdell monster took over, & then it's like a perfectly thrown skipping stone (excepting a nice bit of skiing around the time of Grant Morrison's run, duh). Now, I think they're waiting for someone to move the ramp back for a super duper jump.

Also -
Superman: MULLET MULLET MULLET MULLET MULLET

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 14:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Cyclops: around when X-Factor began its run. What with the Jean and Maddy soap opera, then losing his son to the future, the insecure yet strong-willed leader devolved into a self-doubting whiner. One issue in particular, where he fought the Sentinel Prime remnant (right?), and whined throughout the issue, really did it for me.

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I think comics have embraced the idea of reinvention for so long, and so thoroughly, that we really would have to talk about jumping the shark in different terms, and as something reversible.

(Batman jumped the shark in the 40s, or early 50s at the very latest, but that shark had to have died before the greatness that was to come, and then it ran some shark hurdles for most of the last 20 years, etc.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:48 (twenty-one years ago)

The New Universe: jumped when the universe angle was emphasized and every title had to be tied in to the White Event, with the rest being cancelled; Justice, though, managed to ski around the shark and actually improved.

Deadpool: jumped when Priest left. I know, a lot of people think he jumped before that.

The Defenders: essentially a long, serialized, meandering consideration of the shark.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Gregory: Fat Boy's middle name was Shark.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Not just with regards to the tendency to reinvent or retrofit characters and ideas, but also with regards to the frequency of complete shifts in creative teams, which is almost unheard of in other media.

xxpst

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Gambit: born on the wrong side of the shark; Fabian Nicieza eventually yanks him back to a pre-sharkjump position, but only briefly, as the current is strong, and the shark is seductive.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Batman jumps the shark every 4-6 months depending on who's writing it.

(well, okay, more like going from 'mediocre' to 'pretty decent' and back)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

And when the reinvention isn't unheard of in television, it's usually a shark-jump of its own (isn't revamp one of the JTS categories, even?) -- in comics, it's really gone beyond being a good thing or a bad thing to simply being a thing, with no value independent of its content.

(Stuff for which this is not true: The Crow, Gaiman's Endless, Howard the Duck.)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Superman keeps finding new sharks to jump.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

I think DC's Super-crew annual summits may as well just be called SharkQuests at this point. With a little [tm] there, even.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: jumped around the time of the movie, probably, and certainly had jumped before Kevin Eastman was able to buy the Batmobile. Has it retracted its jump since?

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Tep, did you read any of Gail Simone's Deadpool / Agent X stuff? I never read any 'Pool stuff prior to her run, but I think she did your psycho killer justice.

Punisher: Risks becoming shark bait any time multi-colored spandex (or magical zombie powers?!?!) enters the picture. Or when he gets all Bruce Wayney about his family getting offed.

Up until recently (4-6 months), there were two TMNT titles - one by Peter Laird (published by Mirage, of course), and one written by Peter David for Dreamwave. The PAD title got canned, however.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW, Vic's "No Ditko = leap" formula works perfectly for Dr. Strange (excepting some of the Roy Thomas / Butch Guice run, & the David "I wrote Faust!" Quinn issues).

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I didn't read the Simone Deadpool -- I stopped reading shortly after Palmiotti ... I think I'd had it on my pull list and just didn't get around to removing it, but maybe I should have left it, if Simone was good?

Did the PAD title get canned because they weren't the original turtles but actually lizards who were imbued with turtle ability and had a whole complicated setting and story and mythos worked out that had nothing to do with the original TMNT, even if it was arguably just fine on its own merits? Because I could've seen that coming.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

A really great example: when the Blackhawks all went out and got themselves superpowers.

When I saw this thread title, I thought it was the name of a new supervillain: "You may defeat me, Superman, but trust me - you will never be the same again!"

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

David OTM. Exit Ditko and the Doc becomes a man with very strange-looking thighs and a lank, sweaty cowlick who shoots power bolts out of his palms, but he can't do it unless he can find a rhyme. He gets past this by rhyming 'all-seeing' with 'all-freeing' a lot. If you read the Essential volume you can watch with wonder and annoyance at this transformation.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Was it during or after Ditko that Doc started sleeping with Clea, though?

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Q: When did the New Mutants jump the shark?

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Superman/Batman: issue #4 when it stopped being a dark story about Metallo, future-crazy-Superman, high-political intrigue courtesy President Luthor naming Supes an enemy of the state. Or perhaps #7 when the giant compositie Superman/Batman rocket appeared. And things started feeling more like...
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The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The Clea / Doc luv was after Ditko - just like a sitcom, once the unrequited love is consumated, shit goes downhill. It didn't happen in the Essential volume, I know that much.

New Mutants: After Fall of the Mutants. No more Douglock = no more funny fun. And then with the Inferno shenanigans, and THEN all the Cable / "I'm your son" / "No, wait, my bad" garbage...

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The essential Doc Strange collection is just that. Stone cold classic.

Shark-jumping in comics is completely and utterly reversible, for a lot of reasons pointed out above. Just that some comics choose not to get out of shark-jumped status, and some wholly embrace it (Doom Patrol by John Byrne, fer instance.)

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Maybe a better question would be when your personal shark got jumped. Oo-er missus. I remember the Hulk jump - when I realised he'd been reinvented about three times in a year.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:29 (twenty-one years ago)

One great X-Men shark-jumping moment: Joe Kelly takes the oddest, most misfit group of X-Men ever assembled, forges them into a team and tells genuinely entertaining funny stories, just to have them yanked away and replaced by same-old-same-old Giant Size #1 line with yet-another-where's-Xavier? story, in the process sidelining one of the highest-potential characters of the past 10 years (Cecilia Reyes).

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 20:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Personal sharkjumps:

X-Factor -- I realize that the sheer wonder-level of "what the hell is happening with this?" during the mysterious discovery of the black pod in Avengers/FF, which is soon revealed to be -- bum bum BUM! -- Jean Grey, is much more interesting than the stories which follow.

Avengers -- Roger Stern leaves. Reed and Sue join, despite leaving the FF to have more time as a family. Inferno crossover.

West Coast Avengers -- Exit Englehart. Enter John Howdy Motherfucker Byrne.

Fantastic Four -- I accept that there will never be a good explanation for why Sharon Ventura/Ms Marvel/She-Thing looks exactly like Tarianna from Battleworld, and that if such an explanation eventually comes round, it probably won't be interesting.

(I realize it sounds like I stopped reading all comics at the same time. Actually, this might be when I started reading Vertigo?)

Swamp Thing -- Either around the time of Lady Jane's arrival in the bayous, or when Nancy Collins left and Morrison & Millar came on board. I realize I'm one of the few people who thinks Collins's run was excellent, but there you have it.

What If? -- Volume 2, I think. The first series had its clunkers, but was often brilliant; later series seemed to be aimed more at the shock/nonsense value, or to skew towards "what if this big huge crossover event had been resolved radically differently, and in only 22 pages?!!!"

Ranma 1/2 -- Turns out Girl Ranma and Akane aren't gonna lez it up with Shampoo after all.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 22:09 (twenty-one years ago)

a la Tep:

Fantastic Four - sometime in the middle of John Byrne's run. Can't remember the specifics.

X-Factor - After Walt Simonson and his art left. Bummer.

Swamp Thing - After DC screwed Rick Veitch and binned his "Swampy Meets Jesus" storyline. A host of not so great writers followed, sadly. Never stuck around for Nancy Collins' arc.

X-Men - sometime around issue #200, but like a mook, I held out hope for improvement. For waaaay too long.

Sandman - The Kindly Ones was one arc too many.

Marvel pretty much jumped the shark wholesale in the 90s. Most impressive.

Hellboy, for the record, has yet to even see the shark in the distance. Same with the Goon.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 19 May 2004 23:20 (twenty-one years ago)

The Goon's too young to even be in the water! And fucking A Tep, I hearted Byrne's misanthropic misogynistic WCA run! It's kinda funny, tho, that the guy that Byrne & Engelhart taking over each other's titles lead to their leaps for you, AND that the guy that brought Reed & Sue to the Avengers is the same dood that Matt luved on X-Factor. Ahhhh, yes.

More leaps of faith:

Thor - THUNDERSTRIKE (or: when Ron Frenz decided to ape Jack Kirby in the dullest, thickest fashion possible).

FF - I can pinpoint exactly when the Byrne run lost its sparkle for me; issue #260, w/ a guest appearance by Silver Surfer, & Doom getting incinerated (only to, y'know, swap souls with some schmuck). After that (excepting 2 issues w/ Joe Sinnott on inks), blah blah blah blah. Boring intergalactic drama & Terminus & a really drab extended Psycho Man story & that time travel hoohah. And what followed Byrne = more blah blah blah blah.

Batman - Year Two. Following Miller & Mazzuchelli w/ Wolfman & Broderick = GONG. And then following that w/ some story about a KGBeast knockoff... Yeah, I'm a snobby bastard. (Wow - KGBeast is an awful nickname.)

Avengers - when they got matching jackets. Tho, really, that was the stuck landing dotting the i on the steep decline (mixed metaphors, anyone) that followed the Stern / Buscema / Palmer era. (I am partial to Walt Simonson's 10 issue run, though, just because it was so messed up - the team disbanding, Reed & Sue joining, GILGAMESH joining, Marrina (sic?) turning into a leviathan, AND the totally incongruous Inferno crossover? Hot damn!)

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Avengers -- when Englehart left. The one-teens to 149 were drunk on their own coolness.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, one man's disintegration of something great is always another man's sudden renewal, in comics. It's weird.

The Byrne WCA ... geez. It started out all right. The sharkjump doesn't really come right with his taking over -- I like the Human Torch stuff even if I'm skeptical of its necessity (that was what bothered me in interviews, Byrne talking about the logical need to redo the Vision's origin, instead of just saying "I had this idea..."). But the further you got into it ... and was he the one who brought John Walker in? I don't remember.

Oh God, the matching jackets Avengers! God, now that's a 90s moment.

Simonson's run, in another context -- had he not been coming in to take over for an abruptly departing longtime writer, had things been set up better for him, had Inferno not been going on -- could have been great. Thunder-Frog is still one of my favorite Marvel stories ever, and his Thor in general was great. Gilgamesh would've been a perfectly good character for Simonson to use. BUT. It just didn't work out that way. (I kept reading up until #305 or so, granted.)

There never should have been a Batman: Year Two, so for me, that sharkjump takes place as soon as it was proposed. That's something that never should have been franchised that way. They should have gone the way they went eventually, and done Year Ones for other characters instead.

xpost; the Englehart Avengers is indeed one of the world's great superhero runs. Have the Essential collections gotten that far yet?

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:24 (twenty-one years ago)

General jumping:
Elektra when she died.
Sin City, post-Marv. (Of course I don't realize this till I buy them all.)(Might as well describe Frank Miller this way.)
Kabuki when Mack decided to go to color. (Of course I don't realize this till I buy them all.)

Now it gets personal:
Bone - when Jeff Smith decided to take a break. Or, in between when Thorn wants to quit and when she finds her backbone, and then when Jeff didn't feel like drawing, you know, a BACKGROUND for "Ghost Circles." But the "Treasure Hunters" made a saving throw!

Batgirl (Cassandra Cain) - after the Puckett/Damian Scott team gave way to whomever it is now.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 20 May 2004 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha I still think the Mutant Massacre is the third-best X-Men story ever told.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:10 (twenty-one years ago)

The Mutant Massacre's like drunken adultery -- great at the time, but in retrospect hard to separate from its repercussions and vomit stains.

I liked it, but I'd give it up if it meant not dealing with all its would-be successors (not just in terms of X-mega-arcs, but the way the Psylocke-vs-Sabertooth story got turned into an archetype, too).

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:29 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF - that sentence trying to explain the Englehart / Byrne switcheroo is something a run-over poodle could've done better with. (The preceeding might also be a bit of a sticky wicket, too.)

I think the Avengers Essentials have gotten as far as the Kree / Skrull War but other folks would know better than me. Marvel does need to step up the production of those things, tho - they are seriously doggin' it. Especially in light of the House of Ideas trying to sneak an oxymoron like Essential Ant-Man past fannies.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that Marvel's worried about the old stuff showing exactly how lackluster most of their current line is. Maybe it's just me...

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Thursday, 20 May 2004 02:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Essential Ant-Man is a mixture of the brilliant and the hideous - it jumps the shark every time Stan comes back and revamps the whole thing into idiocy before leaving some other poor shmuck to try and make it half-decent again...

Vic Fluro, Thursday, 20 May 2004 07:56 (twenty-one years ago)


Batman - Year Two. Following Miller & Mazzuchelli w/ Wolfman & Broderick = GONG. And then following that w/ some story about a KGBeast knockoff... Yeah, I'm a snobby
bastard. (Wow - KGBeast is an awful nickname.)

The Wolfman & Broderick was actually Year Three with the intro of Dick Grayson (which was all just a set-up for A Lonely Place of Dying to intro Tim Drake). The best part about that arc was the covers by G. Perez.
Year Two was Mike Barr and Alan Davis. It was about the Reaper and Batman using a gun and finding Joe Chill (the historical killer of his parents, though I think Zero Hour tampered with that).
If you thought the KGBeast was lame, you probably didn't stick around for the NKVDemon. Yeee-ow.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

(meanwhile, Detective was really good at that point, whilst Batman was flip-flopping around. Lots of really nice one-shot stories.)

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:44 (twenty-one years ago)

AUGH! You're right (esp. about the Perez covers)! And I was thinking of NKVDemon when I said "KGBeast knockoff"... Year Two was great (though it would've been better w/ Alan Davis drawing the entire arc, instead of that McFarlane dood).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, whoops, I didn't see the "knockoff" part of the original post. McFarlane should have been restricted to covers.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 May 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)

And I was thinking of NKVDemon when I said "KGBeast knockoff"...

I was sure Huck had to be joking about this.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)

fraid not.
http://www.geocities.com/area51/shadowlands/4733/NKVDemon.htm

luckily, they quit before they got to CIA-hole and CSISsy.

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:29 (twenty-one years ago)

MI6tynine.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

though there were Brian Bolland covers (notice a pattern here? ass story, great covers?)
http://www.thebatsquad.net/batman/images/issues/batman/batman446.jpg

The Huckle-Buck (Horace Mann), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, I am still pissed at my friend who didn't pay me back when his mother threw out the first printing copy of Killing Joke I'd lent him (because it was too violent, she said). Fucking mothers.

(Any mention of Brian Bolland reminds me of this.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

FBIfrit

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:43 (twenty-one years ago)

More sharkjumping:

Alex Ross. Loved Marvels, still do. Love some of the obnoxiously oversized big whomper comics -- Heaven's Ladder mostly, the JLA one. Love Kingdom Come despite its faults (it reads more like a story Mark Waid should have read than one he should have written, if that makes sense instead of just being pissy and pithy). But for some reason I feel bleh about him now. Maybe it's Earth X's fault.

Sharkthumping (I get knocked down, but I get up again):

Spider-Man. Sometime after the "black costume saga" of ASM #252-259 (remember when sagas were six fucking issues with a one-issue epilogue that was nothing but a conversation, instead of diamond-coded year-long rambles across four titles? okay, I already did this rant) -- possibly when the costume became Venom, which I still think was a stupid idea as anything other than a one-off nonrepeatable event.

Got better again sometime later, with PAD writing, and the Death of Jean DeWolff -- which itself wasn't stellar, but I dug the whole "Daredevil finding out Spidey's secret identity" thing, and that was pretty much the start of the DD-Spidey relationship, wasn't it? I've always seen that as Spidey's adult superhero friendship, as opposed to the Human Torch-Spidey friendship that's very much a teenagers-all-growed-up one.

That friend's mom threw out my Sin-Eater Spideys, too, same reason.

Jumped another shark when the Clone Saga ballooned into the behemoth it became (it could have been a perfectly excellent six-issues-plus-one saga), and Aunt May turned out to be an actress hired by Norman Osborn, and the Parkers had a kid, and split up or something, and MJ like might have been dead, God only knows but doesn't care.

Pretty much came back to the side of good when JMS came on board. I'm not crazy about Ezekiel's revisionist take on Spidey's origin, but I think it works since Peter's not crazy about it either, which is nice. Usually when you have these big earthshattering revelations, they get proven conclusively and the protagonist accepts them.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 20 May 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

My mum threw out all my Spider-Man and Zoids comics. Ten years later, who I discovered that Morrison had written most of them, I was gutted.

Death's Head: when Marvel UK, in their infinite wisdom, decided to have him killed by the Minion unit, remove all his personality and have him star with the X-Men every month. Most of the other Marvel UK titles from the same period are just one long shark-jump, although I have a fondness for an issue of Warheads where the Silver Surfer fights MyS-TECH's accountant, Audit.

Transformers: the recent Dreamwave reboot. I know they're not allowed to use Furman's old stories, but it just feels wrong to have a Transformer title set in the past and not having Impactor trashing Decepticon scum while Emirate Xaaron "tsk"ing in the background.

Simone's Deadpool run was really funny, Tep, but not as funny as the first few pages of Priest's Deadpool, when Wade met The Others.

Black Panther: I love Priest. Really; I have all four issues of Triumph (a mini-series so bad that Priest went on a tour of America buying copies back from readers). But I just couldn't get into Black & White. Mind you, at least he didn't really kill Tork…

And no-one's mentioned the Avengers' biggest shark of all: The Crossing! *shudder*

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 14:52 (twenty-one years ago)

a mini-series so bad that Priest went on a tour of America buying copies back from readers).

That's the best thing I've ever heard.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

One of the great things about Priest is how almost painfully candid he is about when he misses the mark (and he doesn't mind telling you when external forces are at work as well, like editors or a Thor writer deciding to use Titania without realizing she was a regular in DP).

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Or his troubles with artists *fondly remembers the great "it was a cow! Denys drew a giraffe!" flame-war on racdu all those years ago*.

carson dial (carson dial), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

"Sometimes, you're sitting around in the desert having a great time with Warren and Dustin, then four months later it turns out you've made Ishtar."

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 May 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...
Tep, did you read any of Gail Simone's Deadpool / Agent X stuff? I never read any 'Pool stuff prior to her run, but I think she did your psycho killer justice.

I'm reading these now! They're like a mutant mercenary title written by Steve Purcell (IE gene-spliced with Sam & Max)! Is the rest of her work anything like this?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Sunday, 30 January 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Frank Miller: Spawn/Batman. Yes, I've taken 300 and most of the Sin Cities into account.

Danny C (fataltapper), Thursday, 3 February 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Frank Miller did a Spawn/Batman?

Huk-L, Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, and as a cruel joke they dedicated it to Jack Kirby for graving pissing reasons.

Danny C (fataltapper), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

(BTW, New Mutants probably did a mini-jump with Bird-Brain but certainly were in full leap when Cable showed up.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Andrew! To answer your question:

Is the rest of [Gail Simone's] work anything like this?

The only other work I know of hers is Birds of Prey, which has moments of fun, but is often more serious. I don't know about her Oni work, though (Killer Princesses), or the books she did for Marvel featuring some kid (Guz Beezer?) & various superdoods.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 3 February 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Bone: when Jeff Smith decided to become a second-rate Tolkien instead of a first-rate successor to Carl Barks.

Sandman: immediately after Brief Lives.

Battle Angel Alita: after the Motorball story, which was the high point of the series.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 4 February 2005 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)


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