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― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

The chance that another artist conceived of the same identical kind of character and who was at the same exact location on Earth at the same moment in history and had the same exact name is an unrelated coincidence is beyond feasibility. It is inconceivable.

It's really not.

― chap who would dare to be a stone cold thug (chap), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

inconceivable.

"I do not think that word means what you think it means."

― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

Even if Bob Kane did nick the idea, I'm glad. That bloke was obviously shit.

― chap who would dare to be a stone cold thug (chap), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

The claim that this goes back to 1932 is suspect, as well. I mean, 1932???

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Wasn't the point made in the DaVinci code case about copyright being applicable on the execution of an idea, not on the idea itself?

Seems like back then, there'd be multiple people hawking various forms of (animal)man, (space/cosmic)man, (energy)man, (element/nature)man, Roman/Greek god, etc.

And ... In early 1939, Bob Kane was asked to create a comic book character for a DC comic book at the 1939 World's Fair. It just so happens that Frank Foster was also at the 1939 World's Fair at that exact time finishing painting a mural! There is a real possibility that Frank Foster and Bob Kane were actually acquainted!

seems an extremely tenuous link.

― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

But I thought that was the World's Fair that hardly anyone attended?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

The (Not) World's Finest Fair?

― scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

"Men of Tomorrow" by Gerard Jones talks about Bob Kane and the artists who worked on all those famous old comic characters, apparently the bulk of Kane's work was done by ghost artists he hired, and he just took credit because he was the one who made the deals with executives. I think it mentioned that when they were thinking of the name there were 2 other totally unrelated characters with "bat" in the name, it's not like stealing a generic name has anything to do with the plots or characters anyways.

― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, Bob Kane's kind of an easy target for a claim like this.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

those drawings kind of suck too... not worth stealing... and the suggestion that they stole "robin" too has nothing to do with how they came up with robin. Bob Kane wanted a sidekick named Mercury who was like some greek god or something, but executives didn't like it so they passed the duty to a freelance artist who came up with robin independently.

― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

the nightwing thing is funny though

― shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

"The closest resemblance might be vampires IE Dracula Etc."

The Bat Whispers

"Why yes— as a matter of fact, that is Batman playing the role of the Big Bad. It was right after DC Comics bigshot Bob Kane saw The Bat Whispers that he devised the basic look for the character he hoped would energize the company’s Detective Comics series, and although the resulting pop-culture icon would switch from villain to hero somewhere between the initial inspiration and the publication of the first Batman story, the image of a black-cowled figure in a bat-wing cape haunting the concrete aeries of a Deco neo-New York is unmistakable."

― Chris Freiberg (Chris F.), Thursday, 13 April 2006 04:51 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.homeusers.prestel.co.uk/grayling/beano/denmen2.gif

http://ublib.buffalo.edu/libraries/units/lml/comics/pages/images/dennis-graphic.jpg

― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 13 April 2006 06:23 (nineteen years ago)

Dennis The Menace US first appeared 12th March 1951

Dennis The Menace UK first appeared 15th March 1951

― David Simpson (David Simpson), Thursday, 13 April 2006 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

Swamp Thing/Man Thing to thread.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 13 April 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

Goldberg/Steve Austin to thread.

― c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 13 April 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

I've had Ice-T in my head ever since this thread started.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 13 April 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Swamp Thing/Man Thing to thread.

Was that really a coincidence? I remember there was an article a while ago in Back Issue that mentioned that the writers on those were roommates.

― Chris Freiberg (Chris F.), Friday, 14 April 2006 01:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, they were room-mates but both insist they came up with the idea independently and coincidentally. There was going to be a TwoMorrows book on the story (and the tangential relationship to characters like The Heap) but I don't think it ever came out.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 14 April 2006 06:52 (nineteen years ago)

Re: " There was going to be a TwoMorrows book on the story (and the tangential relationship to characters like The Heap) but I don't think it ever came out."

According to the TwoMorrows website, it's scheduled for a late July 2006 release.

― David Simpson (David Simpson), Friday, 14 April 2006 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Wee live in times of revisionism. Although, Batman belongs to DC today anyway. That's the character the world recognize. But the discussion is healthy.

― silvio ribas, Thursday, 11 May 2006 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

One of those Dennis The Menaces seems to be threatening the other.

― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Thursday, 11 May 2006 06:33 (nineteen years ago)

That is because the other Dennis The Menace is in fact Walter The Softie.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 11 May 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

The UK DtheM seems actually menacing, while the US DtheM is really just a scamp.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 11 May 2006 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

Dennis The Menace US first appeared 12th March 1951

Dennis The Menace UK first appeared 15th March 1951

coincidence? I think not.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 11 May 2006 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

http://henryvallely.blogspot.com/2006/05/gang-busters.html

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

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