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The description of Fan Favourite characters always amuses me, especially as it is nearly always applied to characters who clearly are no tfan favourites in as much as they cannot hold down their own series. So who are the biggest offenders. The "fan favourite" characters they keep trying to bring back, and constantly fail with. And why are some characters called fan faves when that seems to be the furthest from the truth?

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

the silver surfer

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

Black Canary - supposedly one of the most "senior" DC characters like Green Arrow, Atom etc but can only survive in team books or lumped with other B-listers like in Birds of Prey.

Mark Co (Markco), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

It's the equivalent of the euphemism "crowd-pleaser" in indie gig reviews, which invariably means "B-Side".

I'm interested in the characters who made a transition from "fan favourite" to actual favourite, like Wolverine.

Also the characters who have been solid journeymen for ages and never actually been fan-favourites. Banshee was a good example - plodded along for ages, never more than a couple of years between appearances, but it still didn't feel like an event when they finally offed him.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

I had my indie euphemisms mixed up. I meant, of course, "live favourite".

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know how much of a "fan favorite" Dr. Strange is supposed to be, but his solo books keep on failing. Etrigan might be more like what you're talking about; he pops up enough in other people's books, but all three Demon series combined don't add up to 100 issues.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

"crowd pleaser" = has one song that is quite famous?

Mark Co (Markco), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

yes, crowd pleaser = "only hit".

I associate fan favourites with small but mental fan followings too, i.e. Nightwing.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

Grant M's comics never sell that well, do they? Doesn't that make all his characters "fan favourites"?

Also (urrgh): Lobo.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Animal Man and the Doom Patrol are fan-favourites as characters, the former only because of Grant's work with him.

In 2000AD the most notorious fan-favourite is surely Slaine: a character very far past his sell-by and regularly bottom of most readers polls but there's apparently a significant proportion of fans who only buy the thing because Slaine's in it and would stop if they ever axed (ho ho) him.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

Also there's a distinction between a fan favourite and a cult character, isn't there? Howard The Duck isn't a fan-favourite, because his fans would absolutely dread him turning up in a Marvel book now (if it wasn't written by Gerber, and even then...) But he is a cult character.

So 'pressure for continued appearances regardless of quality' is part of it I think.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm interested in the characters who made a transition from "fan favourite" to actual favourite, like Wolverine.

Green Arrow!

And then there's also the unfan-unfavourite, like Superman and Batman, who is quite often at his most interesting within the context of a team

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

Wonder Woman = fan unfavourite - writers rarely know what to do with her but she has to have a monthly title regardless.

Then there are characters which we are led to believe are fan favourites but actualy only appear so much because a particular writer likes them a lot (ie Spider woman and half the New Avengers)

Mark Co (Markco), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

Fan favourites can also be supporting characters in a long-running series - fan favourite villains, for instance, and a lot of Cerebus' supporting cast fit this bill - definitely when I read it in the 80s/90s you felt Sim thought "let's keep them quiet with a Lord Julius sequence this month".

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty much any Tick spin-off fits here, too. The Man-Eating Cow is more of a "fan favorite" concept, I guess, than a character, but still, it applies.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

The fan favourite who is now fan unfavourite because its really an absolutely hopeless character / impossible to write is surely epitomised by Elektra. Good one shot supporting character, love interest, villainous foil - but absolutely impossible to write well because is innately both unsympathetic and impossible to identify with.

Nightwing is a good example of DC milking the Batcow semi-dry. Does Dick Grayson really work as a character outside of Batman and/or the Teen Titans, whatever team book he is in this week. In Batman he is the ray of light, in team books he is the ray of darkness (Batman's representative on Earth). But we already have a Robin doing all those things. Fan favourite character = something we aren not sure what to do with.

Squirrel Girl of course is probably in the throes of this process at the moment.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmm. Not a character (well...), but I just wrote something where I referred to Steve Rude as a 'fan favourite', which I think was me subconsciously damning with faint praise.

_chrissie (chrissie1068), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I read one of those stupid-ass Joe Quesada columns in the back of some X-issue hyping a book starring "fan favorite X-23", from the "break-out hit series X-23". Or something.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

Googling for "fan favorite character" gives us:

- Chamber
- Airboy
- Usagi Yojimbo
- Howard The Duck
- Blue Beetle
- Bleu (from Blue Monday)
- Beta Ray Bill
- Wolverine (in a movie context)
- Dawn
- Colossus
- Slam Bradley

"fan favourite character" gives us

- Angela
- Lady Jane (from Swamp Thing)
- Killer Moth (!!!)
- Raven

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Canadians LOVE Killer Moth

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

That list is a perfect set up for The Fan Favourite Justice League Europe vs The New Fan Favourite Avengers vs some manga.

I often think fan favourite, as alluded to above, means writer favourite - emphasising the problem with so many creators being fan first.

Fan neutral characters: it would appear The Thing has made it to that level these days!

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

plus all the x-men apart from Wolverine, given the tanking of their solo books like Rogue/Nightcrawler etc

Mark Co (Markco), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

so can we define this as "popular supporting character"?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Marv Wolfman is writing a Raven miniseries!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

oh, marvelpaws

(applies either to Raven news or Joey Da Queue)

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.epinions.com/images/opti/83/a1/520223-music-resized200.jpg

by Marv Wolfman

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Was that "Dawn" on the fan favorite list Dawn from Buffy?

The Yellow Kid, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Tom, how'd you get your results? All I got was stuff like "Gay Boys and Our Favorite Korean Mother."

c(''c) (Leee), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Dawn as in Linsner's pouting 90s goddess character.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

this thread, round-about-wise, brings to mind the claim - made by mark evanier, i'm pretty sure - that don heck's issue of the original x-men outsold any of the issues by neal adams round abt the same time - OR howcome SO MANY comics by alleged 'fan favourites' get cancelled?

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Aquaman is a huge fan favourite. Having an ongoing right now doesn't diminish the fact that he has spent most of his 60+ years of life without a monthly. And it won't be long before things go back to normal.

i0dine, Tuesday, 23 May 2006 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

Aquaman seems to fit the spec perfect. Except does anyone really admit to being an Aquaman fan? You know, the fish guy? He has all of Wonder Woman's problems (royality, not much audience identification) plus smelling of pilchards on his sidel. K-RUB.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 23 May 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

The latest Aquaman book has been really good at points before OYL, and has been excellent since.

(But then I like Firestorm too, so what do I know)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

Aquaman as a title always seems to keep his head above water but I am not sure if the people reading sword and sorcery AM now were the ones reading Peter David's, were the ones reading it before. Because the "classic" version of the character is too wet (butt of Superfriends jokes), but the various reboots don't seem to bring him any closer to being a really interesting character (grumpy king, exile etc) its a very strange comic. And yet it seems to sell in small doses because those hinderances to mass appeal, actually give him minority appeal.

All puns intended.

Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

Wonder Woman = fan unfavourite - writers rarely know what to do with her but she has to have a monthly title regardless.

They need to bring back her comedy chubster sidekick, and have every issue feature WW being tied up and/or flogged. That would do it.

I liked WW in Earth2... it was like she had the kind of majestic quality that I had never formally associated with her, but which a central universe character like that ought to have.

It has to be said that not being able to hold down a solo book is not a mark of rubbishness. Many great charactes only work in teams.

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

eg power man and iron fist

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 24 May 2006 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

Egg-Power Man?

k b, Thursday, 25 May 2006 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.amazonarchives.com/Images/166pic1.gif

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 25 May 2006 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

Holy shit.

James Morrison (JRSM), Thursday, 25 May 2006 08:16 (nineteen years ago)

Egg-fu has never been a fan favourite...

Hope nu-Wonder Woman finds a way of bringing him back.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 25 May 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

two years pass...

I was thinking about this concept again today, for is not Madame Xanadu a fan favorite?

The Real Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 23 May 2009 18:37 (sixteen years ago)

not, I think

Lovely release! (sic), Sunday, 24 May 2009 03:07 (sixteen years ago)

I think they just like the Kaluta cover and don't give a rat's ass about the character.

Matt M., Sunday, 24 May 2009 05:18 (sixteen years ago)

DC-

The Question
Manhunter (any permutation)
Doctor Fate
New Gods/Forever People/Mister Miracle

DC tried all of these titles and they never seemed to catch on. They were able to get the 80s Dr. Fate to run for 41 issues, but they are like 0-5 on trying to get the title to catch back on since. None of the 4th World titles ever seemed to run more than a couple of years.

I'm not sure that Nightwing would count. DC was able to keep his series running for over 150 issues, which is a pretty good run, albeit not a big seller.

earlnash, Sunday, 24 May 2009 14:28 (sixteen years ago)

The Question wasn't published because the character was a fan favorite, it was because the OG was Ditko and thus the book itself had stans and b) DC were trying to justify the purchase of the OP

OG Manhunter again stanned due to creative team, OP reactivation with different characters means character can't be claimed to be f.f.

Doctor Fate - maybe? but did they claim they were launching all those series bcz he was a fan favorite? might have been amongst the Roy Thomas-aged All Star Neckbeards, fair enough, but otherwise was pretty much only ever published due to Giffen's fannery: top of my head, 1987 4-issue mini by Giffen & DeMatteis, 1989 ongoing by DeMatteis and Macmanus, 1997ish tattoo-eyed revival by Giffen?

Lovely release! (sic), Sunday, 24 May 2009 15:04 (sixteen years ago)


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