this mark millar wolverine business, any good?

(although in fairness I missed about 1/3 of the issues)

(BTW, s1, I'm moving back to TO in July.)

i like ultimates v2!

i like millar ok when freddie prinze jr and dick cheney don't show up in his comix.

Not to mention SHE-WOLVERINE!

"Kill anybody?"
"Couple of bad guys."

...Because that's their relationship: snarky. But you have to assume some of the other X-Men, the ones who actually LIKE Logan, have these uncomfortable conversations with him now and again, y'know?

The problem with the Millar run was that it tried to be both FUN FUN ACTION MOVIE FUN LOOK SHIELD! and DARING DARING UN-PC THINKING THOUGHTS OF MINDWASHED RAPE AND KILL TEH GAY, and in the end was just shit, largely because Millar off form is one of the worst writers of dialogues and in particular monologues in comics.

Gold star for Flyboy!

SCORECARD:
- JRJR doing Kirby karnage = sweet
- interior monologue = pants
- horny Wolverine interior monologue = WHAT THE FUCK
- handling of non-Wolverine characters = pants
- Gorgon = sweet
- handling of Gorgon = pants
- riding Sentinel = sweet!
- wanton excessive carnage = sweet at first, but then pants
- killing Northstar = pants
- evil Northstar = husky-sized pants
- zombie villains = sweet
- using "zombie villains" plot as an excuse to clean the House of Ideas out of a plethora of shitty villains = pants
- ending = PANTALOONS

In prep for the supposed Millar / McNiven Wolfernie extravabonanza (which might or might not follow this current 4-part story), let me give big ups to the first issue of KICK ASS and mild flatulence towards his first ish of FF because, as Flyboy says higher in this thread: "Millar off form is one of the worst writers of dialogues and in particular monologues in comics," and he's actually on-point in KICK ASS.

That 1985 preview where some dude finds OMG AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #1 HOW META looks to be where he's indulging his baser instincts.

Hey so who's reading OLD MAN DARK KNIGHT I MEAN LOGAN and looking forward to his cross-country road trip with Green Arrow I mean Hawkeye?

So far... not good.

Better than Wolvie Origins tho.

Ugh, that dialogue.

PYM CROSS. OSBORN CITY.

I'll be keeping up with this just for the laffs.

Should I be viewing this thing like it's a ropey 2000AD serial? And should I start an online petition to add scorpions to this bitch?

Giant mutated scorpions! And let's have Jan-Michael Vincent and Paul Winfield show up in a couple of issues!

I have not read any of Old Man Logan, but this hilarious summary has both repulsed and intrigued me somewhat. Then again, sigh, Mark Millar.

That summary is pretty on point. Only imagine more casual misogyny and other Millar hallmarks. Big steamin' pile of Markshite, as always.

If anyone ever gets the chance to interview Grant Morrison, can they ask him if he feels bad about foisting Millar on the world?

Millar wasn't always this bad, I found his earlier stuff at least entertaining. But it seems like in the last several years he's devoted himself to being as OUTRAGEOUS(!!!) as possible. No reason for him to stop either, since it's getting him the money...

I just read 1985, that was pretty nice, and had none of Millar's trademark "transgressive" bullshit. Of course the whole thing was just a shameless nostalgia piece aimed at people who were Marvel comics reading kids back in the 1980s, but since I'm part of that group, I found it sweet.

So, Old Man Logan.... yup, the description was pretty accurate. Art was super pretty, though, I gotta say, that made it readable. About the same level of Enemy of the State or Civil War, I guess? As long as you turned off your brain it was okay. Not as bad as Kick-Ass or Wanted (though I can't believe he got away with using the same premise about the super villains banding together and taking everyone out in a successful coup, then dividing the country up by territory). Then again, that inbred Hulk shit was pretty damn awful and disgusting. Man, Millar is super-lucky that he's built up enough cred to get good artists to do his books now.

I haven't read Millar's earlier DC stuff, but I have read a fair amount of his Marvel stuff and the only thing that was really any good at all was the first Ultimate's series and that was a 4 issue story stretched out by splash page after splash pagef (pretty cool artwork though).

I personally think Frank Miller's All Star Batman & Robin and that totally wacky Dark Knight follow up while also totally batshit insane and of this punk-superhero trashing, craps all over that Old Man Logan stuff. Miller's clever is at least FUN by comparison, "I'm the goddamn Batman" -- Robin palming the Green Lantern's ring then beating the crap out of him. Sure Batman will put Robin in a dark cave until he figrues it out and they curse like mad men...but he doesn't have the Hulk knocking up the She-Hulk to breed back woods freaks.

You know the actual super hero comics don't matter for much at all if they will let people get this transgressive with the properties.

I think Millar is genuinely starting to run out of ideas. Old Man Logan has so much in common with Peter David's "Future Imperfect" that i can't believe it's a coincidence, and the conclusion of this recent Ultimate Avengers run lifts panel for panel from his time on the Authority (i mean, at least he's stealing his own ideas with that one)