― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 27 May 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Thursday, 27 May 2004 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 May 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 27 May 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)
#29 #30 #31 2001 Annual #32
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 27 May 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)
does he get these comics on comp or something?
― tom west (thomp), Thursday, 27 May 2004 22:30 (twenty-one years ago)
What I like most about him is his consistency. I might not always agree with him, but he publishes so many reviews that I know where our tastes diverge and I can read between the lines. Sorta link that punk Ebert (although Paul O'Brien is OTM much more often).
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 27 May 2004 22:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Thursday, 27 May 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Crickets Dance On Tequila Booty (Barima), Sunday, 6 June 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Monday, 7 June 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Monday, 7 June 2004 22:06 (twenty-one years ago)
Your initial complaints (here and on Peter Milligan) seemed to be based around the idea that he was bad because he reviewed bad XMen comics. Now you seem to be saying that he's bad because he's self-evidently bad, against considerable evidence. Do you want to advance your argument a bit?
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 7 June 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)
i'm aware that he spends much of the index making fun of how bad the books were at the time, yes; i don't see how this actually justifies the undertaking, but eh
-- tom west (u3i0...), May 19th, 2004.
i think it's bad (or at least pointless) writing to wallow in something like the dregs of marvel superhero comics with no plan other than to take as many cheap shots as one can find, is all: if o'brien were to advance some kind of aesthetic in which what he's spending his time doing is vaguely worthwhile, i'd have more time for him. pointing out the various ways in which When Marvel Comics Are Bad They Are Very Bad isn't really the hardest job in the world. and his thinkpieces at ninthart always seemed to have a rather poor snarkiness-to-actual-thought ratio.
looking at the thing dan links: "If you're wondering why it's called Excalibur... well, so am I." is a cretinous and cringeworthy construction; like something out of a student paper. and more or less every sentence is like that! countless, uh, unfunny and undergraduate unctiousnesses...
imagine ben elton reciting it.
and: isn't xavier being "middle aged, middle class" kind of a major slip, for someone who's wasted THIS MANY FUCKING HOURS doing this sort of thing?
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 00:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 00:51 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 00:52 (twenty-one years ago)
(For "aimless", see your nebulous "he must put forward an aesthetic" criticism which completely misses the point of his reviews, namely "Will someone who enjoys comic books enjoy this one?" as well as a fairly strong desire for preservation of continuity and internal logical sense, and for "lazy" see the incredibly tired and played-out "he writes like a university student" argument, which in my experience appears to be code for "I don't like this but I can't actually formulate why".)
Having said all that, I would completely buy an argument that said Paul is pandering to a particular type of comic book reader when he writes a review and his reviews come across as very cliquish and off-putting as a result. Seeing as I'm a member of that clique, that aspect of his writing doesn't really bother me.
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)
― unVengaDan unPerry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 12:38 (twenty-one years ago)
I'm wondering what "clique" you're specifically referring to, tho - a clique that's aware of / has fondness for these characters, that's been through the ups & downs & knows a fair amount of history. I can't think of any comic review sites that don't pander to that demo by default simply by writing about comics. I blame the internet.
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)
― t0m w3st (Leee), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)
Leeeee, would you believe I ALMOST thought that was Tom giving me & my non-existant comic analyses props?
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 20:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― vleeetrmx21 (Leee), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:39 (twenty-one years ago)
ewing and sinker and, uh, padgett? on ILE all tended to be interesting on comics.
haha o'brien started out on usenet? why, that explains everything
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 8 June 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)