slowly rolling euro comix thread 2006

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Yeah, so I know that (apart from canonical stuff like "Tintin" and "Asterix") there are very few fans of european comics here, for obvious reasons of availability as well as interest. Still, it's not like I have somehwere else to talk about this stuff (even my real life comic book store here in Oporto, the delightful "Mundo Fantasma", deals mostly in american and japanese stuff), so I figure what the fuck, maybe this'll get some lurkers out of the woodwork, or maybe I'll be able to draw y'all's attention to something that's cool and possibly available stateside or in the UK. To be honest I'm pretty much out of the loop as well as far as this stuff goes, but mebbe updating this thread will get me searching out more stuff.

My local FNAC (CDDVDbookcomicgame chain store of choice in Portugal) is having a big sale of stuff they seem to want to get rid of, mostly "Star Trek" novels and eurocomix, at like two, three euros per volume. I'm thinking of checking back in soon, but for now I've bought:

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"Machine Qui Reve", a Spirou adventure that has been bigged up on ILC before. It's a pretty generic sci-fi story to be honest, but with very nice, dark atmosphere, and of course the fact that it features the usually light-hearted Spirou and Fantasio gives it some extra creepyness. The adaptation of their characters to a more "adult" world is cleverly done (especially when they own up to their names being nicknames), and it doesn't feel disrespectful to the spirit of their earlier comics in the way that this sort of thing often does. Spirou gives a very cringeowrthy speech about the dangers of SCIENCE RUN AMOK towards the end, but apart from that, a highly enjoyable read.

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The second volume of Marchand and Moebiu's revamping of "Little Nemo". The art is quite insufferably twee at times, and all in all there's something sort of disappointing in a revamp of such a unique strip being much more conventional as far as storytelling and charactisation goes, but it has its moments, especially when the overtly polite dragons show up.

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A Bilal story, haven't read this all the way through yet. I highly enjoyed Bilal's animated movie "Imortal", but haven't been quite able to get into his comics as of yet - there's something overtly mannered and hysterical about them that I just can't fathom. This looks to be more low-key, though, so fingers crossed.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 21 August 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Some time ago I bought the Jess Nevins annotations to "League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen", and as a result of that this landed on my amazon reccomendations list:

http://www.comp.dit.ie/dgordon/League/OtherLeagues/1910s/Shadowmen.jpg

It's a collection of essays about french pulp and adventure books from the 19th century, delving much deeper than the usual mentions of Verne and Dumas. It's also clearly written by Philiph José Farmer fans, as the book makes frequent mention of the Wold Newton incident and tries to tie the french pulp characters into similiar nets of connections. Tons and tons of fun. Anyway, they've released a second volume...

http://www.comp.dit.ie/dgordon/League/OtherLeagues/1910s/Shadowmen2.jpg

And it's all about french adventure comics! Sadly not as good as the first one, as they shun all of the well known and comical stuff in favour of a lot of comics that just seem hopelessly derivative and exploitational to me. Still, there's bound to be a lot here that might appeal to "2000AD" fans, and it does also mention some more high profile stuff like "Barbarella" and "Zig & Puce".

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 21 August 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

I was really psyched that Drawn & Quarterly put out two volumes of Dupuy & Berberian comics this summer: "Get a Life" and "Maybe Later." I prefer the former since I'm at the age where I can directly relate with the Monsieur Jean stories, but the latter gives nice insight into the creators' working process.

Also, enjoying the Fantagraphics edition of David B's "Babel," even if it can't touch "Epileptic" or the stuff Kevin Huizenga is doing with the similar Igntaz format.

ng-unit (ng-unit), Tuesday, 22 August 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

I have nothing to add to this thread but I am reading it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

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Just read all of Yves Chaland's Freddy Lombard books. "Tintin meets Ripley" would be the best description I can think of -- pretty great stuff.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 02:24 (nineteen years ago)

I highly enjoyed Bilal's animated movie "Imortal", but haven't been quite able to get into his comics as of yet - there's something overtly mannered and hysterical about them that I just can't fathom.

Oh, you should definitely read the "Nikopol" trilogy the movie is based on - it's one of the best sci-fi comics ever. His latest trilogy doesn't seem quite as good (though he's only released only two parts of it), seems like he's taking himself a bit too seriously.

If you want to read some low-key Bilal stuff, I'd recommend the albums he's done with Pierre Christin. They're rather realistic and cold political thrillers, very different from Christin's Valerian stuff, but well-written anyway.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 08:13 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and Monsieur Jean is indeed great! I like how the comic moves from shorter vignettes to long album-length stories once Jean gets married and has a kid (though I myself find it easier to relate to the younger bachelor Jean), I think it works in both forms. It's kinda like the good French "conversation movies", where people talk about relationships and art and what's important in life, only spiced with Calvin & Hobbes style dream imagery.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 08:21 (nineteen years ago)

Btw, has anyone here read Gaspard de la Nuit by Johan de Moor (Bob de Moor's son) and Stephen Desberg?

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/2203342021.08._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V1056545295_.jpg

...or Les Compagnons du Crépuscule by Bourgeon?

http://www.polytechnique.fr/eleves/binets/bd/conseils/01/aventure/compagnons/ville.jpg

Both are among my favourite fantasy comics, mainly because they're rather different from Elfquest style high fantasy, but I'm not sure if they're available in English.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 08:46 (nineteen years ago)

What about Didier Comès? Has he been translated into English?

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Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

I see at my local store that Lucky Luke has just been published into English again... wonder how long that'll last. Has anyone seen a translated Spirou, ever?

I'm a bit apathetic about M. Jean. I can see where it's going but I find the stories a bit insubstantial. Is there a particularly "definitive" one to read?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

I wish more BDs were available in translation. Or maybe I should just stop being such a fucking Englishman and actually learn another language.

chap who would dare to start Raaatpackin (chap), Wednesday, 23 August 2006 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

Does Didier Comès write Elseworlds stories where Sandman is a french peasant?

One thing I forgot to mention above is "Canardo", by Sokal. My mum had a lot of these lying around the house when I was a kid, and I was forbidden to peruse them, as they were very violent/creepy/sexual in nature. At about fourteen or so I finally got to give a look in, and they still freaked me out a bit. When I was in Paris last year I bought the first volume, "Le Chien Debout", and despite it being very light on Canardo himself (he almost adopts a Spiritesque McGuffin position), I was consistently amazed by how good it is. Real gritty noir stuff, with occasional acknowedlegements of the character's animal traits (the first volume has some very funny - in a grisly sort of way - scene where a dog runs towards its killer, knowing she's going to die, because she's been domesticated and can't help but come when she's called.) One moment I remember very vividly was in a volume where Canardo was solving a case on an about-to-disappear island, and one d00d gets shot. His last words are "maybe it isn't...that the sea is rising, but that the island...is sinking." Someone goes "what could he possibly have meant by that?", and Canardo answers "nothing, he was just trying to give his death some significance, since his life didn't have any". And he's *right*. That's "Canardo" in a nutshell.

A few years ago when there was this hype about some new noir comic with a panther or something as the lead character, I remember being annoyed that no one mentioned Sokal.

http://jrobinss.free.fr/BD/canardo.jpg

http://www.universkids.com/IMG/jpg/canardo.jpg

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

"Extreminateur 17" (scripted by Dionnet) is enjoyable, although you can tell that they tried to make it into something more epic than the format allowed. When one of the two main characters gives the other one a "we are very alike, you and I" speech towards the end of the story, it rings sorta hollow, because really we didn't learn much at all about the character's personalities anyway. But it's a good story.

Oh, you should definitely read the "Nikopol" trilogy the movie is based on - it's one of the best sci-fi comics ever. His latest trilogy doesn't seem quite as good (though he's only released only two parts of it), seems like he's taking himself a bit too seriously.

Actually, that's the stuff I read and didn't much like! A lot of mitigating factors, of course: I already knew all the best bits of the story from the movie, I read it out of order (thus confusion), and the portuguese translations were absolutley fucking atrocious. I'll have to check out that Christin stuff - I like what I've read of "Valerian", despite the abscence of likeable characters.

I see at my local store that Lucky Luke has just been published into English again... wonder how long that'll last. Has anyone seen a translated Spirou, ever?

Wikipedia sez that only two translated volumes have ever been published, and they're out of print. This is just staggeringly wrong, I feel bad for you people that didn't get to grow up on "Spirou" :( The general number of BDs that have been translated into english is really bizarrely low, so yeah, chap, if you have the time and inclination to learn some french, go for it! My french is pretty lousy (despite seven years at sk00l studying up on it), but recently I've taken to reading french comix in the original with a dictionary by my side, and I was amazed at how little I had to use it, really - comics are pretty great for working up some ease with a language. Plus you'll get to understand Brel and Gainsbourg lyrics! Speaking of which...

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Another Paris purchase. Gainsbourg paid tribute to by Moebius, Didier Poli and Dupuy, amongst others. Nothing spectacular, but a nifty little artefact.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Thursday, 24 August 2006 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Canardo is really quite good, gets a bit too self-conscious at some point, but the couple of recent albums have been pretty good again. There must be ten or more or albums released by now, it's really the best noir comic there is, alongside Alack Sinner.

I always find it weird stuff like this gets translated to Finnish, but not English... To miss Spirou is to miss a big chunk of comic history.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 24 August 2006 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

My friend Nigel Fletcher compiled this list of Non-English language comics in translation. He hasn't updated it for a cpl of years, sadly - defeated by the Manga explosion! But it is still a v. useful resource:

http://www.krazykat.freeserve.co.uk/

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 24 August 2006 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

That's quite an extensive list! I didn't know Alack Sinner is available in English. Anyone read it?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 06:12 (nineteen years ago)

is that the munoz/sampayo thing?

alicer (alicereed), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

yep

kit brash (kit brash), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

The Alack Sinner translations are gd - great, even - but my fave Munzo/Sampayo strip in English remains 'Mr Conrad, Mr Wilcox' from Raw 3 (and also reprinted in the Read Yrself Raw anthology.) Devastating on every level, fuck a Keith Giffen

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
"Spirou & Fantasio Par..." is a new series where they get diferent creative teams to write out-of-continuity Spirou adventures - which means it has the potential to deliver the same sort of thrills "Solo" (RIP) did.

Picked up the first volume, "Les Géants Petrifies" by Yoann and Vehlmann:

1-Underwater adventure, features the return of that yellow divecraft thing!
2-Rocks the socially relevant vibe like vintage Fournier. Big budget morally bankrupt explorers vs principled scientists FITE!
3-Fantasio chooses the wrong side of same FITE for most of the volume, and yet nobody makes a big deal out of it, no angsty "betrayed by my BEST FRIEND!" nonsense from Spirou.
4-General infatuation with SCIENCE and ANCIENT CIVILIZATIONS gives feel of vintage Spirou adventure without coming off as self-conciously retro. Also reminded me of "Tintin" and Bark's adventure stuff at times.
5-I'm not too keen on the Spirou (horizontal lines on the cheeks = manga influence = :-/), but the Fantasio's really well done, looks a bit older and more desperate.
6-Non patronising approach to diferent cultures - hawt indonesian chick (admitidely a bit cheesecake) pwns everyone, modern LOTR infatuated maoris are there for comedy relief, but still respectfully handled.
7-Spip handled sparingly (par for the course with non-Marsupilami stories), but gets to pwn every now and then.
8-Cameos by the Count of Champignac and other scientists from the Spirouverse.
9-OMG H.P. LOVECRAFT REFERENCES IN A SPIROU COMIC!!!

Easily one of the best comics I've read this year.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

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Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

'Get a Life', Drawn and Quarterly's volume of translated strips by Dupuy & Berberian, is easily the best comics that I've read all year - clever, witty, inventive, romantic, charming without being twee, and drawn in a very attractive 'clear line' style - great colouring, too

Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

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Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Monday, 6 November 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah it's one of the best French comics of recent years. Didn't we discuss it somewhere else recently? The "making of" comic is pretty good too (though not as brilliant as the similar album by Lewis Trondheim).

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, it seems "somewhere else" = this thread.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Daniel, that Spirou and Fantasio book sounds great! I hope it reaches these shores too at some point, they've been pretty slow on translating newer Spirou books into Finnish, and I can't read French... :(

Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 6 November 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)


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