DC's WORLD WAR III

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How do we feel about this teaser image?

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

All I've got to say is that I really hope that they aren't bringing back Barry Allen.

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

LOL @ Mr. Miracle's sadface.

>=O @ Batman's pantaloon.s

c(,,c) (Leee), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

Phil Jiminez?

chap (chap), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's Jiminez.

I really like his drawing of Mary Marvel in this thing -- really great gesture/body language.

This image seems to refer to the same image as the image on the cover of the Sopranos season 5 dvd, but I can't remember what the source was of the top of my head. Anyone?

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

Is this for WW3 - or their next 'event'?

Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

Hang about, does Batman carry a scimitar these days?

chap (chap), Friday, 26 January 2007 00:13 (nineteen years ago)

It's unclear. The Newsarama URL is: http://www.newsarama.com/dcnew/WWIII/dcart.jpg

And so it's a reasonable assumption that this is World War III, though my understanding is that happens in 52, and it makes no sense that Superman would be there since he wouldn't have powers at that point. But then again, there's the whole SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER return of the multiverse thing, and so that makes sense of a lot of things in this image.

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Friday, 26 January 2007 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

Mr.Miracle and Big Barda look very weird, almost more of a Laurel & Hardy pose than that of a couple.

Why does DC have to keep reminding me that Blue Beetle got shot? ;_;

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 26 January 2007 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

fuck all crying superheroes.

nu-mongrel (kit brash), Friday, 26 January 2007 01:15 (nineteen years ago)

cosine

Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Friday, 26 January 2007 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

COME ON - what does it take for you people to talk about Supes getting WW's ta-tas all wet?

WWIII is happening in 52, but it's being spun off into 4 one-shots (written by superstar-in-training-pants Keith Champagne and former-world-beater John Ostrander). Whether more's coming of this, I dunno. If there's one thing DC needs more of, tho, it's sadface (hopefully accompanied by punches going through torsos / skulls / the universe).

As for the image itself - half the folks look cut-n-pasted in, but Maxwell Lord has a fine ass (& he'd agree, since he's looking at it FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE) (& so would Green Arrow). Also - Dr. Midnite?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

Also - Elseworlds Batman? Da fug!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

I was so distracted by trying to figure out who Captain Crotchbutt was (I didn't realize at first that it's his head that's been turned around; oh like you never did it with your Spider-Man action figure) that I didn't even notice Elseworlds Batman. Batman always looks weird when his chin is covered up.

I was going to say I'm tired of sadface, but I like Brubaker's Captain America and Daredevil so much that I don't know if I can make that claim. Tired of the kind of sadface this one picture brings to mind, though.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 26 January 2007 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

Brubaker's Marvel work isn't sadface, tho - it's, um, dramacrotch. Or suspensebutt. Or something awesome. (Thrillfist?) Which it is. PJ's work = A VISAGE DRENCHED IN MOPERY AND BOO-HOO.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

(Thrillfist sux, as does the crotch-centric version I almost posted.)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

emotibuns

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Friday, 26 January 2007 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think that's Dr. Midnite, I think that's Robin from Kingdom Come.

The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Friday, 26 January 2007 06:00 (nineteen years ago)

Yellow Kid is correct, it's the Red Robin costume. Because, you know, in another world, Dick Grayson is totally, totally into that particular hamburger restaurant.

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Friday, 26 January 2007 07:26 (nineteen years ago)

Also, what does it mean for me that when I saw this image, I didn't start thinking "argh, sadface!" but instead just kinda got excited, especially for stuff like Donna Troy wearing the old classic Perez costume, and the implication of multiverse shenanigans? Was buying every issue of 52 and enjoying at least two thirds of them my version of drinking the DCU Kool Aid?

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Friday, 26 January 2007 07:35 (nineteen years ago)

Haha what sweet irony if Matt P is the ONLY PERSON ON ILC who gets excited when they actually do bring back the multiverse.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

Supes and WW - SO NOT GONNA HAPPEN III.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 26 January 2007 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha - it's like Superman is having a really messy sobby fit and everyone else is standing around embarrassed, trying to ignore it, thinking to themselves "god, just pull yourself together"

Mark Co (Markco), Friday, 26 January 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, NOW I love the picture.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 26 January 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

What you see in the image is Mary Marvel's girlish crush being shattered by Supertears.

Maybe Superman is upset about that whole Sleez fiasco. I mean, Mr. Miracle and Barda are right there.

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Friday, 26 January 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

More universes = MORE TEARS = DO NOT WANT

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha - it's like Superman is having a really messy sobby fit and everyone else is standing around embarrassed, trying to ignore it, thinking to themselves "god, just pull yourself together"

OTM, look at Green Lantern!

chap (chap), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

It seems like DC and Marvel are addicted to BIG, WORLD SHAKIN', NUTHIN EVAH GON' BE THE SAME Crossover events.

Its understandable, given a shrunken marketplace, that they must do this, but I just wish that that both would quit soaking readers, have a moritorium on crossovers and just go forward and tell some goddamn stories.

I'm sure mucho fans are going batshit that Kingdom Come appears to be now incorporating into mainstream continuity.

And is Mary Marvel the only gal in the DC universe with nice, humble lil' titties, instead of the galacto-gazongas common to WW, BB and BC?

veronica moser (veronica moser), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Moser OTM - I am all for shared universes & co-mingling, & I'm all for BIFF WHANG ZOW, but fuck this Sweeps Week booshit. The fact that I'm actually enjoying some of the crap that this INFINITE WEEKLY BALLGAG nonsense has perpetrated (Blue Beetle, Checkmate, The All-New Atom, any bits of 52 that don't involve Black Adam or Steel, nu-Supes) is just a happy coincidence, & probably has a lot to do with my high tolerance for this EARTH QUAKENING nonsense.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it breeds big sales, sure, but I think the positive thing that Marvel and DC are doing now is that they are actively pushing the stories forward, and letting the events have consequences that carry through other big stories that they've mapped out in advance. For a really long time, both universes were either stuck in a holding pattern in which nothing ever really "mattered" or were written in this aimless post-Lobdell style in which big things happened, but were swept under the rug when the other editors and writers weren't on the same page.

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

With DC you have to be a bit suspicious though, because when they did Infinite Crisis their line with OYL was "yes we want to get past the events onto interesting stories again, no events for a while, nosiree, just stories stories stories."

And then a lot of the OYL stuff has, shall we say, underperformed, and suddenly it's "Yes we are now in Act Two of a Three Act Structure, we planned it all along."

Weirdly with Marvel I get a different feeling - that they had no real idea Civil War would be THIS big, and having struck gold they're retooling their whole universe quite hurriedly to try and keep up.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

in this aimless post-Lobdell style in which big things happened, but were swept under the rug when the other editors and writers weren't on the same page.

But this happens all the time, and will happen all the time, and is part of the beauty of superhero comics.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I guess "for a little while" meant "until next summer"!

I don't think they were bullshitting about the "we are in act two of a three act structure" -- if anything, they are lying about it being a three-act structure, and we're looking at the template for the forseeable future, with one event leading into the next year's event, and so on, and planning out the major arc of the DCU storyline two or three years in advance of publication. And you know, even if there's a lot of crassness and some lameness inherent in that sort of thing I applaud DC for having a plan, understanding the marketplace, and actually making people (and not just their base readership) care about all of this enough to buy the stuff.

Andrew, I don't think that the semi (or totally) improvised style of comics writing is a bad thing! It's just not something that has been working out too well recently, mainly because a lot of the people doing it were totally lame.

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

Weirdly with Marvel I get a different feeling - that they had no real idea Civil War would be THIS big

I do remember a sense last year when The Illuminati #1 came out that it would lead into Civil War and Planet Hulk, and they were at the time basically pushing them as being of equal importance!

Also in a way it's big because they're rubbish - the entire thing is supposed to be over by now, but delays meant other titles kept getting sucked in (HI DERE Black Panther) and kept the momentum rolling.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 26 January 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

"Mapped out in advance" my ass - these folks need new sextants ASAP. Both IC/52 & CW show plenty of signs that shit is flying seat-of-pants style, w/out thinking about minor things like, oh, keeping editors / creative teams on the same page, or getting books out in a timely manner, or getting the story out within the confines of the book that should be disseminating the stupid story. & Andrew OTM - it's the boon & curse of perpetuating a shared & ongoing universe of characters.

I guess my biggest beef with all this nonsense (& the "lots of folks doing this in the past were totally lame") is: there was an ever-so-brief moment (right before Marvel went crazy-go-nuts w/ House of M, their first BIG event in a looong time, IIRC) where a fair # of creators (Bendis on DD & Alias, Busiek on Avengers, GM on NXM, Bruce Jones on Hulk for about 45 minutes, JMS on Spidey before he screwed the pooch, maybe a few others) were writing interesting & progressive stories that had fuck-all to do with the unnecessary pomp & circumstance of Big Events. They were just STORIES.

Of course, Marvel was driven to such "dire straits" because of the state of the market their previous regimes helped inculcate. As soon as they regained their sealegs, it was back to business as usual. The fact that Marvel chose to dive back into the Big Event pool would've sent up warning flairs were it not for the involvement of the folks that were creating these STORIES I enjoyed. But, of course, turns out the gag was on moi.

[super major xpost]

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

You're not wrong, David.

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

I think what's happening w/ me now is the sort of disenfranchisement I would've experienced w/ superhero books back in the day had I not been forced to stop collecting / reading due to $$$ issues.

(I'm NEVER wrong - I'm just not right a lot.) (*superwink*)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Is there any obvious reason why Marvel moved away from the early 00s Jemas-era thing? Is this Dan Buckley's influence, maybe? Other than the switch in publishers, I can't think of any major failures that would necessitate a change of direction.

Also, David, do you figure your "disenfranchisement" is exacerbated by the fact that you're buying an enormous chunk of what Marvel and DC publish every month? I buy a LOT less, and read very few titles in which these crossovers actually enter the text of the monthly series, and so it's hard for me to care too much. I mean, to me, Civil War was something that happened in the main Civil War mini, and five issues of New Avengers that were all pretty solid self-contained one-issue stories. Oh, and those two issues of X-Factor, but c'mon, those just felt like regular issues of that title.

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Is there any obvious reason why Marvel moved away from the early 00s Jemas-era thing?

Jemas was spooking the market with his aggressive PR tactics and habit of dicking around with the company's top brands? I liked that era too, from what I've read of it.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Matthew, I'm pretty sure 99% of my disenfranchisement is due to the volume of crap I read every month. Started off innocently enough, and there's still a lot of what I read that I'd continue reading, but my curiosity (& my fat bankroll) lead me down some paths that I probably should've avoided, & that's given my funnybook experience THE TAINT that I'm having trouble shaking.

Also, I miss Gotham Central. ;______________;

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

What are Marvel's finances like these days? A lot of their 90s problems seemed to be due to being continually on the verge of bankruptcy and a succession of top-men with an attitude of "you have all these great characters and an audience that will buy any old shit - crank up the 'any old shit' machine that we found in the basement! This plan can't fail!"

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 26 January 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

this makes me think of the Planet of the Apes (or the PotA gag in the last Dr. 13 strip). But they already did JLApe...
Anyway, the WWIII connection is purely N'rama speculation, though the Question's presence justifies, since he's not really a player of any consequence outside the pages of 52 (and my heart), and the next EVENT, as per LITG, is the marriage of GA and BC, which means the next PRELUDE TO AN EVENT will be COUNTDOWN TO GREEN ARROW'S PROPOSAL 99 cent SPECIAL.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 26 January 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Does that mean Paul Dini's weekly series is going to be a painstaking walkthru of the wedding prep? As drawn up by MONSIEUR MALLAH & THE BRAIN? Co-starring Zatanna?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Of course, the return/unreturn/turnaround of the Multiverse will add amazing wrinkles to the story, since the Black Canary who joined the Justice League was originally from Earth-2, freshly widowed and 80 years old when she met GA, though it was later revealed that she was actually HER OWN DAUGHTER RAISED IN A CRYSTAL IN THE THUNDERBOLT DIMENSION!
So, like, expect Larry Lance to show up, Red Hood style, to STOP THE WEDDING, THE BRIDE'S ALREADY MARRIED!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 26 January 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

I hope GA proposes FINGER-style.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Ew.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 January 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Let the record show that TOM was the first one to go there.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

Huh. this magnified section from Newsarama reveals a Legion flight ring and what appears to be the hand of a submerged Atom in the rubble with the dead people.

M Perpetua (mperpetua), Friday, 26 January 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

I REALLY hope that's the same sort of detective work that revealed AMBUSH BUG reflected in the leg of Skeets (on a recent 52 cover).

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 January 2007 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

ROFL on the little bitty hand sticking up. THE SADNESS.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Friday, 26 January 2007 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

Mr.Miracle and Big Barda look very weird, almost more of a Laurel & Hardy pose than that of a couple.

Why does DC have to keep reminding me that Blue Beetle got shot? ;_;

-- Daniel_Rf (filosofiaebolacha...), January 26th, 2007. (later)

fuck all crying superheroes.

-- nu-mongrel (n...), January 26th, 2007. (later)

Hey!! I'm no superhero!

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 27 January 2007 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

If we're talking bold new directions, check out Black Canary's package!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 27 January 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

That's because she's the Black Canary of Earth Pre-Op Transsexual.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Saturday, 27 January 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

mound of venus, more like mount mckinley of venus amirite

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 27 January 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

What's the cape and shield(?) that Wonder Woman's sitting on/in front of? And what's that flashlight at the bottom?

The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 28 January 2007 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

that's a fleshlight built by the insane computer that fell in love with Max back in his origin. finally technology has caught up to her desires.

I think that's probably just some Amazon ceremonial formalwear that Wonder Woman's on.

flesh-mongrel (kit brash), Sunday, 28 January 2007 09:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://blog.newsarama.com/2007/01/29/jerry-the-king-lawler-to-draw-superman-project/

Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 29 January 2007 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

WAHT.

c(,,c) (Leee), Monday, 29 January 2007 22:19 (nineteen years ago)


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