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Because the retardo logic & sub-VH1 pith permeating ILE's version is pissing me off (Internet style).

WHAT SAY YOU SPARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

― David R., Monday, 12 March 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

PUNCTUATION - IT'S WHAT'S FOR DINNER

― David R., Monday, 12 March 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I liked it tons (which might be why ILE's IT SUX rhetoric is irking me). Ridiculously over the top in a most goreous way. Tons of gratuitous violence. Lots of manmuscle that almost makes going to the gym a top priority for me. Fantastic to look at. And, hey, if you were a Spartan telling this story to your council, you'd make shit up, too, right?

― David R., Monday, 12 March 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

EW gave it a decent review in the latest issue, too. 300 looks fantastic from the previews, and Lena Headley = not hard on the eyes at all. I'm going later this week.

Snyder's Dawn of the Dead is one of the better remakes out there. DotD and 300 give me hope for a decent Watchmen.

― scampering alpaca, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's nowhere near the cinematic abomination some standard bearers are making it out to be. Unless they were hoping for a historically accurate (& tasteful) flick about the battle at Thermopylae. Suckaz.

― David R., Monday, 12 March 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't Joe Average Moviegoer have a sense of what to expect, though? They trumpet the "Sin City" connection enough, that should give some clue as to style/content. I'd rather have a stylized, well-cast 300 than a more historically accurate, but miscast Troy or Alexander.

― scampering alpaca, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

Amen to that! Honestly, the folks that are pissing & moaning about this, as if they didn't see it coming, I don't get. & maybe I'm inculcated to Miller's steez that the "ridiculously stupid" bits flew right over my head, but I honestly didn't think it was that (unintentionally) dumb.

But I'm going to stop here before I turn into one of those ILX folks what won't shut up about something.

― David R., Monday, 12 March 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

That said, if FM's Spirit is a hyper-macho hyper-violent pulp piece like this or Sin City, I'm gonna break his kneecaps.

― David R., Monday, 12 March 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Movie aside, was the comic popular? I don't remember anyone talking about it or reading it before the movie came on the scene.

― Jordan, Monday, 12 March 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

It was def. popular (for a Dark Horse book about dead guys) before the movie in the same way that Sin City was popular before its own movie, but given the rising number of inquiries into my copy since the movie came out, you could say that the movie is helping out w/ publicity for the book.

It has the usual FM political UHHHs, so Twomass was obliged to give it his usual OMG FM IS FACIST spiel; but the book remains pretty good -- not great -- and represents one of the last things Lank Miller did before he went off the deep end.

― Leee, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'll admit, though, that my liking of the book hasn't been enough for me to watch it yet (ya ya opening weekend ya) after withering reviews and morbid ILE smarm.

But now that it has Rap0sa stamp of approval, that is different matter, for sure!

― Leee, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't seen it, but I was kinda hoping it would be like the Con Air of "graphic novel" adaptations, ie so god-damn ridiculously over-the-top and idiotic that right-thinking individuals couldn't help but love it. I'm surprised at the large number of people who are taking it seriously, though, both those who liked it and those who did not.

― Garrett Martin, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

so god-damn ridiculously over-the-top and idiotic that right-thinking individuals couldn't help but love it.

But it is!

― Jordan, Monday, 12 March 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

It has the usual FM political UHHHs, so Twomass was obliged to give it his usual OMG FM IS FACIST spiel; but the book remains pretty good -- not great -- and represents one of the last things Lank Miller did before he went off the deep end.

I've never even read 400! I guess I've become the regular strawman here. That said, I rarely have the stomach for Miller when he is in his übermacho mode, so I don't think I'd enjoy it except for the visuals.

I didn't really like Sin City because of its overt comic imitation and stylized brutality, so this doesn't sound good to me all. Then again, I have a soft spot for glaring over-the-topness, so if all the stuff about ninjas and transsexuals and killer rhinos is true, I'll probably wanna see it.

― Tuomas, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Also, the trailer for the movie looks pretty awful. Looks like the movie has a hero who becomes a hero through some fascist kiddie training regime where he has to beat up other kids. How can you root for that?

― Tuomas, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

He beats up Orientals, so that's ok in my book.

Sorry T! Someone did say what I was referring to, but I can't remember who now, and given your general opinion on FM, you got associated -- mistakenly, I do apologize -- with it.

― Leee, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0812550706.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Jordan, Monday, 12 March 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

Weren't the kids just playing computer games against each other in that one? Anyway, I don't remember liking it that much either.

― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 07:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'd rather have a stylized, well-cast 300 than a more historically accurate, but miscast Troy or Alexander.

Troy was, in any way shape or form, historically accurate? Or at least accurate to Homer?

I hear that in 300, the people who are supposed to die in the end die in the end. Unlike Troy, where some of the wrong people die in the end.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

I thought the comic was shit, and I think the movie looks like even worse shit, so I'm not watching it unless someone pays me.

― Oilyrags, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'd rather have a stylized, well-cast 300 than a more historically accurate, but miscast Troy or Alexander.

Troy was, in any way shape or form, historically accurate? Or at least accurate to Homer?

Haven't read The Iliad yet. It's on the big "someday" list. And to be honest, have only seen 10 minutes or so of Troy. That was an assumption.

― scampering alpaca, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

The biggest inaccuracy in Troy is that the seige appears to last three days rather than ten years.

― chap, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 21:46 (nineteen years ago)

Also, in the film Achilles dies inside Troy, after the horse trick, rather than before that. And wasn't the person who was his cousin in the film supposed to be his male lover or something?

― Tuomas, Thursday, 15 March 2007 07:12 (nineteen years ago)

Patrocles is generally considered to be his male lover but I don't think that's made explicit in the book. He does react strongly enough to his death that people feel there needs to be a justifiation for that, which "cousin" might not be strong enough to explain away.

Also, Agamemnon is not supposed to die, since he has a whole bunch of adventures on the way home and once he gets back and finds his wife has been sleeping with another man. The Iliad itself only covers a few days, but it ends before the horse bit, but the movie isn't called "The Iliad" I suppose so that's OK.

Although all that said, myths are supposed to be re-written, so it's a bit off-base to ask for strict fidelity to any text...

― Casuistry, Monday, 19 March 2007 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Just read the comic. Psyched for the film. Haven't actually read anything about it though so probably in for a bit of a let-down.

― kv_nol, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

The comic is G*R*A*T*E. The film is good but not so GRATE. Maybe it just works better as a comic, I dunno.

One thing I did find problematic about the film was the way the Spartans only fought as proper hoplites - shield to shield - in one scene, and thereafter kept beating the Persians by being better individual fighters rather than by having better weapons and tactics. So that bit where Leonidas tells Ephialtes that he cannot join the battle because they always fight close order is rendered meaningless by all the loose order fightin' that goes on later.

― The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:26 (eighteen years ago)

I don't know that I can bring myself to watch this now that my tasteless friends have taken such a shining to the film.

― Leee, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

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