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Yay! New comic day! Huzzah! Here's a link to Diamond's shipping list (in .txt format), and here's a link to the faboo Previews Review site, which offers an interesting & fun breakdown of what the discerning, skeptical comic fan should possibly look out for.

So, yeah, this week, I am super-geeked / curious about (among other things):
- my comic shop not acquiring the newest issue of The Goon (ungh)
- Part 2 of the Whedon Cassaday X-Perience
- the third chapter of the "interesting" Azzarello / Lee Superman mega-arc
- a DOUBLE-SIZED issue of Queen & Country
- Penthouse Forum AND Penthouse Letters! Bone us!

Unt you?

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

the new issue of the Flash is about all I'm looking for this week.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:39 (twenty-one years ago)

How's Flash going, Huck? I was curious re: the post-#200 direction (the 1 issue I skimmed seemed interesting), but I'm wary of Geoff Johns' work (despite the good word of mouth I've heard about his Flash run), and my pull list already reads like a Previews catalog.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd forgotten that Azzarello was writing Superman. OMG.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 13:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I really liked the Ignition arc, which started in #201, where Wally forgot that he was the Flash (due to a series of convuluted comic book stuff). It was sort of like a reverse-Quiver (the Kevin Smith Green Arrow resurrection, not the Wild Strawberries album). The current stuff, with Wally dealing with having a secret ID for the first time in his adult life is kinda interesting, and his wife left him, so that's always great.
I've picked up a few of the trades of both Johns and Waid's earlier stuff on this series and I was a little put off at how large the Flash Family has become.
But of the explosion of titles I started buying last fall, pretty much Flash and Green Arrow (and Identity Crisis now) are the only ones I plan on continuing to follow. Though I did pick up another Outsiders and I liked it.
I think I'd like to start reading Daredevil too.
Oh, and I'll probably keep buying Superman/Batman, just because I started at #1 and I might as well, even though I haven't been that impressed since #3.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm sort of interested in that Azzarello Superman, but it's conflicting with my instinct to avoid Superman at all costs. Also, his Batman story really took a dive after the first couple issues.

I'm getting Wanted #4 and the second trade of Sleeper that's coming out (in addition to Astonishing #2).

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, the "Astonishing X-Men #1 Director's Cut" that's coming out this week, WTF? That's cheating.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

FOR HUCK: Yeah, I flip between dropping S/B & sticking it out - after Michael Turner (ugh ugh ugh), Carlos Pacheco's going to be the artiste. I just wish (among other things) that Loeb would drop the "meaningful" S/B caption boxes. It's "I'm the best at what I do" TimeWarner style, and it's just as numbing and dopey as hearing about Wolverine's damn skeleton.

The one thing that suckers me in, though, is all the gratuitous guest appearances. It's like an issue of World's Finest, but instead of having all these back-up stories with Metamorpho & Green Arrow & whomever, they're in the main book! Also, I think the fuzzy happiness that Ed McGuinness' art brought to the first 6 issues is what's REALLY keeping me on the title. (This is the 87th time I've mentioned this on ILC, but it bears repeating, and it's almost got me jonesin' for issues of the Loeb / McGuinness Superman run, which I think is where the "Luthor for President" stuff happened.)

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got the "President Lex" trade and it's got a lot of great McG art.
I thought the captions were brilliant for the first three issues and then I realized, "oh geez, they're kinda stuck with this now, huh?" and the novelty wore off and it ceased to be an effective narrative device.
That's probably the one thing about Identity Crisis that worries me, since Meltzer is using a similar technique (only with more characters and less cloying), or at least used it on the first issue.

But I have no interest in the Supergirl story and it feels like it's being dragged out for trade-collecting purposes. I think I've said this before, but I remember when everything that's actually happened so far in this storyline could have been handled in an 8-page back-up feature with room to spare.
Say what you will about the simplistic stories of yesterday, you have to admire their economy of space.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing is, Meltzer's using the captions for more of a pulp/noir detective story feel, which worked well, & is what's Meltzer's aiming for re: this story. Also, I think he's managed to avoid reiterating the charater's life story w/in the caption's confines (or else, he's reiterating the life story of lesser-known characters - I can't recall any obvious "here's my origin" exposition, tho I think Elongated Man goes into a bit of a schpiel). I can't think of any enjoyable precedent that Loeb's tapping (tho you're OTM re: the S/B caption trick working well @ first).

Jordan - did you notice any qualitative difference between Risso's art in the Batman arc vs. his 100 Bullets work? The Frank Millery sketchiness of his work on Batman really put me off, but after reading the last 2 issues of 100 Bullets (& noting the VERY OBVIOUS difference in quality in the art between the two books), I'm tempted to think that Azz & Rizz mailed it in re: Batman. Or maybe Risso was trying to shamelessly expose his FM influence.

Anyway, the Superman arc, so far, is interesting. The pacing is a bit strange, and the one-liners Azzarello's so fond of (& rightfully so!) seem a bit clunky and out-of-place when part of an exchange between a priest & Big Red regarding heroic guilt and planetary cataclysms. But, yeah, so far, it's Superman "confessing" to a priest re: trying to find the cause for a worldwide missing-persons cosmic event (which, of course, included Lois). It's a slow burn, for sure, but interesting nonetheless, if you've the patience to see where the story's going.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 15:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the IDC thing works, but it stood out for me only in relation to the S/B captions. I think a lot of characters are more effective when we don't know what they're thinking all the time and Meltzer seemed to make good choices. Elongated Man's thoughts were important during the first half, and Green Arrow's were pointed during the second. I really liked the way that Batman wasn't seen in the issue (though I'm pretty sure he WAS at the funeral, possibly as Jim Gordon). I think Batman is one of those characters who is more effective the less you see him.

Are the Superman storylines back to being contained within one title? If they are, I'd be more willing to read some of them. I remember when they really started going hard, putting extra numbers on the covers and you suddenly had to buy every issue of every title and I think that's probably one of the things that burned me out on comics. Too much work for not enough payoff (storywise).

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 15:47 (twenty-one years ago)

I THINK they're going for contained stories now - Action Comics is doing this whole (seemingly silly) smash bang Gog Sodom Gammorah stuff, Adventures of Superman has Lois embedded with some Iraq invasion-type batallion while her hubby's toiling w/ some new-fangled super-baddy, & Superman proper is doing the whole "where'd everybody go?" thing.

Funny you should mention THE DIAMOND - the Batman family is diving ass-first into a super-annoying, super-clunky summer/fall crossover. Wooooooooo.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that's really too bad, because Batman by nature really lends himself to the kind of smaller stories that I really like.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

the Batman family is diving ass-first into a super-annoying, super-clunky summer/fall crossover. Wooooooooo.

Yeah, I've only heard a tiny bit about it but I'm planning on ignoring the whole thing nonetheless.

Meanwhile though, the current Judd Winnick arc is the most solid Batman story in like a year and a half, shocker!

(Btw, I stopped by the comic shop on the way to getting sushi for lunch and got the new issue of The Walking Dead in addition to the stuff listed above)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Jordan - did you notice any qualitative difference between Risso's art in the Batman arc vs. his 100 Bullets work? The Frank Millery sketchiness of his work on Batman really put me off, but after reading the last 2 issues of 100 Bullets (& noting the VERY OBVIOUS difference in quality in the art between the two books), I'm tempted to think that Azz & Rizz mailed it in re: Batman. Or maybe Risso was trying to shamelessly expose his FM influence.

I didn't think the artwork was bad per se, but definitely Millerish and different from what I've seen of 100 Bullets. My main complaint was how the plot degenerated into compressed crime novel gibberish after the first couple issues. The first issue was brilliant though, it had the best one-liners and the 'Batman cooking a steak' scene.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 17:11 (twenty-one years ago)

How does Batman eat his steak?

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)


Detective Allen (on phone): What are you doing?
Batman: Grilling.
Allen: Who?
Batman: A steak.
Allen: You cook?
Batman: No, I grill. It helps me relax.
Allen: Grilling a steak to relax? But a prime piece of meat has to be just right, not under--or God forbid--overdone. It is, and there's no sauce known to mankind--or the French--that can hide the fact the chef's to blame. That makes a steak the most stressful thing to cook, you know?
Batman: I know.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 17:18 (twenty-one years ago)

wtf?
When did Batman get so chatty?

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha I bet you Bruce Wayne barbecues with electroshock paddles and brass knuckles.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, he only said twelve words. It would have been better if he was eating ice cream in front of the tv, though.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Wearing bat slippers.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

and scratching his balls.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 17:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Bat balls, Huck. Bat balls.

Before I forget, I have to give props to Millarworld for this thread idea. Millarworld - they're kooky, but alright.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Batrobe?

We were pretty good about doing the weekly update threads in the beginning, I think, so thanks for ending the slacking off.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Thank my mind-numbing job, J.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm so bored at work this afternoon that I'm seriously contemplating reading the comics I bought today (butthatwouldbewrong).

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

I'M so bored at work that I might gank a bit earlier than I should to zoom down to the comic emporium & grab my stash, even though I really don't have the moolah for it (andyesthatwouldbewrong) (butintherightestway).

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I've just got the one comic I care about, so I probably won't go get it this week, lest I be tempted to buy more trades.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

This is the part of the thread where we enable each other's geeky addiction.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:42 (twenty-one years ago)

I really want to read the Golden Age. And Archer's Quest. And The Last Will and Testament of Hal Jordan.
The last two are still only in hardcover and the first, well, I've never actually seen it in a shop and so would require special ordering and, uh, the shame.
"I'm sorry, the wares you carry in your establishment do not meet my geekological criterion."

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Amazon perhaps?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Sproing!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

- a DOUBLE-SIZED issue of Queen & Country

See all the white in the background of this thread?

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

(too bad I'm still a tpb-whore when it comes to Q&C)

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 21:32 (twenty-one years ago)

See all the white in the background of this thread?

I don't get it, Leee.

(too bad I'm still a tpb-whore when it comes to Q&C)

Me too. I got through all the ones that are out, and since I'm too lazy to hunt down the rest of the issues that would catch me up (and then I'd probably have to BAG them, ugh), I decided to just let the trades come to me. Same with Daredevil.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Leeee had a Q&Cgasm.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah. I...see.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 23 June 2004 23:49 (twenty-one years ago)

For me, it's not because of having to hunt down the newer issues, but that Q&C (and in fact most Rucka titles*) absolutely must be read in a continuous sitting. If I simply bought the issues and sat on them till the completion of the arc -- I can't do that, I'm way too much a fan to have that sort of patience.

*possible exception being Gotham Central, now with its cute "Previously on..." thing. Wearing its Homicide: Life On The Streets love on its sleeve!

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 24 June 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Gotham Central is the other one that I decided to wait for trades on. I think if I start reading something in complete arcs, it's really hard to go back to single issues. Conversely, I can't imagine ceasing to buy the singles for Fables or Y in favor of the trades.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 June 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, it's now patently obvious that Astonishing is going to be all about Kitty vs Emma. This gives me hope for the series. (Conversely Hank's storyline is making me yawn and roll my eyes.)

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Oooh, Gotham Central is another title that I almost buy regularly.

Huk-El (Horace Mann), Thursday, 24 June 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, there's Emma vs. Kitty, Logan vs. Cyclops, and Beast vs. himself (& him wanting to reverse his mutation seems to be a logical extention / end result of the identity crises he went through during GM's run). They could have Emma & Scott shop for bathroom fixtures for 6 months, as long as John Cassaday's doing the drawring.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 24 June 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Hank's storyline has already happened at least once before, maybe twice (I can't remember if the original "WILL SOMEONE RID ME OF THIS BLUENESS" storyline was confined to The Avengers or if it happened in X-Men as well). Scott & Logan fighting over Jean has also happened about 8 million times before, too.

The Scott & Emma dynamic is pretty interesting although it seems like an excuse to make Scott spineless.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 14:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Like he already wasn't?!

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 June 2004 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, duh, yeah, Scott & Logan have duked it out many a time (well, not really "duke it out"; maybe scowl & trade quips & hollow threats; the only fist-throwing I can recall happened in Ultimate X-Men), and the Beast thing, too (tho I think that was in Avengers - he actually WAS turned back to "human", too, until some issue of X-Factor). I think the Beast thing NOW, though, is that his mutation is, um, mutating - he's becoming more feral, more beast-like (what w/ the hind legs & the snout & getting "dumber"), so him going to the doctor @ the end isn't so much about "get rid of the fur" as it is "get rid of EVERYTHING".

And, yeah, what Jordan said - even after GM actually made him interesting, he's still riddled w/ doubt & insecurities & all of that when he's not taking charge in field ops.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 24 June 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The most interesting take on Scott to date was the desperately unhinged dude from early X-Factor who almost blew Jean's head off in a desperate attempt to prove that she was actually The Phoenix.

I hadn't noticed Hank getting dumber, but even THAT plotline's already happened (see early X-Factor circa the initial Apocalypse storyline).

On the whole, I'd rather read plotlines I haven't seen before as opposed to variations on things that have happened before and I'd rather read about new character dynamics rather than escalated versions of old ones. Replacing Wolverine and Beast with (for example) Dani and Roberto would make this book much more interesting to me.

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Ha - I think the "Hank r dumb" story lead to the "Hank b furry again" story. Serendipidydoodah.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:37 (twenty-one years ago)

And speaking of stuff that's not related to the X-Men:

- Leeeee, the new issue of The Goon (#7) guest stars Hellboy, & features a few pages by your boy Mignola. Giant spiders are punched, & giant squidballoons are scaled and punctured. Fun stuff.
- I'm really enjoying the Superman, even if the disappearing's barely addressed, and The Fourth Rail are spot-on in comparing the super-baddie to a previous Authority psychopath.
- I am SO HAPPY that Bart Sears is getting replaced on Priest's Captain America title; half of the art was unaesthetically sketchy, and the half that wasn't chicken-scratched was saddled with dopey framing devices (Cap on the side of the page cutting into the panel; a giant fist at the center of four panels). Also, boobs. Priest's plots are confusing enough (in an enjoyable, gotta reread that way); I don't need the artiste to rediscover themselves in the process of negotiating Priest's twists & turns.
- Greg Rucka = slow burn. Works very well on Wonder Woman, doesn't work so well on Wolverine. And, of course, shop had no Q&C = my screen isn't so white.
- I'm withholding judgement on the re-emergence of Gwen Stacy (in spirit) in the newest issue of Amazing Spider-Man until A) the end of this "earth shattering" arc or B) F*CK!NG LUDICROUS CLONAGE.

This is only one smidgen of what I snagged, of course - I even bought the newest Previews. I have no shame (or $$$).

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 24 June 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Speaking of Mignola, I introduced my cat to Hellboy.

http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~amgreene/newpics/beepercomic.jpg

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 24 June 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Cute!

- Greg Rucka = slow burn.

Don't forget Adventurs of Superman. I'm giving it a chance till something actually happens, but it's been flat boring so far.

Leeefuse 73 (Leee), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I missed the first 2 issues of AoS - the last one was enjoyable, though, yeah, not much happened (a little slap-fight, a little come-on, some sand in Lois' saddle). One man's "nothing happened" is another's "measured pacing".

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 24 June 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)


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