I've been told it comes out this Thursday, and if any single issue this year deserves it's own thread, it's gotta be this one. I'm PSYCHED.
― Mordy, Monday, 26 May 2008 07:26 (sixteen years ago) link
Most overdue, drawn-out not-bad comic of the year.
― James Morrison, Monday, 26 May 2008 07:53 (sixteen years ago) link
If Kitty bites it, I'm swearing off Whedon forever. Just letting you all know in advance.
― Mordy, Monday, 26 May 2008 09:43 (sixteen years ago) link
Also, if Kitty bites it - I'm pitching a DC/Marvel crossover. "Kitty + Death (from Sandman) Team-Up." Hell, I might just write the crossover whether or not I get approval. Just imagine Didi/Death and Kitty going on afterlife adventures. It would be bitchin.
― Mordy, Monday, 26 May 2008 09:44 (sixteen years ago) link
Thank god.
― Mordy, Friday, 30 May 2008 05:38 (sixteen years ago) link
SPOILER
http://www.jewcy.com/post/buffy_auteur_joss_whedon_didnt_kill_jewish_x_man_kitty_pryde
― Mordy, Friday, 30 May 2008 05:46 (sixteen years ago) link
Is that you? It's pretty good. But it's possible that you're making the mistake of assuming that what you read when you were a teenager is what teenagers now read - I doubt the kids give much of a fuck about the X-Men anymore.
(Also it's my recollection that it was Colossus who 'gave it up')
a strong, funny, female Jewish X-Men
Yeah, but four of these are much more visible than the other one - I didn't know she was of that faith until I read this (though I only really started reading X-Men with Morrison)
But when I have children, I'd like there to be a Member of the Tribe around when they start reading comic books.
Kitty may well not be, but it's a safe bet that Benjamin J Grimm will.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 May 2008 09:19 (sixteen years ago) link
I didn't know Kitty was Jewish. Has this always been so, or was it a retcon? Because I don't remember seeing any references to her being Jewish back when I was reading X-Men in the eighties and early nineties.
(x-post)
― Tuomas, Friday, 30 May 2008 09:22 (sixteen years ago) link
I am pretty sure she's wearing a Star of David in one of her very early Claremont/Byrne appearances. And a couple of dialogue references - at some point she gets a big scene shaming a mutant-hating mob and makes a reference to jew-bashing and her relatives.
― Groke, Friday, 30 May 2008 11:36 (sixteen years ago) link
There were numerous references to Kitty being Jewish all through Claremont's run and beyond, Tuomas.
― Deric W. Haircare, Friday, 30 May 2008 11:38 (sixteen years ago) link
I accept Harvey Pekar's position that Superman is a half-assimilated Yid.
― Oilyrags, Friday, 30 May 2008 12:27 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, Kitty's Jewishness has always been central to her character.
Here's my impression of Joss Whedon in Giant Size Astonishing X-Men #1:
Waaaaaaaaaah! She’s mine! Mine! You can’t have her! MINE! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
(breaks toy in half)
― Mr. Perpetua, Friday, 30 May 2008 12:38 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, that's my article. Also - her Jewishness is much more on display in Ultimate Spider-Man than in the canon stuff. Which slightly undermines my argument. After all, does it really matter whether my kids are reading USM or CANON? (Probably not.) Also, I thought about Grimm, but to be honest - until I read that he was Jewish in the Forward, I never was able to piece that together myself.
― Mordy, Friday, 30 May 2008 13:30 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, but (I could be setting myself up for embarrassment here) you could also have read Astonishing X-Men (which is I get the impression her main canon exposure in the last five years) and missed the fact as well.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 May 2008 13:54 (sixteen years ago) link
(During which time the Thing has had a second Bar Mitzvah)
I'm not actually saying "this character should be more important to your view of jewishness in comics", just thinking of counterexamples because it's lunchtime
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 May 2008 13:56 (sixteen years ago) link
The thing is, I'm not sure if I'm too heartbroken about Kitty being taken out of play, especially in the shambles that is the current X-Franchise, for any reason other than that it makes Colossus a pretty boring character again. Colossus is just this emo dullard without Kitty, and giving him yet another fucking thing to mourn about is NOT good!
― Mr. Perpetua, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:02 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, Andrew. I agree Kitty's Jewishness wasn't as important to Whedon as it's been to other authors (like Bendis, for one). But I think her exposure in USM has been just as large, if not as consistent (since it actually comes out with some regularity).
― Mordy, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:06 (sixteen years ago) link
so what was causing all the heroes to drool and fantasize about saving the world, again?
― Jordan, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:54 (sixteen years ago) link
The bullet's anti-magic force field, I guess? That was pretty lame.
― Mordy, Friday, 30 May 2008 14:55 (sixteen years ago) link
Yeah, it seemed like there was a missing dialogue box or something to explain that.
Wasn't there a scene somewhere around the first JRJr run where Magneto and Kitty go to a Holocaust survivors' get-together? My memory of this is really hazy.
So Kitty has been taken out of play in a way that stops just short of killing her. Given that the run has been premised on a character coming back from what was visibly a straight-up death, it's hard to take this too seriously. Plus, the whole idea of her cruising through the universe as the Planet-Crushing Bullet for the rest of time is ludicrous & goofy. But somehow my eyes still got watery reading this comic..
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 1 June 2008 05:39 (sixteen years ago) link
The bullet passing through the city double-page spread was the most amazing comic book image I've seen so far this year. I just kept staring at it.
― Mordy, Sunday, 1 June 2008 06:42 (sixteen years ago) link
All the stuff with the superheroes in New York really reminded me of 80s comics - in a good way - things like the Casket of Ancient Winters sequence in Thor, when suddenly everyone else turns up to help because, dude, they just WOULD DO. It was nice to see a primary-coloured, helpful, unified Marvel U for the first time in ages.
I couldn't tell which Breakworld dude was which though really, or what was going on with Ord, or anything like that. Did Danger end up being important at all?
I liked the Kitty thing - obviously she'll be back but it's forcing whoever brings her back to think a bit about how.
Good series, on the whole: not the be-all and end-all of x-dom but a fun, sometimes goofy story well told, occasional pacing issues aside.
― Groke, Sunday, 1 June 2008 09:41 (sixteen years ago) link
the ship bringing the other dudes to help = danger, possibly
you'd think they'd have had enough time for someone to red-pen the script a bit, really
― thomp, Sunday, 1 June 2008 10:37 (sixteen years ago) link