Most Excited You've Been Between Issues aka BEST CLIFFHANGERS EVER!

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I am asking this because I can vividly remember the moment I got hooked on cliffhangers. The OMG!!!! rush of the cliffhanger is the one thing that is very very hard to get out of serious or art comics. TV doesn't even do it much (24 aside). I have always liked the British hammer-it-home approach to them with a last-page/panel shocker more than what I see as the more subtle American method.

Anyway the strip in question was Slaine, early 400s of 2000AD, just after I started buying. Slaine was in an Alien Battle Arena (rarely a bad thing) and was told he was to fight the "Type III Orgot". Cue GARSPS from his fellow gladiators - "The Type II killed a whole squad of guards before they could get it back in its pen!" - Close up on Slaine's tuff face!!

Looking back this is a feeble cliffhanger - the peril is told not shown and you know perfectly well that even a Type XXX orgot would be dispatched rapidly, it's not like they're the main villain. But I was totally excited for the entire next week!

Share your cliffhanger tales here!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 February 2004 10:15 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW I reckon what Alan Moore and the whole British Invasion post-Moore crew brought to American comics wasn't so much a literary sensibility or even a punky disrespect but an approach to pacing, suspense, tension learned from cranking out 4-6 pagers in the weeklies.* It's no coincidence that Neil Gaiman, the most boring thoughtful writer to emerge from that scene was the only one who had never done a regular strip on 2000.

*of course you can take this too far - Mark Millar's stuff has always seemed way too terse for me, kind of like the stories you write in junior school when every sentence begins "And then..."

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 February 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Vic Fluro's Ultimate Futureshock to thread.

I have no real answer to this. I was exposed to the internet before I started reading "proper" comics, and there was always more than enough answers to remove the tension.

Also it's easier to maintain excitement over a week than a month, obv.

I don't think I've ever been as excited about a comic than before the first issue of The Invisibles. Though the last issues of volumue 1 of that fine comic had some fine "And now we're all FuXoRed" moments.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 13 February 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually now we have the space on FT we really should digitise the Ultimate Futureshock!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 February 2004 11:58 (twenty-one years ago)

The cliffhanger at the end of Ministry Of Space #2 (where Dashwood got the money from) has kept me excited for 3 years now. I think I'll almost feel let down when I find out the answer in a couple of months...

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 13 February 2004 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, I've only really had the money/means to keep up with serials in the past couple years. As a kid, however, I did watch the 60's Batman tv show, which always had classic cliffhangers ("Next week! Same BAT time! Same BAT channel!"). I think they would usually show the next episode right away though.

For recent comics, the Xorn unmasking in New X-Men was pretty great in terms of "How's he going to explain THIS one?" In contrast, the big asteroid explosion a couple issues later was in the classic cliffhanger style but contained zero suspense (yeah, Wolvie and Jean just got blown up, right).

There have also been some good ones on the more 'arc-oriented' sci-fi tv shows, like Farscape and Babylon 5.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

"In contrast, the big asteroid explosion a couple issues later was in the classic cliffhanger style but contained zero suspense..."

WHAT? Granted, it was a given that they weren't going to die, but the way it was done was magnificent and audacious. If you're going to put characters that will not die in perilous situations, you might as well put them in completely despairing situations that require some serious deus-ex-machina work - yeah, yeah, shoot, stab, decapitate, whatever, but throw them into the sun? For the record, my enjoyment of that moment came when I noticed the little Phoenix symbol in the close-ups of Jean's eyes. I think I acutally said, "Holy shit this is so cool!" aloud when I realized this.

By the way, I can't see how something can be in the "classic cliffhanger style" if it contains "zero suspense", unless you're talking about iterations on the damsel + train + moustache scenarios that don't show any sort of imagination or cojones.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I just thought it was predictable once I saw the set-up, it seemed like the Phoenix force was the only option for the deus ex machina.

You're right, what I said is oxymoronic, I just meant that he was going for a classic cliffhanger but it just didn't work for me. This is all in hindsight though, as I did enjoy reading all the stuff that came afterwards with them hanging out on the station waiting to die.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

How about the Doom Patrol where the Candlemaker squishes Robotman's brain and beheads Niles Caulder? Or hacking off Animal Man's arm in the first issue? Morrison is the king of that fuck-how-does-he-write-himself-out-of-this-one-type-cliffhanger.

Recently, LXG #5 (Vol 2), springs to mind...

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm actually working on a website right now to get Beatniks up on the web, so scanning in the Ultimate Future Shock might be the way to go.

Best cliffhanger in recent memory is the Magneto/Xorn thing. I can't think of one that really compares... but all-time favourite is probably Bad Company. "If it'll make you more comfortable, I'll go on like that. If not, I'll explain.... everything." Genius.

Vic Fluro, Friday, 13 February 2004 19:17 (twenty-one years ago)

TV doesn't even do it much (24 aside).

Actually cliffhangers are standard in American TV nowadays, if not from episode to episode (e.g. 24 and Alias), then in the season finale. It's not a wholly recent movement, either, since the earliest cliffhanger I remember was ST: TNG's "Best of Both Worlds" two-parter. (Also see "Who Shot JR?")

Leee Majors (Leee), Friday, 13 February 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Heh sorry Leee thats what I meant by "much" - one episode out of, what, 20? Or maybe two if there's a two-parter? It's hardly Dr Who now is it!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Saturday, 14 February 2004 10:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I'll have to say the Xorn one, because it was the most "BLIMEY!" thing I've read in a very long time.

errrr... I am now struggling to think of any other cliffhangers whatsoever. Brains gone... can't feel 'em.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 14 February 2004 20:04 (twenty-one years ago)

by the way, the above mentioned Future Shock is the best thing I've read in 2000AD since the late '80s.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 14 February 2004 20:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I've just remembered the last issue of "Warrior" comic. "V For Vendetta" was in it, and it ended on a cliffhanger because the mag folded. Evey had just discovered that the prison she was being held in was a fake prison, and that the person who had held her and tortured her was none other than V HIMSELF! I waitied a million years to discover how V would talk himself out of that one, and the ease with which he did so is perhaps one reason why I don't have the reverence for "V For Vendetta" that so many others do.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 14 February 2004 20:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The penultimate episode of Skizz. I'm pretty sure I've mentioned this on ILE before. Cannily the only episode that ends on the centre spread of 2000AD - the one reserved for the 2 pages of colour for Judge Dredd every week. The break into colour and the spectacle of what happens totally did me in - I do believe it made me cry.

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 16 February 2004 10:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't BELIEVE you've not mentioned the (I think) penultimate episode of "Dead Man" when it turned out he'd been Judge Dredd ALL ALONG!!!

WHAT? EH? BUT?!?!

Man AlIVE i was flummoxed all week waiting to find out how the HECK that had happened, it was FANTASTIC!

MJ Hibbett, Wednesday, 18 February 2004 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not saying I'd totally guessed it was JD, but I'm pretty sure there was a "is this JD?" question all along (as it was explicitly the cursed earth), and yes it was great. was it linked to the bloodline story?

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 19 February 2004 10:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I was surprised too MJ - you are too clever for Tharg and his droids Alan!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 19 February 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

it wasn't "oh, this is JD fo sure" but "could this be JD, could it?"

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 20 February 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Can someone explain the Dead/Dredd thing as I never read it and it sounds fun.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 20 February 2004 22:14 (twenty-one years ago)

It's all a bit complicated really - in the regular Judge Dredd strip, for AGES, they'd occasionally had stories where JD started to doubt what he was doing, especially in a BRILLIANT story where he went for a chat with his mentor, who advised him to get tighter boots to take his mind off it... anyway, it all ended up with him getting a TEAR SOAKED letter from a ORPHAN, so he took the Long Walk into The Cursed Earth. Whilst this was going on the Chief Judge dug up a CLONE to take his place, cos obviously without Judge Dredd Mega City One would go to rack and ruin. HOWEVER, the CLONE they used was a leftover from another mega-epic about The Judda, who tried to take over the city and be even ROUGHER on the populace.

Er... yeah, so this Possibly Naughty clone had been through the justice system, but at the end they said "Ooh, you are too Possibly Naughty, here, prove you're actually GOOD by killing yrself with this lethal injection". So, he did. But it wasn't lethal, they all had a good laugh about it, and put him SECRETLY back onto the Streets as the new Judge Dredd. Whoo!

Unfortunately then The Sisters Of Nastiness (um...), who had created The Dark Judges turned up, perverted all the judges (espec. New Judge Dredd), turned mega city one into NECROPOLIS, killed MILLIONS of people and brought The Dark Judges back... whoo!

While all THAT was going on, Judge Dredd had got HORRIBLY BURNT and lost his memory in The Cursed Earth. He met some blind kid, and together they went on a voyage of discovery, culminating in him finding his badge and realising who he was, then going back to MC1 and KICKING SOME ARSES.

HOWEVER, the way it was told, we had NO IDEA what was going on - "Dead Man" was a seperate story, drawn by John Ridgway so DIFFERENT looking, which ran at the same time as JD was being discontented in his regular strip, so the build up to the long walk in the main story only began AFTER "Dead Man" had got to the big reveal. THUS, for me anyway, you had NO IDEA it was going to turn out to be Judge Dredd, and when the front page promised to reveal "Who is The Dead Man?" of a Saturday morning and you RUSHED through to the final panel, it was ONE HELL OF A SHOCKER.

It was ACE. And when it was all over Judge Dredd walked around with the lower half of his face STILL mutilated, SCARING CHILDREN for a few months. GRATE!


MJ Hibbett, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds brilliant.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 24 February 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Nice precis MJ! I'm sure to non-Squaxx it sounds like utter madness.

I remember feeling really pissed off when they first did that "I'm your replacement" story with the clone... luckily by the time all the Dead Man stuff started happening it was fairly obvious that this one would go the way of all other Dredd clones and turn evil. HUZZAH.

I reckon the New Rico Dredd might turn out okay, especially as Gordon Rennie seems to be setting up some New Giant/New Dredd partnership...

Vic Fluro, Tuesday, 24 February 2004 16:50 (twenty-one years ago)

That sounds amazing. Is it collected anywhere?

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 26 February 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah there was a Dead Man collection that Titan Books in the UK put out, and a big Necropolis collection too (BUT Necropolis itself is RUBBISH compared to its amazing build up). I'm not totally sure how well the collections would read as a whole though.

By the way Vic F is well on the galactic groats about that Bad Company cliffhanger - really spine-tingling stuff.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 26 February 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually have the Dead Man collection at home - AND HAVE NEVER READ IT.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 27 February 2004 10:54 (twenty-one years ago)

poss reason i entertained the possibility it wuz dredd and youze all didnae = I WAS 20 for gods sake. I went back to my prog stash to look for the Deadman stories and I think I must have thrown em all at some point. it trails off just after the logo redesign in 88. i had it in my head that deadman was 86/87 not 89/90. I wasn't even a regular reader at that point, i'd kind of given up getting it at college (and discovered the existence of americang comics, and watchmen and swamp thing by then) but I DO remember following deadman, so it must have been good. :-(

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 1 March 2004 12:27 (twenty-one years ago)

guide to JD stories http://www.2000ad.nu/linksproject/index.php3?zone=thrill&page=dredd2

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Monday, 1 March 2004 14:06 (twenty-one years ago)


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