Should I give Preacher another shot?

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I read the first two trades of Preacher and returned them to my comic seller. When he asked me why I didn't like it, I think I used words like "vile" and "disgusting". I still get flack about not finishing it, everyone keeps saying it's "soooooo good". Should I give it another try? What does everyone else think about the series? Did they like it or hate it?

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:08 (twenty-two years ago)

The vileness and disgustingness is one of the things that's OK about it, cause Ennis can do those with a certain panache. Ennis' extended meditations/illustrations of 'masculinity', 'friendship' etc. I liked a lot less. Like all Ennis stuff it boils down to his own fantasies about being a badass: OK every superhero comic is like this too and at least he's honest about it but it doesn't neccessarily make for great reading. I gave up well before the end - Vic Fluro tells me that it got extremely rubbish plotwise though so you're probably best off out of it.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I think it got better as it went on, although there are certain detours in the plot which drag it down at points. For me, Preacher is his best work precisely because all the vile Ennis stuff is balanced out by sympathetic characters and what I see as very honest views of friendship, love, etc.

I thought the end was just fine, the last issue is great actually. You know he's doing something interesting when I felt most sorry for Starr, who by the end was ostensibly the main villain (besides God).

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, and how great is it that one of the main characters is a vampire, but it's a completely secondary, near-irrelevant aspect of his character save for about 4-5 issues in the series.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Ain't it Cool talks about the Preacher script:

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=16977

Found via Comic Book Resources.

Since the movie is loosely based on the two trades, I'd be interested to see it. I just hope it's not going to be a piece of "dogshit" that this Moriarty guy says it's going to be.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Friday, 13 February 2004 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Got bogged down in lots of philosophising about what it IS to be a REAL MAN etc. Too many issues where nothing happened, and the ending is just diabolical.

Vic Fluro, Friday, 13 February 2004 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Diabolical good or diabolical bad?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 13 February 2004 19:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I do like the ending, it's quite poignant aside from the acknowledged cliche part.

As a whole, I liked it, it didn't blow my sox off, but as Tico and Vic say, there was too much of Ennis's "Here's a real mensch" in Custer, which pushed the series towards a flatter space in my mind.

The filthiness was juvenile, though. I laughed in spite of myself.

Leee Majors (Leee), Friday, 13 February 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Preacher was great to read as issues but in retrospect it wasn't much cop. The main problem with it was that while the characters and their interaction were entertaining, the actual storyline (all that Genesis shite) was a load of old cobblers.

Still, the story features many great moments, of which the Chunt Brothers has to be a particular favourite.

DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 14 February 2004 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

I do remember a lot of good moments... but as a whole I just remember it as 60-however issues of boring car hourneys and 'Oh, we're in NEW YORK it is a FAIRYTALE do you see, like the POGUES.'

"100 good bits in Preacher" might be a thread worth doing...

Vic Fluro, Saturday, 14 February 2004 22:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe we should stick to 10 of them eh?

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Sunday, 15 February 2004 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Or perhaps 3.

Vic Fluro, Sunday, 15 February 2004 14:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I sat down and read them all in about three days, and I think it holds up much better if you do it in a big run like that. I can see lots of the main plotline getting lost over half a year or so of subplot or background.

In a space of three days everything seemed fairly tightly packed.

August (August), Sunday, 15 February 2004 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Overrated, but his Punisher gets top marks for the "Best Comic I Only Read in the Store" Award.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Sunday, 15 February 2004 20:46 (twenty-two years ago)

The bizarre thing was that the end of the comic was all about how there is nothing in the world that a friend cannot overlook in another friend ... except a man who hits women. Or has ever hit a woman. That (rather than, say, being a vampire for 100 years) is the irredeemable black spot on Cassidy's soul.

I really really liked the Fairytale of New York bit, particularly the speech at the end about the first day of the Empire State, but I am a sentimental old bollix at times.

Completely classic: "If I have a face like an arse, then so be it! I will become... ARSEFACE!". If you don't find that page funny, the books is simply not for you.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Arseface. That was so wrong.

When the guys at the comic shop heard I returned the trades, they were like, "Did you get to the part where TC fucks the chicken??!?!" Like that was magically supposed to make me say, "... Oh YEAH!! That was hilarious! [smack on forehead] What was I thinking returning this precious gem of storytelling?!"

Reading people's comments makes me realize I made the right decision for me: Preacher just isn't my cup of tea.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Tuesday, 17 February 2004 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Completely classic: "If I have a face like an arse, then so be it! I will become... ARSEFACE!". If you don't find that page funny, the books is simply not for you.

wasn't it actually "Suh whuh uhf uh huv uh fuh luh un uhs, uh wuh bucuh UHSFUH!"?

DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 18:45 (twenty-two years ago)

More drool, Vicar.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 February 2004 19:57 (twenty-two years ago)

two months pass...
Well, yeah, Preacher isn't for everyone. It's violent, full of language, and there is that little chicken sex moment...

But, really, if you can't look past that and see the intelligent, powerful story-line, then please stick with Sonic the Hedgehog.

... ahem. No offence.

Dre Weed, Sunday, 18 April 2004 23:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, but I think DV upthread has it right on the money re: the "powerful" and "intelligent" storyline...

Chris F. (servoret), Monday, 19 April 2004 01:50 (twenty-one years ago)

i like how ennis starts the thing with the time of the preacher theme, d'you think perhaps he changed his mind UTTERLY about how the plot went halfway through or so?

tom west (thomp), Monday, 19 April 2004 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm enjoying it. Not sure about the "gay cop" plotline in the first trade, though. Kind of sub-"Cruising" stuff there.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 19 April 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

there is an undercurrent of homophobia to Preacher that from time to time becomes less of an undercurrent.

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 19 April 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh dear. Well that is kind of a shame. I was hoping that was a one-off.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 19 April 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

I enjoyed Preacher while it ran - well, all except for one six month stretch when Jesse was a Sherriff and Ennis indulged his Western fantasies and it came off more like an episode of the A-Team - but have never felt any inclination to go back and reread the back issues. I've never thought about this until now.

It was obviously Ennis' magnum opus. He put everything into it and you could tell he loved it much more than any of his other work. But someone upthread was OTM when they said it was just him and his fantasies about being a badass. It became a tad too lecturing in its determination to define what was "right" (being a man, standing by your friends, telling the truth) and what was "wrong" (running a secret global religious organisation?).

And it was his excuse to work his homages to everything he loved - Westerns, War movies, road movies - into his own work. This can work with a lot of pop culture - Quentin Tarantino does it successfully, for one. But Ennis just regurgitated what he liked without illuminating it, without revising it, without exploring it. The Bill Hicks guest appearance really made me cringe at the time.
And the story was essentially silly and really dragged out. But it did have some great genre moments - the Saint of Killers taking on Starr's army...
And Steve Dillon's art was always good.
Now that I think of it, I prefer their work on Hellblazer.....

David Nolan (David N.), Monday, 19 April 2004 23:37 (twenty-one years ago)

it seems ewing doesn't like ANY of the vertigo magnum opus thingies

he may just have a point, though.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 00:04 (twenty-one years ago)

DON"T RUIN IT FOR ME I'VE ONLY JUST FINISHED THE FIRST BOOK!!!


:)


Or I could just not read this thread.

Only...I have to.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 20 April 2004 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

The homophobia does appear to be somewhat more than simply "recurring", doesn't it? I mean, the idea of Armadillo buggery is fairly amusing in its own right, but Ennis seems to have a kind of strange take on homosexual lifestyles. Also not sure about Jesse's tirade about insecurity versus "taking it up the arse".

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:10 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, i don't remember either of those |:

tom west (thomp), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Rings a vague bell, I don't remember specifics. All I remember is that none of the homosexual-ish characters ended up very well at all (Starr, those detectives (WTF), more I can't remember). Inbreeding is portrayed very positively though.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 3 May 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

How either of you cannot remember an armadillo being primed for anal sex and delivered on a silver platter is beyond me. What fascinating lives you must lead.

On the other hand, maybe you just read a lot of comics.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I have this sick feeling in my stomach; maybe I really should finish the series after all... No wait, it's just indigestion. Whew!

"an armadillo being primed for anal sex and delivered on a silver platter"

At least I know what I'm missing.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Monday, 3 May 2004 17:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, it's a lot of that sort of thing.

Ennis' obvious love of American culture is very charming though. He reminds me of myself. But vaguely homophobic. Preacher often reminds me of Barry Gifford, which is a good thing.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

when does the armadillo get primed for anal sex? I wish I was not so jaded that I was able to remember this. Was it in the boring Jesus De Sade party episodes?

DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 3 May 2004 20:17 (twenty-one years ago)

yes.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 20:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I guess it's a minor detail in the grand scheme of things, but it does strike me as particularly outre'.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Monday, 3 May 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

Ennis wrote an "On The Ledge" when Preacher started (which vague memory tells me split an entire page with one by Grant Morrison about The Invisibles) which mentioned that he had just finished writing issue 11, where someone buggers an Armadillo.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 3 May 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for clearing that up, Andrew.

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 4 May 2004 01:09 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

I finished Preacher last night. I think the series was great and one of the craziest collection of characters in a comic. I laughed out loud quite a few times reading through the series.

"That's a big fxxxin' snake."

They didn't leave anything too open either in the end, although I would have maybe liked to see a side story with a bit more back story about Arseface's manager and maybe Conan Quincannon, who was kind of thrown into the story at the end.

Odin Quincannon cracked me up, every time I saw him speak I heard it spoken in my mind with Ross Perot's voice.

earlnash, Friday, 9 November 2007 22:52 (eighteen years ago)

I enjoyed Preacher while it ran

This is still probably the most accurate thing to say about this. It is mostly fun while you read it, but in retrospect you think "jesus, what was a I doing?". Earlash is also right, in that it does have some very chortlesome moments and characters.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Saturday, 10 November 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

six years pass...

I enjoyed Preacher while it ran - well, all except for one six month stretch when Jesse was a Sherriff and Ennis indulged his Western fantasies and it came off more like an episode of the A-Team - but have never felt any inclination to go back and reread the back issues. I've never thought about this until now.
It was obviously Ennis' magnum opus. He put everything into it and you could tell he loved it much more than any of his other work. But someone upthread was OTM when they said it was just him and his fantasies about being a badass. It became a tad too lecturing in its determination to define what was "right" (being a man, standing by your friends, telling the truth) and what was "wrong" (running a secret global religious organisation?).

And it was his excuse to work his homages to everything he loved - Westerns, War movies, road movies - into his own work. This can work with a lot of pop culture - Quentin Tarantino does it successfully, for one. But Ennis just regurgitated what he liked without illuminating it, without revising it, without exploring it. The Bill Hicks guest appearance really made me cringe at the time.
And the story was essentially silly and really dragged out. But it did have some great genre moments - the Saint of Killers taking on Starr's army...
And Steve Dillon's art was always good.
Now that I think of it, I prefer their work on Hellblazer.....

your favourite misread ILX threads (darraghmac), Sunday, 27 July 2014 09:55 (eleven years ago)

just read the lot over a day or two and that's mostly otm

your favourite misread ILX threads (darraghmac), Sunday, 27 July 2014 09:56 (eleven years ago)


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