― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Huck, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Huck, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)
― Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)
Neil Gaiman = Tori Amos and Magnetic Fields, among others.
Who for Peter Milligan? Satire & humor = Frank Zappa (?).
― Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)
Taking the piss or not? U DECIDE!
― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)
Comics is still awaiting its hip-hop. Sadly.
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)
I've always thought Philip Bond's art is hip-hop as fuck, in a graf-writer sense.
Where does manga fit into this?
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)
Well, hell, if we're doing comics as music genres, then that changes a few things.
JLA as comics techno isn't a bad sum-up, really. But I find it more interesting than most techno. I'd still argue that as a personality, Grant Morrison is more comics glam than anything. If Bowie hadn't managed to suck so heartily in the last twenty years, that one would work, whereas Grant's work is steady in terms of quality.
Steranko = Roxy Music. Was there ever a humble "nonelectric" phase where he's concerned?
Dave Gibbons = The Who. Okay, not really, but _The Originals_ will make it seem that way.
Steve Gerber = Randy Newman
Wouldn't Jamie Hewlett be a good candidate for comics hip-hop?
John Byrne = Elvis Costello. Discuss.
― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)
Hip-hop is manga of course, and as I said on the Wedge that makes Image rap-metal (entirely aptly!)
Yeah Grant isn't 'faceless' at all, and there are Morrissey elements in him too (OMG is he MOBY?????????)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)
Image used to be Rap-Metal, now it's MP3.com (or at least, until that got dismantled.)
Oh yes, Mark Millar = Mick Jagger. Martin probably differs, since he actually knows the man, but based on his work and online persona, I'm sticking to my guns.
Neil Gaiman = Kate Bush
― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)
Neil Gaiman = Enya.
Warren Ellis = Autechre(cool hipsterism with lumps of technogeekery)Brian Michael Bendis = Talking Heads (Too clever for his own good)Cerebus = Current 93 (You know you love it really but can't explain why. Eclectic. Kind of folky. About lost love at times. More than a hint of menace. Sometimes unintentionally funny.)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)
I refer you to your own "more than one idea" comment.
I think Neil Gaiman has more than one idea (viz that story about some guy who can't stop having them) but has faulty technology separating the good ones from the bad ones. Because how bad can they be, they're his? (And also he values the ideas and the precision of execution over whether the direction of execution is a good idea)
so NG = Momus.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 August 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)
― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Huck, Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)
Frank Miller = Metallica!
Rose to prominence in the '80s, when they also released their most vital work, became overground celebs in the '90s despite diminishing returns and entrenched irrelevance during the '00s.
Daredevil nos. 168-191 (1981-3) = Kill 'em All (1983)Early-'80s debut that showcased their burgeoning skills and techniques ("Four Hoursemen," Daredevil no. 191), though the production values were weak (garage album production; four-color garishness and archly pungent dialogue).
Ronin (1982-3) = Ride the Lightning (1983)Creative leaps forward, style- and technique-wise.
DKR (1986) = Master of PUppetsPinnacles of their careers, moves their respective genres away from established modalities (hair metal; camp) and recenters the genres around grim and gritty. Tuomas takes offense to the power politics articulated therein.
Batman: Year One (1987) = The $5.98 EP: Garage Days Re-Revisited (1987)Short followup to consensus masterpiece regarded as no less integral, reimagining pre-existing material.
Elektra: Assasin (1986-7) = ...And Justice for All (1988)Ornate, technically proficient, extremely indulgent.
Sin City (1991) = Black Album (1991)Similar color schemes, craft pared down to appeal to wider audiences. For better of for worse, the shark-jumping point.
Sin City sequels = Load and ReloadDerivative, uninspired, image-changing. (See also: Martha Washington.)
DKSA = Garage, Inc.Unnecessary sequel that reinterpreted and cashed in on earlier work.
ASSBATS = St. Anger
Holy Terror = NapsterPoint in which they totally lost all relevance forever.
Corrollary: Klaus Janson = Flemming Rasmussen
― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)
― Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)
― Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)
MICHAEL KUPPERMAN = WEEN
― Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)
― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)
ANOTHER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD:
They're both quite keen on sigils and masturbation (though I think it's unlikely anyone gratified themselves for the purpose of helping Prince's album sales).
― Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)
Britishes stuff = Prince (obscure but promising?)
Animal Man = 1999 (brilliant and sort of out of nowhere?)
JLA = Purple Rain (ambitious and successful, also dated production values)
Invisibles = Sign o' the Times (even more ambitious, darker, also successful, both feature gender play and investigate the connection between the spiritual and the sexxy)
New Adventures of Hitler = Black Album ("controversial", currently not in official release)
????? = Love Symbol Album
Seven Soldiers = Emancipation (sprawling and unconventionally formatted, but worthwhile?)
ASS/Batmorrison = Musicology/3121 (mainstream comeback, pastiching himself and his formative influences more directly than ever before)
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)
'cuz they both wanted to be E. Bloom.
― barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Thursday, 28 September 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)
Hmm, I thought Sin City was a distillation of Miller's craft and themes, not any sort of appeal for bigger audiences. It certainly wasn't as popular as his previous work with Batman and Daredevil, at least not until the film.
I wouldn't call DKSA "unnecessary", it was great fun, and proved Miller can still do good comics when he doesn't take himself too seriously. What was an unnecessary cash-in was the "Daredevil Year One" thing he did with John Romita Jr.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 28 September 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)
Mike Mignola = Lisa GerrardSurveys world folk, tinged with Gothic; retreated from main project to work in movies.
― c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)
― c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)
Wally Wood = Johnny Cash,Hirokai Samura = Mad Capsule Markets,Simon Bisley = Slayer, JRJR = Glen Medeiros x Henry Rollins,
King Kirby = Elvis (the King)
― Eyemelt (Eyemelt), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)
Brian Bolland=The Jam(Very slick and proffessional with subversive undertones)
Dave Sim=Mike Patton(Off the wall, technically very gifted, has spent much of the last ten years with head up own arse with occasional moments of brilliance)
― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Saturday, 30 September 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)
I can't go for Kirby as Elvis. Elvis was an interpreter, and Kirby was a pure creative spark that other people scrambled to incorporate, if not copy. I like the Kirby/James Brown idea.
Steve Englehart = Burt Bacharach(talented, prolific, fans' and critics' darling, foundered for many years after coming down from peak; still working, but never really regained the old spark; needs strong collaborators)
― The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)
Who is Queen?
― chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Saturday, 30 September 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Saturday, 30 September 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)
― Eyemelt (Eyemelt), Sunday, 1 October 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)