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Who matches up with whom? (E.g. oft-cited David Mack-GYBE connection re: "one idea," cachet with certain po-faced hipsterish fans.)

Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 17:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Alex Ross/The Strokes
"Authenticity" is the only thing they bring to the table.

Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Monday, 16 August 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Aww come on... did I get the Strokes wrong or something?

Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Is "Authenticity" the name of a Strokes song?

Huck, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

No, I've just been trying to figure out what Grant Morrison's analogue is for days. I mean in terms of what he actually seems to listen to and literally write about, I would say the Doors or glam-era Bowie (the drugs, the sex, the genderbending, belief in the transformative power of rock & roll, etc.). In terms of his current place in the field though, I have no idea.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

"authenticity" = "credibility" or in Alex Ross's case, "verisimilarity."

Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought that's what you meant, though, I don't equate Ross's verisimilitude with authenticity. Nor was I aware that anyone was accusing the Strokes of authenticity. So, yeah, you did get that one wrong.
Maybe Alex Ross:Lucinda Williams

Huck, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't even know who the Strokes are.

Mr. Tony Plow (Leee), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris Claremont = Heart
Doug Moench = Fleetwood Mac

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Haha, for Claremont I was trying to think of an influential 80s band who made a recent come-back that only made them look out of touch. I don't know, Metallica?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Claremont, was thinking of strong central females in common. '80s, hmm. R.E.M.? I like Metallica more. Michael Jackson w/ his _Hits_?

Neil Gaiman = Tori Amos and Magnetic Fields, among others.

Who for Peter Milligan? Satire & humor = Frank Zappa (?).

Chris Hill (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Chris Claremont = Winger.
Paul Gulacy = Blue Oyster Cult.
Ashley Wood = NIN.
Alan Moore = Tom Waits.
Grant Morrison = Brian Eno (only, uh, more pop).
Todd McFarlane = Metallica.
Bruce Jones = The Cure.

Taking the piss or not? U DECIDE!

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 17 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

EC = rock and roll
monster comics = "Louie Louie"
Silver Age DC = tin pan alley
Silver Age Marvel = Beatlemania
Steranko = Dylan
Englehart/Denny O Neil etc = west coast hippie culture, Doors etc.
Cerebus = Stockhausen's Licht remade by Todd Rundgren (some things are difficult to parallel)
Fumetti = Reggae
IPC kids comics = 70s bubblegum
Marvel under Shooter = big production 80s pop
Action! / 2000AD = PUNXOR ROXOR (UK version!)
latterday 2000AD = GODAWFUL REHEADINGS OF PUNXOR ROXOR (NME version!)
RAW = No Wave (Spiegelman = Thurston Moore)
Waid/Busiek/Ross = alt.country (Peter David = power pop)
80s indie comix = 80s indie obv.
Heavy Metal = duh, specifically in its 80s twiddly pomp (massively intricate brushwork/solos in the service of TITS and DEMONS!)
Image = teen pop! (this doesn't quite work. The alternative is Todd=Kurt Jim Lee=Vedder Rob Liefeld=him out of Silverchair or someone.)
Alan Moore = Eno (sorry Matt)
Grant Morrison = rave (I actually said that JLA was comics techno in the Edinburgh Review once, and got paid for doing so.)
Neil Gaiman = ok I'm stumped. But nothing good! (oh actually I have just horribly realised that NG is MORRISSEY)

Comics is still awaiting its hip-hop. Sadly.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Eagle Photo Stories = New Romantics!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 07:19 (twenty-one years ago)

haha

I've always thought Philip Bond's art is hip-hop as fuck, in a graf-writer sense.

Where does manga fit into this?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 11:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Jim Mahfood = Jay-Z

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 11:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually Moore as Eno works better than my suggestion.

Well, hell, if we're doing comics as music genres, then that changes a few things.

JLA as comics techno isn't a bad sum-up, really. But I find it more interesting than most techno. I'd still argue that as a personality, Grant Morrison is more comics glam than anything. If Bowie hadn't managed to suck so heartily in the last twenty years, that one would work, whereas Grant's work is steady in terms of quality.

Steranko = Roxy Music. Was there ever a humble "nonelectric" phase where he's concerned?

Dave Gibbons = The Who. Okay, not really, but _The Originals_ will make it seem that way.

Steve Gerber = Randy Newman

Wouldn't Jamie Hewlett be a good candidate for comics hip-hop?

John Byrne = Elvis Costello. Discuss.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Garth Ennis = the Pogues + Gwar

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Carlos Ezquerra = Ennio Morricone+Metallica

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Gerber/Newman - perfect!

Hip-hop is manga of course, and as I said on the Wedge that makes Image rap-metal (entirely aptly!)

Yeah Grant isn't 'faceless' at all, and there are Morrissey elements in him too (OMG is he MOBY?????????)

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 20:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Grant Morrison in Momus secret identity shockah! Note that you never see them in the same room at once.

Image used to be Rap-Metal, now it's MP3.com (or at least, until that got dismantled.)

Oh yes, Mark Millar = Mick Jagger. Martin probably differs, since he actually knows the man, but based on his work and online persona, I'm sticking to my guns.

Neil Gaiman = Kate Bush

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 22:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Vertigo at its most sub-Gaiman = Ritchie Blackmore (i.e. Renaissance Fair-level goth & folk tales). Alternately = (old) Theater of Tragedy.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 23:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah, Kate Bush has had more than one idea in her career.

Neil Gaiman = Enya.

Warren Ellis = Autechre(cool hipsterism with lumps of technogeekery)
Brian Michael Bendis = Talking Heads (Too clever for his own good)
Cerebus = Current 93 (You know you love it really but can't explain why. Eclectic. Kind of folky. About lost love at times. More than a hint of menace. Sometimes unintentionally funny.)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 19 August 2004 09:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Brian Michael Bendis = Talking Heads (Too clever for his own good)

I refer you to your own "more than one idea" comment.

I think Neil Gaiman has more than one idea (viz that story about some guy who can't stop having them) but has faulty technology separating the good ones from the bad ones. Because how bad can they be, they're his? (And also he values the ideas and the precision of execution over whether the direction of execution is a good idea)

so NG = Momus.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 August 2004 10:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(mmmmfff mmff fmf mmffff!) (tries to keep self from revealing own incredibly snotty musical analogue to NG)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Steve Englehart:Randy Bachman

Huck, Thursday, 19 August 2004 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

two years pass...
I'd like to know what Pash is mmmfing about!

Frank Miller = Metallica!

Rose to prominence in the '80s, when they also released their most vital work, became overground celebs in the '90s despite diminishing returns and entrenched irrelevance during the '00s.

Daredevil nos. 168-191 (1981-3) = Kill 'em All (1983)
Early-'80s debut that showcased their burgeoning skills and techniques ("Four Hoursemen," Daredevil no. 191), though the production values were weak (garage album production; four-color garishness and archly pungent dialogue).

Ronin (1982-3) = Ride the Lightning (1983)
Creative leaps forward, style- and technique-wise.

DKR (1986) = Master of PUppets
Pinnacles of their careers, moves their respective genres away from established modalities (hair metal; camp) and recenters the genres around grim and gritty. Tuomas takes offense to the power politics articulated therein.

Batman: Year One (1987) = The $5.98 EP: Garage Days Re-Revisited (1987)
Short followup to consensus masterpiece regarded as no less integral, reimagining pre-existing material.

Elektra: Assasin (1986-7) = ...And Justice for All (1988)
Ornate, technically proficient, extremely indulgent.

Sin City (1991) = Black Album (1991)
Similar color schemes, craft pared down to appeal to wider audiences. For better of for worse, the shark-jumping point.

Sin City sequels = Load and Reload
Derivative, uninspired, image-changing. (See also: Martha Washington.)

DKSA = Garage, Inc.
Unnecessary sequel that reinterpreted and cashed in on earlier work.

ASSBATS = St. Anger

Holy Terror = Napster
Point in which they totally lost all relevance forever.

Corrollary: Klaus Janson = Flemming Rasmussen

c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Ingenious, pal.

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

IF I MAY ASK: Does Born Again not fit into the analogy?

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Someone do a Grant Morrison/Prince parallel, pls.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD:

MICHAEL KUPPERMAN = WEEN

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Either Born Again also = Master ("best superhero run of all time," "best (thrash) metal album of all time"), or Born Again = Cliff 'em All because it revisits and memorializes a person who was integral to their success.

c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Someone do a Grant Morrison/Prince parallel, pls.

ANOTHER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD:

They're both quite keen on sigils and masturbation (though I think it's unlikely anyone gratified themselves for the purpose of helping Prince's album sales).

Richard Baez (Johnny Logic), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Dave Sim = (Ted Nugent)/(Gong)*(Sister Rosetta Tharpe)

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

SHORT VERSION

Britishes stuff = Prince (obscure but promising?)

Animal Man = 1999 (brilliant and sort of out of nowhere?)

JLA = Purple Rain (ambitious and successful, also dated production values)

Invisibles = Sign o' the Times (even more ambitious, darker, also successful, both feature gender play and investigate the connection between the spiritual and the sexxy)

New Adventures of Hitler = Black Album ("controversial", currently not in official release)

????? = Love Symbol Album

Seven Soldiers = Emancipation (sprawling and unconventionally formatted, but worthwhile?)

ASS/Batmorrison = Musicology/3121 (mainstream comeback, pastiching himself and his formative influences more directly than ever before)

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

David Anthony Kraft = Mike Watt.

'cuz they both wanted to be E. Bloom.

barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Thursday, 28 September 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

Sin City (1991) = Black Album (1991)
Similar color schemes, craft pared down to appeal to wider audiences. For better of for worse, the shark-jumping point.

Hmm, I thought Sin City was a distillation of Miller's craft and themes, not any sort of appeal for bigger audiences. It certainly wasn't as popular as his previous work with Batman and Daredevil, at least not until the film.

I wouldn't call DKSA "unnecessary", it was great fun, and proved Miller can still do good comics when he doesn't take himself too seriously. What was an unnecessary cash-in was the "Daredevil Year One" thing he did with John Romita Jr.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 28 September 2006 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

Sin City 1, I was wearing hindsight glasses. DKSA, I don't find fun or good without getting mired in particulars.

Mike Mignola = Lisa Gerrard
Surveys world folk, tinged with Gothic; retreated from main project to work in movies.

c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Kirby = James Brown

c('°c) (Leee), Thursday, 28 September 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

Kurt Busiek = Paul McCartney

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 28 September 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

c('°c), haha! Pure genius!

Wally Wood = Johnny Cash,
Hirokai Samura = Mad Capsule Markets,
Simon Bisley = Slayer,
JRJR = Glen Medeiros x Henry Rollins,

King Kirby = Elvis (the King)

Eyemelt (Eyemelt), Saturday, 30 September 2006 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Pat Mills=Iron Maiden
(Plays at being dark and iconoclastic, actually rather cosy and comforting, still at the same old schtick twenty five years on)

Brian Bolland=The Jam
(Very slick and proffessional with subversive undertones)

Dave Sim=Mike Patton
(Off the wall, technically very gifted, has spent much of the last ten years with head up own arse with occasional moments of brilliance)

chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Saturday, 30 September 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Sim as Patton is so OTM.

I can't go for Kirby as Elvis. Elvis was an interpreter, and Kirby was a pure creative spark that other people scrambled to incorporate, if not copy. I like the Kirby/James Brown idea.

Steve Englehart = Burt Bacharach
(talented, prolific, fans' and critics' darling, foundered for many years after coming down from peak; still working, but never really regained the old spark; needs strong collaborators)

The Bearnaise-Stain Bears (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 30 September 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

I think Kirby as Brown makes a lot of sense as well.

Who is Queen?

chap who would dare to contain two ingredients. Tea and bags. (chap), Saturday, 30 September 2006 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Howard Cruse. Thinks he's getting a big subversive point across, everyone thinks it's just superficially attractive.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Saturday, 30 September 2006 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Rob Liefeld = Vanilla Ice

Eyemelt (Eyemelt), Sunday, 1 October 2006 09:04 (nineteen years ago)


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