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This is the thread where we NAME AND SHAME comics writers and artists with a, hem hem, INAPPROPRIATELY CLOSE relationship to their creations. eg.

- that guy who drew Supergirl nude (supposedly)
- Chris Claremont and his succession of 'strong women'
- Grant Morrison admitting in an invisibles editorial that everything that happened to King Mob happened to him after he wrote it and then having KM spend three issues shagging a fabulously beautiful leather-clad assassin
- writers who KEEP USING rubbish characters that they are obviously obsessed with (but name names and gratuitous examples)...

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Haha, "I wrote the Invisibles #1 and then I woke up bald!"

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago)

I read that Chuck Austen interview at Newsarama, and while I've never actually read more than one or two Chuck Austen issues mind you, I found it hilarious that he answered the question "What characters from the X-Men will you miss the most?" with "Bob, Rachel, Sam, etc.", i.e. all rubbish characters that he had made up all by himself.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Haven't the X-Men hired a super-prostitute recently or something?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Budd Root/Cavegirl
Frank Cho/Brandy in Liberty Meadows
All the Avatar 'Bad Girl' line, especially Brian Pulido and Marat Michaels.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Garth Ennis loves to write about big strong macho types (with whom we are supposed to identify) kicking the shit out of people for no particular reason.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Oh god Tom, I'm having flashes of a comic where there is a dirty, smoking super-prostitute who gets attached to a conventional hero team, gets treated like shit by them but soon enough sacrifices herself in a noble fashion. I can't remember what the hell it was though...Warren Ellis? Morrison JLA? Some webcomic?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago)

Ennis is a bad offender here. Was there anyone on Earth apart from him who didn't think Jesse Custer was a self-righteous knobhead?

xpost where are our super-prostitute experts when you need them?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago)

I just read the first Transmetropolitan last night, was that Ennis or Ellis? Anyway, what a load.

Huck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) That's 'The Pro'. Garth Ennis and... Jimmy Palmiotti?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago)

JIM BALENT (& his bodacious ta-tas) TO THREAD!!!

Also, Greg Horn & his early _Emma Frost_ covers.

An example re: writers & fave characters - CC & Sage definitely come to mind. Also, Chuck Austen & those super-powered mutant werewolves (he used them in an UXM story, and then in an _Exiles_ arc where the Exiles just happened to pop into the "real" Marvel universe).

The X-Men had a super-powered prostitute in their ranks (oh ha) during Joe Casey's short disowned run on UXM. I think she boffed the POTUS.

_Transmetro_ was Ellis, BTW.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:41 (twenty years ago)

(I've just realised that makes me the ILC super-prostitute expert)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Ellis. Handy guide:

Ellis: lots of rants filled with futurebabble, profanity, and explicit references to the internal organs of various species (and lately, l33tsp3@k). Also, hot girls who can't stay away from cranky, misanthropic guys.

Ennis: lots of lads hanging out in pubs, war stories, A-Team style punch-outs, high-horse speeches about friendship and ladeez' honor, horrible but "amusing" treatment of homosexual characters, and depictions of various exposed internal organs.

Um, they've both done some great work though.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago)

(xpost) That's 'The Pro'. Garth Ennis and... Jimmy Palmiotti?

THANK YOU. That sounds right. Now where the hell would I have read it? Was it a one-shot?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:48 (twenty years ago)

Steve Engelhart & Mantis (in _West Coast Avengers_, in _Avengers_, in _Defenders_ I bet, in _Fantastic Four_, and even - so I heard - in an issue of _Justice League of America_)! Jim Starlin & everyone from _Warlock_ except for the cigar-smoking centaur!

_The Pro_ was a one-shot. There might be a sequel out in the near future.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Have you guys seen Engelhart's website? He's funny.

Huck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:51 (twenty years ago)

He's an originator AND an innovator!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Yes! I think more comics pros should have score-settling websites.

I think the first 'fan' publication I ever bought was some history-of-the-Avengers thing with a big Engelhart interview and I remember thinking he seemed like a 'radical dude'.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:54 (twenty years ago)

The thing is, his Batman/Detective and Green Lantern (Corps) stories (not sure how much of his JLofA I read, and missed out on his Avengers) are THAT good.

Huck, Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:55 (twenty years ago)

I'm not sure if the Essentials have gotten that far yet -- I don't think so -- but when they do, you should definitely check out Englehart's Avengers. (Granted, I'm not positive they've aged well, because I haven't read them myself in years, but when I was a Huge Avengers Fan they were my fave.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago)

(Except I hated Mantis and Moondragon, ugh ugh.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Does he comment on the minor furore surrounding FASAUD THE LIVING TELEVISION?

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 September 2004 14:59 (twenty years ago)

There was furor over Fasaud?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago)

It was racialist apparently.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Also furore over his being a completely rub villain.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Fasaud The Living Magnavox-American.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:04 (twenty years ago)

Neil Gaiman and Death was discussed around here as "when creators become too attached to their creations".

haha Karen Berger and everything Neil Gaiman ever touched.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 2 September 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago)

Jim Starlin and Warlock?

Peter David and Rick Jones in that last issue of the Hulk where Rick commented on how brilliant Peter David's next storylines WOULD HAVE BEEN.

Marky Mark Waid overidentifies with everyone he writes.

Vic Fluro, Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:52 (twenty years ago)

Never mind that Rick Jones (& Marlo, of course) figured into PD's run on _Captain Marvel_. But at least RJ had a history w/ both characters that PD used him with - it ain't like he really had to shoehorn so-&-so into an awkward inappropriate situation. Like Jim Starlin & Warlock.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:57 (twenty years ago)

How did Rick get out of that wheelchair?

Vic Fluro, Thursday, 2 September 2004 22:59 (twenty years ago)

Jazz hands?

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 September 2004 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Jazz Hands should be a character whose hands are MADE OUT OF JAZZ. He hangs out with the Shroud and his guys (I forget what they're called, the Night Shift?), and the covers of his solo book are drawn by Steranko.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 3 September 2004 02:08 (twenty years ago)

JMS and Dr. Strange, sadly.

Jack Kirby and Ben Grimm.

Steve Ditko to the thread! Mr. A and The Question in particular.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 3 September 2004 02:45 (twenty years ago)

John Byrne and She-Hulk! Was it his idea to bring her to the FF, or did Shooter just saddle him with that because of Secret Wars?

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 3 September 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago)

I'd say it was Shooter's edict, but that wouldn't explain Byrne's TWO runs at making _She-Hulk_ viable.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 14:43 (twenty years ago)

(resisting urge to make jokes about transexuals)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 3 September 2004 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Three if you count the graphic novel -- I'm not sure if that was meant to be a lead-in to the monthly, or to the SHIELD series that never happened (which would have revealed the consequences of SHIELD being infiltrated by SECRET COCKROACHES FROM SPACE!) The monthly was as much an ode to the greatness of Jen She-Hulk Walters as anything, and mind you, I like the character. But it was sometimes embarrassing.

I wonder if he dates/marries exceptionally tall women (that's the other thing I remember, he kept drawing attention to her height; you don't have many people telling Tony Stark he has a mustache).

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 3 September 2004 14:52 (twenty years ago)

The traumas of cross-heighted love was a minor theme in Alpha Flight too I think.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 September 2004 14:54 (twenty years ago)

("Hey, uh, Tony, you've got a little something on your -- oh."

"What is it, Pepper? What's wrong?"

"No, no, it's nothing. I thought you had -- nevermind."

"Well now it's all built up, you have to tell me."

"It's just, I thought there was something on your lip, but no, it's just your mustache."

"I need that mustache to live, Pepper!"

"I know, I know."

"That mustache is the solar panel for the cybernetic pacemaker that keeps my heart pumping!"

"I know, I kn-- wait, what?"

"The solar panel for the cybernet--"

"Last week you said it was an alien symbiote that lived on your face in exchange for curing your alcoholism!"

"I -- yes! That's what I meant! An alien symbiote solar panel that --"

"It's just a mustache, isn't it? You just WANT A MUSTACHE."

"No, no, alien symbiote, solar heart protector, oh no, look out, I might commence to drinking --"

"Come clean, Tony, you have to. Is that a voluntary mustache?"

"It's, um, LOOK, RHODEY'S FUCKING A UNICORN AGAIN!"

"What?"

*dashes away*

)

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 3 September 2004 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Puck & Heather McDonald! Bill Mantlo ran w/ that theme after JB left, though, & it involved lots of nastiness - decaying leg tissue! ewww!

I'm surprised Tep hasn't made mention of Shooter & his forbidden love of Ill-Defined Omnipotence. And I hope Mr. Skidmore stops by the expound on the amour between Mr. Claremont and England.

Can I just say (again) (& again) that the current She-Hulk series is utterly fantastic?

xpost - from the creators of AVENGERS DISASSEMBLED comes the next shocking saga that will leave you penniless: IRON MAN DISCOMBOBULATED!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, what's with Claremont and England? Did he live there for awhile? Visit for a lengthy time? I'm not dissing England, but it's a little weird.

Shooter's omnipotence fetish is very weird and will always shape my memory of early-to-mid 80s comics, for better or worse. In part, I think, because the fetish was so everpresent that it actually shaped the mechanics for the Marvel Super Heroes roleplaying game (the only rpg I was allowed to play).

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 3 September 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago)

If an English person read Claremont's England stories for the first time they would lay money that he has never set foot here.

(One thing he always did was to have the enormous FITE take place next to whichever comics shop he liked best in the city in question)

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 September 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago)

That reminds me Tom, why the fuck do comics writers keep setting stories in New Orleans when they clearly have never been there, nor have even watched Easy Rider? Grant Morrison and Garth Ennis come to mind. They both had N.O. graveyard scenes with traditional headstones everywhere, when the whole point about graves in New Orleans is that they're above ground. I'm getting the new Gambit book just to see how badly they fuck up the setting.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 September 2004 15:15 (twenty years ago)

And as anal as this sounds, Gambit should be the Ragin' Creole anyway, not the Ragin' Cajun, which for some reason irked me more than it should.

(White Wolf's original supplement for New Orleans had a secret network of tunnels leading away from the subway system, which was a much worse error in what-the-fuck-ity.)

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 3 September 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, the New Orleans...subway...system.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 September 2004 15:32 (twenty years ago)

IT'S BELOW SEA-LEVEL YOU FUCKERS

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 September 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, see? Given this and what Tom was saying on the From Hell thread, I wonder if every major(ish) city gets mistreated in fiction (especially visual fiction, comics and movies?). We need to ask the New Yorkers.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 3 September 2004 15:39 (twenty years ago)

London isn't being mistreated in From Hell at all, it's just that there's a particular strain of London writing Moore sticks to pretty closely.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 4 September 2004 08:37 (twenty years ago)

Misrepresented? I might be projecting -- the question of how residents of City X feel about fictional representations of City X has been on my mind a lot lately.

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 4 September 2004 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Is that where District X is?

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:00 (twenty years ago)

It's the capital of Earth X!

Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:03 (twenty years ago)


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