Louise Simonson: C or D

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BECAUSE TOM DEMANDED IT!?!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Oh, for a comic called _Superman: Man of Rub_ where he flew around Metropolis giving the Toyman & Metallo Indian burns.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:36 (twenty years ago)

Is Keith dead yet? And if not why not? I have a feeling his annoying nan or whoever it was got trod on by a robot at some point but after that I lost track of the little freak.

Vic Fluro, Friday, 3 September 2004 11:40 (twenty years ago)

Clearly my secret aim is for every single mainstream 80s 'career writer' to get their own thread.

Louise Simonson was SO RUBBISH in so many ways - loads of really awful ideas (eg DMN on the drugs thread) , k-lame plots, a ton of folksy homilies in every book, far far far too keen on cutesy kids, however I'm still sort of fond of her writing. She could pace a comic and there was always a pretty humane and sensible outlook to things which in the "Guns don't kill people, FUCKING HUGE GUNS do" atmos of the early 90s wasn't so bad.

xpost KEITH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:44 (twenty years ago)

She came up with those Morlock rip-offs too, all with silly names like Clawster and Neep-Nose.

Surely Keith can't still be with us? Has he been murdered by the all-new all-insane Toyman?

Vic Fluro, Friday, 3 September 2004 11:46 (twenty years ago)

Neep-Nose, oh jesus.

I need a beer now.

I am going to waste office time attempting to research the final fate of Keith.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:48 (twenty years ago)

Tom, you nailed it. I have an abiding fondness for her run on _Power Pack_, though I don't remember much about it at all except for the My Little Pony alien & some unearned Spidey / mutie cache.

Who the eff is KEITH??!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:50 (twenty years ago)

URGENT KEITH UPDATE. As far as I can tell Keith still lives. The Toyman murdered Cat Grant's son but not him. I have however discovered that bleeding heart liberal Superman has decided to rehabilitate child murdering Toyman by getting him a job making toys for homeless children, a good thing Metropolis doesn't have Murdoch-owned tabloids.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 September 2004 11:57 (twenty years ago)

FOR GOD'S SAKE has he not learned the lesson of the JOKER??

Vic Fluro, Friday, 3 September 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Who the eff is KEITH??!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago)

In further Keith news, he's been adopted by kindly Perry White. Presumably he's then been stuffed in a cupboard and forgotten about. I hope.

Vic Fluro, Friday, 3 September 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago)

You Ewwwwingssss are insssscrutable!

Who the eff is KEITH??!?!?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:17 (twenty years ago)

I was aware of the kindly Perry White adoption.

The list of plot summaries at superman fan sites makes for really shoddy, miserable reading.

xpost OK OK STOP SHOUTING

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:17 (twenty years ago)

Keith was a cute black orphan boy whose role in Louise S' Superman stories was to ask variations on "gee whiz mr superman why is there evil in the world?" and set off angst (answer: "I...don't...knooooooooowwwwwwwww"). He would also, like all LS children, react to minor snubs by going off into the sewers/villain HQ/space to fight The Mangler or whoever and require rescueage.

His mother died of AIDS and his grandma was squashed by a robot (probably) so Perry and Alice White adopted him. I think once Louise Simonson left he was rarely used.

He was very annoying.

You can see Keith in 'action' in the Death of Superman trade I think, and probably Funeral and Return too.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:21 (twenty years ago)

I might've blocked him from my memory, because I was knee-deep in the post-Death hoopla, and I would've remembered such a poor soul. And I would've prayed for a slow and painful death, natch.

Sorry about the KEITH!!! thing, BTW - it's Friday, I'm ready for the 3-day weekend, I just dropped some Zzizz, etc.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 12:33 (twenty years ago)

oh I am roffling here

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:21 (twenty years ago)

Who wants some action on KEITH!!!!! being the Identity Crisis killer? Odds are 2:1; odds that he's wearing a beret like those Newsboy Legion kids while making with the chop-chop - 4:3.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:25 (twenty years ago)

But surely it's Neep-Nose?

Vic Fluro, Friday, 3 September 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago)

I have an abiding fondness for her run on _Power Pack_, though I don't remember much about it at all except for the My Little Pony alien

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This is the greatest description ever.

I really wanted to like Power Pack (particularly after the Mutant Massacre) but when I saw those aliens I just went, "Hmm. The last time I checked I had a penis, ergo I cannot read this." I didn't even know what twee was and already I was kicking against it.

Also, NEEP-NOSE?
Didn't Alex steal all of the other kids' powers and run around with the New Warriors for a short time?

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:31 (twenty years ago)

I may be uncertain on the status of Keith but I know for a FACT that Neep-Nose was killed.+

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:33 (twenty years ago)

I'm imagining myself as a comic book editor who would approve a script that had a character named Neep-Nose. Oh the hoops I'd have to jump through to become that editor.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it's Grandma Bess.

Vic Fluro, Friday, 3 September 2004 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Neep-Nose as cocaine abusin', ho slappin', non-recyclin' edgy sk8r punk? BACK FROM THE DEAD! Fucking A, that's the L-I-M-P Bizkit shit right there!

Did she come up w/ the idea for Artie (in _X-Factor_), or is that something she picked up & ran with? & what was the name of that mute green kid that hooked up w/ Artie & twee'd up the _X-Factor_ proceedings?

LEECH! The green kid was LEECH! He'd be thrown into the fray (or throw himself into the fray - damn kids) and bearhug anyone trying to use their powers! He was a power cockblocker! And he looked like a green raisin! And he wasn't mute, was he? Artie was the mute; Leech was monosyllabic.

I imagine she threw in these kid characters so the yutes had people they could identify with, but if you want the yutes to identify w/ the kids, it helps to make the kids LESS ANNOYING.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:39 (twenty years ago)

also lets face it less deformed.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Everyone X-Factor took in was annoying. It was a special school for annoying deformed kids who couldn't get it on properly.

Vic Fluro, Friday, 3 September 2004 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Artie and Leech were great, though! Leech was the one who showed Scott exactly how demented he was WRT Jean = Phoenix.

It isn't Artie or Leech's fault that Lobdell couldn't write them (they really became unbearable in Generation X, partially because HELLO IT'S BEEN 15 YEARS AT LEAST LET THEM BE TEENAGERS).

(xpost Vic OTM, and that's why I loved it; who can't identify with a former Navy recruit who accidentally burned off the face of a prostitute?)

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:45 (twenty years ago)

It imparted Rusty with ANGST. Although not as much angst as the prostitute.

Vic Fluro, Friday, 3 September 2004 13:48 (twenty years ago)

Haha, but the prostitue didn't have ANGST! She became all saved and shit and went to preach to the Morlocks!

My big question was this: Why didn't Rusty notice this after the first time he masturbated?

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:50 (twenty years ago)

He thought that was just a bizarre coincidence.

Vic Fluro, Friday, 3 September 2004 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Asbestos sock?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:51 (twenty years ago)

I'd forgotten the specifics of Rusty's origin.

He got killed eventually didn't he? Christ what a boring character.

I re-read some old X-Factors thanks to the wonders of CBR, I had forgotten what fannies they looked in their original X-Factor outfit (Angel with a big plastic box on his back full of 'mutant finding equipment'!). In fact I'd forgotten how desperately awful the original premise was.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 3 September 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago)

During the big X-Crossovers, her issues just sagged. She made Claremont look good.

I remember X-Factor and the irritating crossovers with other MU books - they would have to go and fight Spidey or the Hulk just in case they might be mutants......oh dear...

David N (David N.), Saturday, 4 September 2004 00:04 (twenty years ago)


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