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To you, that is, inspired by a comment of Andrew's in the movie thread. Two parts, I guess, take your pick:

1) What's your favorite X-Men team?

2) What's your ideal X-Men team?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 14:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Favorite: post Mutant-Massacre group (Storm, Dazzler, Wolverine, Longshot, Psylocke, Rogue, Colossus, Havok) largely because this was the team from my first exposure to UXM as an avid fan/collector.

Ideal: Hmm. Let me get back to you.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Favourite: New Mutants between Warlock joining and, um, Bird Boy joining.

Actual X-Men? Pffft, I don't know, there's always some tool like Wolverine hanging around.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a classicist. The Uncanny team from about 100-138 is the quintessential team.

Cyclops, Phoenix, Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Nghtcrawler, Beast (sometimes), Banshee (sometimes), Kitty (sometimes).

Now if only we'd have Charlotte (sometimes), I'd be able to maket he Cure fans happy...

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Matt, I'm now imagining a superteam made up of characters based on Cure singles:

Charlotte Sometimes
High
Primary
Lullaby
Lovecat
Catch
Forest
Heaven

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

That would be The Unhappy X-Men.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

With "High" and "The Lovecats" in there???

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I was taking comedic license.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

LICENSE REVOKED!

Huk-L, Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd have to go back & look it up, but I'm going to be a lamer & say that the team in GM's run (Cyclops, White Queen, The Walking Kabob, Beast, Jean Grey, Xorn, Professor X w/ special guest appearances by Beak, Vomiting Angel, the Stepford Cuckoos, & the would-be Brotherhood of Kick-Addled Magneto's Homo Superiors), though the Technicolor splendor of the Claremont / Byrne posse is a close 2nd. (My Dan Perry Nostalgia Vote goes towards the team during the Paul Smith / JR JR / BWS era.)

In all honesty, I'd probably put the _Astonishing_ team at the top if Laurence Olivier went at my teeth with vice grips, but, uncoerced, I can't do it in good conscience.

My ideal team will have to wait as well, though I can't see the team with only one of either Kabob or Cyclops in it - the Wolverine / Cyclops dynamic is so key that they'd either have to both be in or both be out.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Wolverine the reason Gambit is almost never used anymore? They fulfill a similar niche, and if one has to go it's obviously not going to be Wolverine.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, there's that, along with other elements that make Gambit k-rub (cf. the accent, the hair, the accent, the combination of crap costume w/ London Fog overcoat, the accent, the fact that he's a benevolent Bullseye with crap aim & cheap playing cards). Of course, perhaps he wishes he was in limbo, as he was recently blinded in _Chuck Austen's XXX-Men_.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:27 (twenty-one years ago)

It's an interesting point; most characters look extraordinarily silly when boiled down to a character description but Gambit comes across as one of the worst in the X-Men (bettered only by Marrow, Maggott and Stacy X the Super-Ho).

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:40 (twenty-one years ago)

That said, Mr. Brian K. Vaughn has done wonders w/ the Ultimate version of Gambit (a character introduced by a two-issue UltXM story penned in non-offensive fashion by Mr. Chuck Austen).

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, Marrow isn't that bad; the bad part is the fact that they turned her into a hero.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

I am old enough to see the original five, plus Professor X of course, as the fundamental team. I guess I could happily lose Angel or Archangel or whatever he is now, maybe in favour of Storm. If I were writing it I'd want Wolverine too, so that I could get the royalties. I'd be quite inclined to bring in Havok and Polaris too, as I always liked both of them.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

My ideal X-Men team is Maggott and nobody else.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:47 (twenty-one years ago)

TOM EWING AS HEAD OF X-EDITORIAL NOW

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure who my dream team is yet but it will include Storm, Dazzler and Cecilia Reyes.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 21:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I am considering using my dormant site admin powers to edit Maggott into everyone's line-up now.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 21:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Favorite: post Mutant-Massacre group (Storm, Dazzler, Wolverine, Longshot, Psylocke, Rogue, Colossus, Havok) largely because this was the team from my first exposure to UXM as an avid fan/collector.

Dan OTM, although it wasn't my first exposure -- if anything, I think this was the last lineup before I stopped reading the X-Men regularly. Other lineups look better to me on paper, but never ended up being written as well (even if they often had better stories -- the Dark Phoenix Saga was a great story, it's just that it's kind of a shame it was a story happening to Jean Grey and Scott Summers).

Ideal, no idea, but I'm tempted to say the Astonishing lineup, but that's probably only because it's what I'm reading lately. I'd otherwise be unlikely to pick Cyclops.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I like my X-teams big, with lotsa characters, so:

Cyclops
Jean Grey/Marvel Girl/Phoenix/whatever
Wolverine
Colossus
Nightcrawler
Rogue
Storm
Angel
Beast

Which realise is most of them from teh Claremont/Byrne era.
And I feel really guilty about leaving out Forge, Shadowcat and Longshot....especially Longshot...

David N (David N.), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if this is as interesting a question for the Avengers? (Or the Justice League?)

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 00:49 (twenty-one years ago)

The ideal Avengers line-up is at least as interesting. I think most people feel that the JLA needs the big guns, so almost everyone has Supes, Bats, WW, GL, Flash at least - the big seven at the start of the Morrison run always made me happiest.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the JLA is pretty much unchangable. I do quite like that since there are two or three X-men comics at any one time, people can have two or three X-men teams - the problem being that it's only recently that Marvel have come up with the amazing innovation of having two or three different writing styles to go with it, and even then they all have to link together somehow.

2000AD-style-kick-ass X-men would be pretty much the Morrison/Whedon crowd. Possible get rid of Kitty Wanky Pryde and have Storm in there instead if she promises not to talk crap. And all the freaks like Glob Herman and the Beak.

Then you'd have pissy-goth-pain-angst-feelings-soap-opera X-Men. Angel, Nightcrawler, Kitty Wanky Pryde, Jubilee, Psylocke, Rogue, Gambit, Boom Boom and anybody else who talks about how THE PAIN is TOO GREAT but I MUST CARRY ON. Shove them all in a big mansion on Plot Device Island so they don't get in the way and let Chris Claremont do any horrible thing he wants after you've given him a hige stack of MISTY and a note saying 'MORE OF THIS PLEASE'. It'd sell like a motherfucker. Wolverine's in it too because he knows the lonely pain of the samurai and there are eight of him.

Pretty much what we've got now, only a bit less flooding the market.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Vic for Marvel President!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Vic, Kitty's all sunshine & lollipops compared to Miss "I Am Mohawk Hear Me Existentialize And Watch As I Comfort The Savage Pirate-Lovin' Breast of Fuzzy Demon Spawn ... With a Waltz".

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but Kitty can't do anything EXCEPT mope and/or be cutesy annoying Buffy-substitute. Storm at least has the power to drop an immense hailstone on your head and crush it like an egg, and then stab you right in the heart for looking at her funny. I'm sure it's possible to tone down all that "Oh, I was a thief in Cairo and I don't like enclosed spaces, like all buildings blah blah blah blah"... no you're right, she's fucked.

Juggernaut on the 2000ADesque team instead. Storm moves over to the whining team who I shall dub X-Position.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

First mega-arc: X-Tenuating Circumstances.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish the Ultimate version of Kitty was an assassin. Someone who would stick people into walls and bisect them. BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD.

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I wish the ordinary version of Kitty shouted 'BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD' all the time instead of whatever sub-Willow nonsense she blurts out.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)

So far Whedon has given us Willow, Space Willow (in Firefly), and X-Willow. Am I missing any?

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, is it just me or is Wolverine turning into a really bizarre Xander/Spike hybrid?

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, but Kitty can't do anything EXCEPT mope and/or be cutesy annoying Buffy-substitute.

Yeah, I see her more as a Willow. No wonder she totally bugs. Emma should be off melting her brain or something.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Emma = Anya?

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

No, probably more like old school Cordelia.

Leon Czolgosz (Nicole), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Dan, please expand on your Whedon Wolverine theory, since I am only a poseur Buffy fan.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not even that, Jordan! (see above Anya gaffe)

Wolverine has been doing a lot of Xanderesque zingers in the past few episodes (esp. to Kitty; I think #3 is the issue where this really stood out to me) while retaining the savage intensity he always had (which reminds me of Whedon's Spike).

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think any Whedon characters are allowed not to zing.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait... YOU TEACH ETHICS???

Willow Pryde (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 September 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the X-men of the Uncanny X-men circa #275 best. Jubilee, Gambit, Wolvie, Storm, Betsy...

jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 16:58 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...
Dream Team:

Wolverine
Nightcrawler
Shadowcat
Rogue
Longshot
Havok

The Yellow Kid, Friday, 1 October 2004 08:20 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.uncannyxmen.net/images/article/relationship/relationshipmapv1.htm

A seebelow dude put me up on this - too amazing not to share.

For other uses, see Cornhole (disambiguation). (Oilyrags), Friday, 26 June 2009 18:59 (sixteen years ago)

oh I've seen that before

It is about the only nerd thing I've ever wanted to print and frame.

get money fuck witches (HI DERE), Friday, 26 June 2009 19:04 (sixteen years ago)

Good grief, that's partially why I get too scared to start reading X-Men.

Having said that, speaking as a non-regular X-reader, I thought this week's Fraction done-in-one on Uncanny was pretty terrific fun. The first issue of his I read -- #500, I think -- was absolutely awful. Has he gotten better?

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 26 June 2009 19:22 (sixteen years ago)

ha I haven't read this week's yet but in general I feel Fraction has gotten worse and more unfocused since #500

get money fuck witches (HI DERE), Friday, 26 June 2009 19:24 (sixteen years ago)

You'd like it, Dan! It's pretty much a transparent Doctor Who rip-off tribute.

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 26 June 2009 19:51 (sixteen years ago)

Why does the graph claim Cannonball had a "one-sided infatuation" with Magma? Weren't they dating back when Claremont wrote the New Mutants?

Tuomas, Sunday, 28 June 2009 16:50 (sixteen years ago)

Knowing Claremont, one or both of them were being mind-controlled, so it doesn't count.

The shock will be coupled with the need to dance (James Morrison), Sunday, 28 June 2009 23:42 (sixteen years ago)

tl;dr

ian, Monday, 29 June 2009 23:51 (sixteen years ago)

My favorite X-Men line-up is Professor Xavier, Jean Grey, Wolverine, Emma Frost, Cyclops, and Beast. The Morrison team.

My ideal X-Men line-up would focus on Storm, Wolverine, Dazzler, Nightcrawler, Beast, and several new characters.

Mr. Perpetua, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 22:41 (sixteen years ago)

Prof X, Cyclops, Jean, Wolvie, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Kitty , Storm. I'm an early 80s Claremont kind of guy.

chap, Tuesday, 30 June 2009 22:58 (sixteen years ago)

^^ This, but with Emma instead of Jean and Beast instead of Storm.

Mordy, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 07:40 (sixteen years ago)

Prof X, Cyclops, Jean, Wolvie, Nightcrawler, Colossus, Kitty , Storm. I'm an early 80s Claremont kind of guy.

That's my favourite too, though I liked the addition of Longshot and Psylocke (before she was turned into a leather fetish babe) during the Romita/Silvestri era. But when Kurt and Kitty moved to Excalibur, my interest with X-Men didn't last for long after that.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 1 July 2009 08:40 (sixteen years ago)


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