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― Dan I. (Dan I.), Monday, 4 October 2004 06:17 (twenty years ago)

Strangers in Paradise.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 4 October 2004 08:57 (twenty years ago)

We have a winner!

Anything by Chynna Clugston-Major.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 October 2004 10:09 (twenty years ago)

5-10 years ago, Sandman Mystery Theatre.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 October 2004 10:29 (twenty years ago)

Unsubstantiated hating isn't nice, folks - say WHY the suck applies to these titles, plz.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 11:55 (twenty years ago)

Belay that order. Unsubstantiated hating is the very stuff of life.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:00 (twenty years ago)

If you are of a mind w/ Andrew, then please feel free to fill this thread w/ posts like:

"I dunno why I hate JIMMY'S FUNTIME PALACE so much ... it's just so ... so ... AURLUGGLKJGOIAURARUJGLGH~!!) (*$OIFDUA*OLJoiasud89079UJAIJ!"

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:05 (twenty years ago)

In fairness, one of the points of this thread would seem to be that it's stuff that you've already spent too much time discussing. I've been having arguments about SMT for a decade now (oh alright, they've died down in the last five years), I'm done.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Starman (thanks for the reminder Dave R!!)

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:21 (twenty years ago)

(I was actually thinking of putting that in here as well, but Starman falls into a belabored category something like "Comics you like well enough, but everyone else thinks are great, which in turn exacerbates your niggling doubts and the comic's shortcomings, thereby causing you to instinctively kick".)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:27 (twenty years ago)

Bone. Jeff Smith's a talented artist who can tell a decent gag, but he likes his talking animals far too much for my tastes. The fairytale plot is unbelievably cliched, and Fone Bone's an obsequeious little twat.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:36 (twenty years ago)

I like the art in TEH WALKING DEAD.

It is getting a bit soap opera-ish though. I would rather have a soap opera following the lives of a select group of zombies.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 4 October 2004 12:42 (twenty years ago)

*Getting* soap opera-ish, Jordan? Been that way since issue 3, since he found his family.

_Amazing Spider-Man_ - JMS so completely misses the point of the character and what makes him work that it makes my head hurt. The 9/11 issue was nauseating in the extreme.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago)

Identity Crisis, there I said it.

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 13:31 (twenty years ago)

Ha - I thought folks (like me!) defending IC were in the minority.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 13:34 (twenty years ago)

Oh. Maybe. I go back and forth between thinking it's great and thinking it's utter crap. Though the reasons I think it might be garbage aren't the usual ones.
I just, ahhh, I don't know, I think there's something a little condescending about the way Meltzer's all like "Oh, I'm doing something totally different with DC superheroes", when really, all this stuff has been done in both the Flash and Green Lantern in the last year.
Also, I'm jealous (why I'm jealous is beyond me) that IC took all the thunder away from NF.

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 13:41 (twenty years ago)

My friend threw cassarole at me the other day when I told her how bad I think "The Witching" is, save the great covers. I'm getting pretty tired of all the Sandman spin-offs as well. (Don't throw cassarole at me, Jordan and VG, please.)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 4 October 2004 15:08 (twenty years ago)

Your friend should save her wrath for books that are actually worth it (aside from the gorgeous Tara McPherson covers, that is.)

Have any of the _Sandman_ spin-offs aside from _Lucifer_ proven to be worth half a toss?

And I *like* Sandman, apart from some criticisms about the last third of the series.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:00 (twenty years ago)

The Merv Pumpkinhead one-shot wasn't bad (Bill Willingham, wasn't it?), and I think benefited from neither trying to expand the Sandman universe at all[1] nor rehashing the author's favorite parts of that universe.

[1] One of the things that makes Lucifer work is that its Sandman connection is essentially irrelevant, as is its Hellblazer connection. It's like the two series are a transept: while they do intersect in "Season of Mists," that intersection is not the most important part of either series, nor their defining story.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Hey, I was the one who started making fun on the Witching! Without reading it, even! :>

As for the Sandman stuff, I've never been a total Sandman freak, but I like Lucifer and I really enjoyed Bill Willingham's recent Thessaly mini-series (and I don't think I even read far enough in Sandman proper to get to Thessaly!).

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:34 (twenty years ago)

xpost - The Thessaly miniserieses have been pretty good as (pricey) sitcom stuff. Also by Willingham. Isn't there a collection of his Sandmanny work (those two + mervin + an arc of the Dreaming)

Oh, there was a FANTASTIC story by Jeff "through the habitrails" Nicholson in Dreaming #15.

http://www.coloniapress.com/Dreaming2.html

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 October 2004 16:37 (twenty years ago)

I will admit that the Merv Pumpkinhead stories were very good, but Merv was always one of my favorite characters, and because of what Tep nicely said above. I guess I just feel that Vertigo is really dragging out the stories as much as possible, when they should have ended in their natural place in the Sandman. (Sorry Jordan! I couldn't remember who started The Witching discussion)They haven't done a spin-off with Barbie et al. have they? That was my least favorite Sandman arc ever.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:21 (twenty years ago)

I almost forgot about it, because it only comes out twice a year, but Superman/Batman has been absolutely worthless since McGuinness left. And yet, I still buy it.
The only thing shocking about the last issue isn't what Darkseid does, but that SOMETHING ACTUALLY HAPPENS!!!

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Do you mean the people from A Game of You, in which case Thessaly check, Hazel & Foxglove check (in the second Death miniseries), or the ones from The Doll House, in which case no idea.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago)

Huk-L, just hold out for one more issue, and then CARLOS PACHECO comes on board! Woooooo!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:33 (twenty years ago)

(CP is going to be doing the ongoing Green Latrine series!)

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Wooooooooooooo!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:40 (twenty years ago)

A Game of You suffered, I think, from plans being changed last-minute when Gaiman found out there were some similarities between his plans and Jonathan Carroll's Bones of the Moon -- and so made references to the latter instead of distancing it entirely. It sticks out, I think -- Gaiman and Carroll aren't very similar writers, so much as they're writers that you aren't surprised to learn are friends. (The characters all feel very off, too, like they'd be more comfortable in some other comic book.)

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:42 (twenty years ago)

A Game of You is underrated, in my opinion. It's got a nice tight plot, certainly compared to the slightly aimless meanderings of some of the later arcs. It's let down a bit by the art; I really don't like Shawn McManus for some reason.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 4 October 2004 17:51 (twenty years ago)

(Is there ANYONE on ILC who likes/liked Strangers In Paradise?)

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:07 (twenty years ago)

Everytime someone even mentions S in P I get that damn song stuck in my head.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:09 (twenty years ago)

Whoever buys comics for my local public library LOVES it as there are multiple copies of every volume! Taking up shelfspace that could belong to, uh, something else! I don't even know what it's about.

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 18:19 (twenty years ago)

I think SiP may be one of those comics that sells largely -- or at least a lot -- to people who don't buy any other comics. (Except once a year when the New York Times points out POW! ZIP! Comics Aren't For Kids Anymore!)

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago)

jocelyn by 'damn song' are you referring to "just like livin in paradise" by david lee roth?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:22 (twenty years ago)

I was thinking of either Phil Collins or Coolio - totally forgot about DLR (shameful, I know).

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm thinking of trying to get a comics column in a paper I write for, and, uh, the first one would be POW! ZIP! Comics aren't for kids anymore, and that's a dang shame!

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 18:24 (twenty years ago)

haha tep just described me pretty much, only we read optic nerve instead (and eightball and chris ware)(basically whoever the new yorker's got on the payroll) and occasionally glance at blankets but never buy it cuz it's really really long and we always get an inner voice asking 'man, am i really that big a pussy?' anytime we think about buying a 2000 page emo comic (...maybe this xmas though).

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Dammit Blount, you're why we had to kill Superman!

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:27 (twenty years ago)

They should put Oprah-Club style stickers on some comics that say: 'man, am i really that big a pussy?'

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Um, I'll go back to my ultra-manly green lantern comics now.

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 October 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago)

x-post
No, "Take my hand, I'm a stranger in paradise" from the early 1950s by Perry Como or some such (Ah, it appears to be from the musical "Kismet" according to Amazon)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Blount, just buy Carnet de Voyage - same guy as Blankets, not as emo (watch out for blobby doe-eyed creature & the last few pages, though), and more worldly, and less pricey, AND smaller.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:31 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i thought about buying that (plus i'm a sucker for travel lit). i swear to god reading emocomics and indielitcomics in public are a good way to pick up chicks in this town, whereas marmaduke compendiums have yet to yield trim.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:37 (twenty years ago)

tieing into the theme of the thread: angry youth comix.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:38 (twenty years ago)

Blount, I hope you don't mind if me & my copies of 32 Stories and From Hell move in next door to you. Also - instead of Marmaduke, try Heathcliff - college chicks dig the pu ... the CAT.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago)

If I'm ever single again, I'm totally going for the Marmaduke trim.

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 4 October 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago)

(Is there ANYONE on ILC who likes/liked Strangers In Paradise?)

There are. But I delete their posts.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 4 October 2004 20:54 (twenty years ago)

So that's what happened to my "TS: Francine vs Katchoo" thread!

― Tep (ktepi), Monday, 4 October 2004 21:01 (twenty years ago)

If you just rework the thread to include Pikachu, I might let it fly.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Monday, 4 October 2004 22:01 (twenty years ago)

Two girls I used to work with both loved Strangers In Paradise. It was the only comic either read. Ever. They thought that superhero comics were laughable.

I read an issue or two (ok, two). It was like a daytime soap. A lesbian, a bisexual girl and some nerdy guy in a love triangle. Average art.

I recommended that they try Love & rockets or Optic Nerve or even Minimum wage. In vain.

Oh yeah, the comic that I know sucks but everyone lese seems to love is 100 Bullets. But I do like the covers. And the art. Just the writing is terrible. It needs more love triangles or something.

― David N (David N.), Monday, 4 October 2004 23:43 (twenty years ago)

I really liked 100 Bullets for about 10 issues. Then I realized the back story didn't actually seem to make sense.

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 01:32 (twenty years ago)

I just read "The Counterfifth Detective" and had to come up for air several times.
Risso's women are almost all fine, though.
It's sort of like the X-Files, where, as long as you realize that the whole intrigue factor is merely for show, that there's nothing behind the curtain, it's okay fun sometimes.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago)

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