Recommend me some essential graphic novels to acquire!

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I was directed here from ILE!

I have no ideas here, because I know nothing. Someone told me I should grab "Hellboy", but I'm coming on here before I get anything.

Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd say Watchmen or the first Invisibles collection, Say You Want a Revolution, which got me back into comics (although then you'll want to keep reading them, it's not exactly self-contained).

Hellboy has amazing art and atmosphere, but not so much with the writing. Also, Alan Moore's Top 10 and Grant Morrison's first New X-Men trade (or hardcover)!

If you want to impress indie girls, though, Craig Thompson seems to be popular these days.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)

What do you like? (If not comics, then movies, books, etc?)

Stuff I tend to recommend no matter what someone answers that question with: Sandman: The Doll's House (a serial killer convention!), Powers: Who Killed Retro Girl? especially if you've ever been into superhero stuff, Animal Man, and Torso (true crime, Eliot Ness vs America's first serial killer). I'd say Fortune and Glory, Bendis's autobiographical thing about having a book optioned by a movie studio and his experiences with that, but you live in LA, don't you, or am I remembering wrong? There might not be anything new for you in that.

Lone Wolf & Cub is good because although there are many volumes of it, most of them are collections of self-contained stories and don't need to be read in any particular order, and you won't be left on any cliffhangers or anything.

Ultimate Spider-Man is virtually guaranteed to please if you liked the Spidey movies (the first volume of USM has a very similar feel and pacing to the first half of the Spidey movie).

Grant Morrison's recent arcs in New X-Men are very popular on ILC, if you're like a returning ex-comics fan, or were into the X-Men movies, etc.

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is much, much better than the movie, which applied the comic to the script much as Auntie Mame recommends applying vermouth to one's martini.

Watchmen is a classic I think you have to have been a superhero fan to love, and The Dark Knight Returns is a classic I think you have to have read in 1986 to love the way it wants to be loved, so I'm not sure I recommend either of them. Sin City might work, though.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh yeah, and Barry Ween is great, too. Calvin & Hobbes + Dexter's Laboratory + South Park = Barry Ween.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

"Watchmen is a classic I think you have to have been a superhero fan to love"

I recently lent Watchmen to a friend who'd never read a comic before and he adored it.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Was he into superhero movies or anything, though? If I'm wrong about it, great -- it's the only Alan Moore my girlfriend doesn't like, and my ex didn't like it nearly as much as later stuff; both of them had minimal contact with superhero stuff beyond Burton's Batman, so I'd just figured they weren't keyed into the right wavelength.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I think you should read some Tintin books.

Also I appreciate this will probably be redundant what with yr supply of roommate stories but you should read Hate! by Peter Bagge - any of the collections are fine.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 7 October 2004 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)

I agree with the Tintin book recommendation. Calculus Affair, Tintin In Tibet, Destination Moon/Explorers On The Moon are all good.

Not really a graphic novel (actually a collection of newspaper strips) but the recent Amy & Jordan book by Mark Beyer is excellent and well worht buying. Very bleak and depressing, but absurd and funny with it. On one level the art is really terrible, on another it's amazing - Beyer draws like a mentally disabled young child, which gives everything this "art brut" quality.

Chriddof (Chriddof), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ed Brubaker's Sleeper! I lent it to someone who had never read comics before and he loved it. Now, everything I lend him after is "good, but not as good as Sleeper."

That's an ongoing series. If you want a complete story in one book, I'd have to say... Chris Ware's Jimmy Corrigan.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, I've never heard of Barry Ween before but Amazon says: "For those of you who understood the deeper meaning of Ren and Stimpy; who studied the philosophical underpinnings of Beavis and Butthead; and who exhaustively examined episode after episode of The Simpsons for its numerous practical appliations in everyday life, then this book is for you, too - you'll just forget the academic pretense and double-over from laughing so much! Introducing Barry Ween - the smartest kid on the earth and an evil genius in the making! You will be astounded by his continuing search for knowledge and his growing capactiy for serious trouble. It's wrong in so many ways, but yet, oh so right!"

Sounds good. I'm going to have to check it out now!

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, I third Tintin. Has anyone ever not liked Tintin? I guess I could see being neutral.

VG, Barry Ween's great! If you hate it, I'll ... I don't know, I'll give you some of my gum or something.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Don't forget The Castifiore Emerald. Best to read a few more traditional Tintin books first, though.

Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)

...but you should read Hate! by Peter Bagge - any of the collections are fine.

There's a single-volume collection of the black-and-white Seattle-set issues coming out in the next few months, so that'll be a good bet.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)

TS: Tintin vs Asterix

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

If I had to pick four:

From Hell
Epileptic
Wigwam Bam (or Jaime Hernandez's much bigger _Locas_, which includes it)
The Frank Book

For more superhero-y kicks: Watchmen really is that good; the Mark Millar-era Authority explores similar issues in a very different way; I thought Alias (the Brian Michael Bendis/Michael Gaydos series, no relation to the TV show) was the best mainstream comic in years and years. (It's about a woman who used to be a superheroine but couldn't hack it in the big time, so now she's a P.I., drinks way too much, and tends to end up sleeping with various B-list superheroes.)

I love The Invisibles more than just about any other comic, but my take on it is that it's sort of weak near the beginning and becomes an unstoppable juggernaut in the last few volumes. Other people think exactly the opposite.

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Alias (the Brian Michael Bendis/Michael Gaydos series, no relation to the TV show

I thought this was directly related to the tv show (i.e., the show is based off the comic)?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Btw, I have not read the comic or seen the show.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Not in any way, shape or form (unless the show actually did open with Sydney getting anal from Luke Cage and I missed it).

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Nope, no connection -- there was also an Alias-the-TV-show comic (there might still be?), but Bendis Alias was about a private investigator who's a former Avenger (the TV show's about a second-generation spy who was briefly a double agent and tends to go undercover a lot). The name (and the fact that each has a female protagonist) is just a coincidence, probably an unfortunate one.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

(Oh yeah, and then there's the anal.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I think I remember hearing about the anal, except I thought it was in reference to Powers, so over the course of the trades I kept half-expecting Deena to profess her love for the anal arts.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

For the uninitiated:

Alias = anal sex
Powers = monkey sex

And, yeah, Alias is damn good stuff - the series-ending story (Purple) is probably the high point.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Purple is probably the most ambitious thing Bendis has done. I'm not saying it's the best -- although it's very good -- but I think he attempts a lot more there than I expected of him. But it probably works best if you've read at least a smattering of the title leading up to that (I still haven't caught up on the series myself).

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

How many volumes are there?

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

4 or 5, I think.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Four volumes, and "Purple" is the last one (and the best, and yes you have to read the others first). It's about how the main character got to be as fucked-up as she is, & about how there are certain horrible things that can ONLY happen to superheroes... terrifying and amazing.

Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

For the sake of continuity, I'm including a link to the ILE version of this thread (which went meta on the ILC tip!) (not that everyone here doesn't already know this, since we've all posted to &/or read the thread, but for the sake of future ILC visitors, I turn pedant):

recommend me some essential graphic novels to acquire

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

The thing with me and superheroes is that superheroes have always been my 'way in' to comics - I don't read much prose fiction and after a long comics lay-off (as was the recent case) I tend to ease my way back in by reading spandex stuff. Then after a while I get annoyed with that and read the non-spandex stuff too. And then I will start threads about *that*.

If we have new people on ILC can we revive my European porno comix thread please?

Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Does it have pictures?

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Not yet.

Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)

(That's a superhint, Wooden.) (Appropriate handle for the Euro-porn thread, that.)

David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)

nine months pass...
revive!!

i LOVE comix but honestly i haven't been able to keep up with them in years. some stuff i love: watchmen, dark knight returns, crisis on infinite earths, many of the major superheroes... i dunno, i guess that describes pretty much any comic fan!!

i guess the last collection i was into was league of extraordinary gentlemen.

what else should i get? top 10? people seem to like that...

the point is i've had lots of freelance work this summer & i can finally justify blowing $50-$100 on comic books. so let's get crackin'!!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 5 August 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)

DC: The New Frontier!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!

...

!!!!!!!!!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)

tell me about it!!

i'm so excited. i'm going tomorrow after work.

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 5 August 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)

ILC seems enjoy Queen & Country, I think.

Leeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 5 August 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

what's that all about? sipping tea and munching on scones?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 5 August 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)

Pretty close, actually!

It's about a plucky young lady who's also Britain's best spy! And they talk a lot in those delectable London accents, and fight terrorists while they wearing typically English suits!

Leeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 5 August 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)

I read one story of that series, and I was kinda distracted by the fact that the heroine, despite being thin and trimmed, had ENORMOUS tits. I mean, it wasn't spandex, it was supposed to be sorta realistic, so why did the characters still have to look like teenage wet dreams?

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 5 August 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)

Did you think they were unrealistically large?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 5 August 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 5 August 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

i just got the filth - my first gn in 12 years. i got it cos kit recommended me a shop that was cheap and i was in the city and i had 5 mins. 5 mins to scan the racks. go - o! 315 pgs. $20.

its very entertaining.

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 5 August 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)

Here, for example?

http://www.thefourthrail.com/images/reviews/100404/queenandcountry27.jpg

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 5 August 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)

She's wearing a hot little number here:

http://www.onipress.com/preview/qc08pg08.jpg

Is that gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me?

Wait- that doesn't make sense.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Friday, 5 August 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

LET GO OF THE TITTAYS!

S1ocki: DC: The New Frontier = mondo-sized mini-series by former animator / current comic superstar Darwyn Cooke covering the entirety (and I mean the entirety) of the DC Universe circa the period right before the Silver Age kicked into gear, full of clandestine goings-on and space boggins and dinosaurs and groovy architecture and ALL THE GOOD STUFF. Here's what an ILC search turns up: WOOT! (watch out for spoilers!)

Also: it might be a smidge expensive, but it is totally worth it. AND your lack of knowledge going in don't mean a damn thing. (I might actually reread this tonight, assuming I can find all my copies.)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

that sounds pretty awesome! i'll see if they have it!!

how big is it? one thing i loved about watchmen was that it was bound in one paperback but it was meaty!! lots of GNs i can read in one sitting, sadly

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

I think the boobs were even bigger than in those two examples, they looked downright goofy. Also, the heroine was wearing unpractical yet sexy clothes (like spiked heels) all the time, even though she was supposed to be a secret agent or something. You'd think agents prefer mobility and practicality over looking hot. None of this would've otherwise bothered me, but the story seemed to be aiming for realism, so this particular thing seemed kinda silly.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

LET GO OF THE TITTAYS!

S1ocki, it's actually split up into two $20US volumes - both volumes are over 200+ pages, tho, and feature BONUS MATERIAL that us pamphlet-buying plebes didn't get. I think a mondo-sized HC is coming out soon, but DON'T WAIT - ORDER TODAY!

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

If we get ILC t-shirts made, they should say "LET GO OF THE TITTAYS!" in big red letters on the front.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

And Power Girl on the back, natch.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

LET GO OF THE TITTAYS!

So this is how you comic folks deal with a bit of feminist criticism? Harrumph!

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

It may have a better main plot, but all the other stuff in Vol.II seemed like dot-joining exercises from Vol.I - yes she's that Mina Harker, yes, she'll shack up with Quartermain, yes Hyde will eventually kill Griffin.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)

I think that connect-the-dots stuff was kind of necessary, tho, as a breather (they had to get around to it sooner or later.) I do wish the comic would go on, tho.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Plus the backup in the first story was another story, but in the second it was a 1,000 question quiz - with two or three important plot points thrown in!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:31 (twenty years ago)

Maddie has the singles for LXG vol. 2 (there are only six issues, correct?) and I read four of them last night. I'm enjoying it as much as the first, though you guys are right about the inevitable character arcs and about it being more of a traditional action story. I'm totally going to read War of the Worlds now.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm also well aware that sped by most of the background references, didn't someone have a link to an annotation site? I haven't been reading the back up stuff either (yet...it's such a shock to go from comics to all those words within the same book!).

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Jess Nevins stopped doing the annotations online during LXG 2, but he did put out a second booksworth of them.

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

i guess the LXG source material (ie what is being referred to & stuff) is more what i've been "into" for the last 15 years or so, in terms of lit & movies & stuff (let's not forget that in my comix hiatus i got an english lit degree), than top 10, as i've mentioned a lot, i've been pretty out of touch with comics. so perhaps i'm not really appreciating it for what it is.

but i am more of a sucker for the lxg long-arc stuff than the top 10 stuff where the stories seem more issue-confined. perhaps this is rockist of me!! or perhaps it comes from my addiction to long-arc tv (cf buffy etc).

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

(maybe i should say medium-arc)

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

Cool, all the annotations are still online:

http://www.enjolrasworld.com/Jess%20Nevins/League%20of%20Extraordinary%20Gentlemen/LoEG%20index.htm

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

oops i did it again!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 21 August 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
oh man. you guys have no idea how much $$ i've laid out since starting this thread.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

OMG YOU'RE GEAR!

Dude, sorry about the couch, man.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

i mean reviving this thread! REVIVING this thread!

reviving this thread!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)

Has anyone ever seen slocki and gear in the same room? I think not!

Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)

It's only been a month since the revival!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

and what a month.

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

s1ocki, if you're in town you should know silver snail are doing hoooge discounts on GNs right now

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

i know!! actually my shop in mtl does the US prices too. it's awesome!

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

ps let's grab a drink sometime

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
LOEG >>>>>> top10.

how great is o'neill on this? (btw read top10 first)

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)

Top 10 has the Vending Machine joke.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)

mullygrubbr otm

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

The scene with Hyde at the dinner table destroys all of Top 10 all by itself.

Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 27 October 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

ssh, gaz probably hasn't read vol. 2 yet!

(not that you were very specific, but for everyone else...)

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 27 October 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

nah i read 2. i liked it MORE than 1. wots this 49ers hardcovr kino just got in kit?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 27 October 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
so... having read top 10 v2 twice since i last posted to this thread, and re-read the first one... i can say i now like it a lot. maybe not as much as LXG but it really is terrific stuff. the gamer story almost got me all misty when i re-read it yesterday!

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 11 December 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)

the throwing things game!

dave k, Sunday, 11 December 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

The last couple of panels of that are a joy.

"Oh aye, he's always getting killed, that one."

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 12 December 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

Hmm can people quickly throw out some names of Graphic Novels that I should acquire (nothing superhero)

I have:
-Jimmy Corrigan
-Ghost World and David Boring (I don't think I want any more from Clowes)
-The Frank Book
-Ordinary Victories
-From Hell
-Blankets (well my sister has it)

-I probably need all the Maus stuff (I remember liking it)

Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 00:23 (sixteen years ago)

If I go for another Moore book I would go for The Swamp Thing stuff

Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 00:34 (sixteen years ago)

Ed the Happy Clown

Magnolia Caboose Babyfinger (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 00:36 (sixteen years ago)

(and Clowes' best is Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron, which isn't really anything like his later stuff)

Magnolia Caboose Babyfinger (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 00:36 (sixteen years ago)

If you're looking for more weirdy, dreamlike stuff along the lines of Frank, Rick Veitch's Rare Bit Fiends (collected in a series of three trades entitled The Dream Art Of Rick Veitch) is a perennial fave.

Zoo Snickers (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 02:31 (sixteen years ago)

(and Clowes' best is Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron,

rong

which isn't really anything like his later stuff)

troo

an terror has occurred (sic), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:12 (sixteen years ago)

Don't forget this thread's twice as large bizarro sibling, which has many great recommendations that I'm still slowly working my way through:

recommend me some essential graphic novels to acquire

Everything in life is real....EVERYTHING (Z S), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:15 (sixteen years ago)

Jaime Hernandez, Locas
Gilbert Hernandez, Palomar
R. Crumb, Complete Crumb Comics Vol. 4 (reprints Zap #0 and #1)
some Moebius sf

WmC, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:18 (sixteen years ago)

yeah, the problem is too many recommendations actually. That's why I'm looking forward to see the results of the decade comics poll.

Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 18:35 (sixteen years ago)

Hmm can people quickly throw out some names of Graphic Novels that I should acquire

― Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:23 AM

3 people throw out some names, two days later Lorax complains that too many people replied to his request

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 23:03 (sixteen years ago)

lol

i put Ordinary Victories on my library reserve, hope it's good

Nhex, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 23:08 (sixteen years ago)

No - what I meant by too many recommendations is reading through all the graphic novel threads - not the 3 people who helped me look up some new stuff that might fit my flavor profile (you all kinda know what sort of graphic novels I like based on the ones I mentioned owning).

Ordinary Victories has great colorful art and stylish minimalistic-looking people. The second half of the series (part 3 and 4 released as What is Precious) didn't have as good of a plot as the first one but it was good all the same. I remember one reviewer said that these books were a little too meandering since there isn't any huge consistent theme/motif on the surface but I appreciate a good story even if it's just a fluid depiction of reality rather than a carefully tooled, systematic story.

Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 17 December 2009 05:52 (sixteen years ago)

i think ordinary victories is great when read front to back. and i think there's a lot of carefully tooled systematic story in there! it's just naturalistic and vaguely autobio is all.

fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 December 2009 21:34 (sixteen years ago)

well I meant tooled as in the story incorporates metaphorical themes and motifs that are more than just the theme that is plain to see (it's really hard to explain this), but yeah it's a naturalistic story with some of the best images I have ever seen which are definitely carefully tootled.

the not as great, lesser known gatsby (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 17 December 2009 23:17 (sixteen years ago)

I have no doubt that there is some theme/s that you find when you really read into the character/s

the not as great, lesser known gatsby (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 17 December 2009 23:19 (sixteen years ago)

it's a good story.

fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 December 2009 02:32 (sixteen years ago)

I wish I could draw a lot better (and QUICKER)...one of the great things about graphic novels is that, even when the scope is really ambitious, there's this great punk-like feeling of "oh, *I* could do that..."

Everything in life is real....EVERYTHING (Z S), Friday, 18 December 2009 03:04 (sixteen years ago)

There's certainly plenty of good storytellers and comic makers who aren't the best draftsman. Dash Shaw comes to mind immediately.

fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 December 2009 03:11 (sixteen years ago)

Dash Shaw is an INCREDIBLE colour artist though, I would never look at a non-b&w piece of his and think "I could do that!" - his colour sense is so great, and so well-deployed as a storytelling tool, that it's the most significant thing about him as a cartoonist IMO*

*haven't read BBB

Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Friday, 18 December 2009 04:22 (sixteen years ago)

agreed, but i'm thinking b+w

fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 December 2009 06:05 (sixteen years ago)

haha, i'm with you ZS

Nhex, Friday, 18 December 2009 07:48 (sixteen years ago)


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