I have no ideas here, because I know nothing. Someone told me I should grab "Hellboy", but I'm coming on here before I get anything.
― Gear! (Gear!), Thursday, 7 October 2004 01:59 (twenty-one years ago)
Hellboy has amazing art and atmosphere, but not so much with the writing. Also, Alan Moore's Top 10 and Grant Morrison's first New X-Men trade (or hardcover)!
If you want to impress indie girls, though, Craig Thompson seems to be popular these days.
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)
Stuff I tend to recommend no matter what someone answers that question with: Sandman: The Doll's House (a serial killer convention!), Powers: Who Killed Retro Girl? especially if you've ever been into superhero stuff, Animal Man, and Torso (true crime, Eliot Ness vs America's first serial killer). I'd say Fortune and Glory, Bendis's autobiographical thing about having a book optioned by a movie studio and his experiences with that, but you live in LA, don't you, or am I remembering wrong? There might not be anything new for you in that.
Lone Wolf & Cub is good because although there are many volumes of it, most of them are collections of self-contained stories and don't need to be read in any particular order, and you won't be left on any cliffhangers or anything.
Ultimate Spider-Man is virtually guaranteed to please if you liked the Spidey movies (the first volume of USM has a very similar feel and pacing to the first half of the Spidey movie).
Grant Morrison's recent arcs in New X-Men are very popular on ILC, if you're like a returning ex-comics fan, or were into the X-Men movies, etc.
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is much, much better than the movie, which applied the comic to the script much as Auntie Mame recommends applying vermouth to one's martini.
Watchmen is a classic I think you have to have been a superhero fan to love, and The Dark Knight Returns is a classic I think you have to have read in 1986 to love the way it wants to be loved, so I'm not sure I recommend either of them. Sin City might work, though.
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:11 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)
I recently lent Watchmen to a friend who'd never read a comic before and he adored it.
― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 02:23 (twenty-one years ago)
Also I appreciate this will probably be redundant what with yr supply of roommate stories but you should read Hate! by Peter Bagge - any of the collections are fine.
― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 7 October 2004 08:05 (twenty-one years ago)
Not really a graphic novel (actually a collection of newspaper strips) but the recent Amy & Jordan book by Mark Beyer is excellent and well worht buying. Very bleak and depressing, but absurd and funny with it. On one level the art is really terrible, on another it's amazing - Beyer draws like a mentally disabled young child, which gives everything this "art brut" quality.
― Chriddof (Chriddof), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:13 (twenty-one years ago)
That's an ongoing series. If you want a complete story in one book, I'd have to say... Chris Ware's Jimmy Corrigan.
― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:15 (twenty-one years ago)
Sounds good. I'm going to have to check it out now!
― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 7 October 2004 11:18 (twenty-one years ago)
VG, Barry Ween's great! If you hate it, I'll ... I don't know, I'll give you some of my gum or something.
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)
― Wooden (Wooden), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:14 (twenty-one years ago)
There's a single-volume collection of the black-and-white Seattle-set issues coming out in the next few months, so that'll be a good bet.
― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 7 October 2004 12:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)
From HellEpileptic Wigwam Bam (or Jaime Hernandez's much bigger _Locas_, which includes it)The Frank Book
For more superhero-y kicks: Watchmen really is that good; the Mark Millar-era Authority explores similar issues in a very different way; I thought Alias (the Brian Michael Bendis/Michael Gaydos series, no relation to the TV show) was the best mainstream comic in years and years. (It's about a woman who used to be a superheroine but couldn't hack it in the big time, so now she's a P.I., drinks way too much, and tends to end up sleeping with various B-list superheroes.)
I love The Invisibles more than just about any other comic, but my take on it is that it's sort of weak near the beginning and becomes an unstoppable juggernaut in the last few volumes. Other people think exactly the opposite.
― Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)
I thought this was directly related to the tv show (i.e., the show is based off the comic)?
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:01 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)
Alias = anal sexPowers = monkey sex
And, yeah, Alias is damn good stuff - the series-ending story (Purple) is probably the high point.
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 7 October 2004 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)
recommend me some essential graphic novels to acquire
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 October 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)
If we have new people on ILC can we revive my European porno comix thread please?
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)
― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:15 (twenty-one years ago)
i LOVE comix but honestly i haven't been able to keep up with them in years. some stuff i love: watchmen, dark knight returns, crisis on infinite earths, many of the major superheroes... i dunno, i guess that describes pretty much any comic fan!!
i guess the last collection i was into was league of extraordinary gentlemen.
what else should i get? top 10? people seem to like that...
the point is i've had lots of freelance work this summer & i can finally justify blowing $50-$100 on comic books. so let's get crackin'!!
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 5 August 2005 04:20 (twenty years ago)
!!!!!!!!
...
!!!!!!!!!!!
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 04:30 (twenty years ago)
i'm so excited. i'm going tomorrow after work.
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 5 August 2005 04:32 (twenty years ago)
― Leeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 5 August 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 5 August 2005 05:08 (twenty years ago)
It's about a plucky young lady who's also Britain's best spy! And they talk a lot in those delectable London accents, and fight terrorists while they wearing typically English suits!
― Leeeeeeee (Leee), Friday, 5 August 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 5 August 2005 06:49 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 5 August 2005 08:32 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 5 August 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)
its very entertaining.
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Friday, 5 August 2005 09:59 (twenty years ago)
http://www.thefourthrail.com/images/reviews/100404/queenandcountry27.jpg
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 5 August 2005 10:30 (twenty years ago)
http://www.onipress.com/preview/qc08pg08.jpg
Is that gun in your pants or are you just happy to see me?
Wait- that doesn't make sense.
― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Friday, 5 August 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)
S1ocki: DC: The New Frontier = mondo-sized mini-series by former animator / current comic superstar Darwyn Cooke covering the entirety (and I mean the entirety) of the DC Universe circa the period right before the Silver Age kicked into gear, full of clandestine goings-on and space boggins and dinosaurs and groovy architecture and ALL THE GOOD STUFF. Here's what an ILC search turns up: WOOT! (watch out for spoilers!)
Also: it might be a smidge expensive, but it is totally worth it. AND your lack of knowledge going in don't mean a damn thing. (I might actually reread this tonight, assuming I can find all my copies.)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)
how big is it? one thing i loved about watchmen was that it was bound in one paperback but it was meaty!! lots of GNs i can read in one sitting, sadly
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)
S1ocki, it's actually split up into two $20US volumes - both volumes are over 200+ pages, tho, and feature BONUS MATERIAL that us pamphlet-buying plebes didn't get. I think a mondo-sized HC is coming out soon, but DON'T WAIT - ORDER TODAY!
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)
So this is how you comic folks deal with a bit of feminist criticism? Harrumph!
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 5 August 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 19 August 2005 09:54 (twenty years ago)
― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 19 August 2005 11:31 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 August 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)
― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 19 August 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)
but i am more of a sucker for the lxg long-arc stuff than the top 10 stuff where the stories seem more issue-confined. perhaps this is rockist of me!! or perhaps it comes from my addiction to long-arc tv (cf buffy etc).
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 August 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 19 August 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)
http://www.enjolrasworld.com/Jess%20Nevins/League%20of%20Extraordinary%20Gentlemen/LoEG%20index.htm
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 19 August 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 21 August 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)
Dude, sorry about the couch, man.
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)
reviving this thread!
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 05:03 (twenty years ago)
― Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)
how great is o'neill on this? (btw read top10 first)
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 06:41 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 10:04 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)
― Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 27 October 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)
(not that you were very specific, but for everyone else...)
― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 27 October 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)
― mullygrubbr (bulbs), Thursday, 27 October 2005 07:30 (twenty years ago)
― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 11 December 2005 16:49 (twenty years ago)
― dave k, Sunday, 11 December 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)
"Oh aye, he's always getting killed, that one."
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 12 December 2005 10:13 (twenty years ago)
Hmm can people quickly throw out some names of Graphic Novels that I should acquire (nothing superhero)
I have:-Jimmy Corrigan-Ghost World and David Boring (I don't think I want any more from Clowes)-The Frank Book-Ordinary Victories-From Hell-Blankets (well my sister has it)
-I probably need all the Maus stuff (I remember liking it)
― Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 00:23 (sixteen years ago)
If I go for another Moore book I would go for The Swamp Thing stuff
― Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 00:34 (sixteen years ago)
Ed the Happy Clown
― Magnolia Caboose Babyfinger (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 00:36 (sixteen years ago)
(and Clowes' best is Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron, which isn't really anything like his later stuff)
If you're looking for more weirdy, dreamlike stuff along the lines of Frank, Rick Veitch's Rare Bit Fiends (collected in a series of three trades entitled The Dream Art Of Rick Veitch) is a perennial fave.
― Zoo Snickers (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 02:31 (sixteen years ago)
(and Clowes' best is Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron,
rong
which isn't really anything like his later stuff)
troo
― an terror has occurred (sic), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:12 (sixteen years ago)
Don't forget this thread's twice as large bizarro sibling, which has many great recommendations that I'm still slowly working my way through:
― Everything in life is real....EVERYTHING (Z S), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:15 (sixteen years ago)
Jaime Hernandez, LocasGilbert Hernandez, PalomarR. Crumb, Complete Crumb Comics Vol. 4 (reprints Zap #0 and #1)some Moebius sf
― WmC, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:18 (sixteen years ago)
1000 Full length Stories/Compilations that belong on your shelf or How to create a great and praiseworthy comic collection and also go broke (a comics journall-ly type list thread)
― the terius of a goon (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 05:26 (sixteen years ago)
yeah, the problem is too many recommendations actually. That's why I'm looking forward to see the results of the decade comics poll.
― Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 18:35 (sixteen years ago)
Hmm can people quickly throw out some names of Graphic Novels that I should acquire― Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:23 AM
― Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Tuesday, December 15, 2009 11:23 AM
3 people throw out some names, two days later Lorax complains that too many people replied to his request
― Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Wednesday, 16 December 2009 23:03 (sixteen years ago)
lol
i put Ordinary Victories on my library reserve, hope it's good
― Nhex, Wednesday, 16 December 2009 23:08 (sixteen years ago)
No - what I meant by too many recommendations is reading through all the graphic novel threads - not the 3 people who helped me look up some new stuff that might fit my flavor profile (you all kinda know what sort of graphic novels I like based on the ones I mentioned owning).
Ordinary Victories has great colorful art and stylish minimalistic-looking people. The second half of the series (part 3 and 4 released as What is Precious) didn't have as good of a plot as the first one but it was good all the same. I remember one reviewer said that these books were a little too meandering since there isn't any huge consistent theme/motif on the surface but I appreciate a good story even if it's just a fluid depiction of reality rather than a carefully tooled, systematic story.
― Dave Matthews Bann (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 17 December 2009 05:52 (sixteen years ago)
i think ordinary victories is great when read front to back. and i think there's a lot of carefully tooled systematic story in there! it's just naturalistic and vaguely autobio is all.
― fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 17 December 2009 21:34 (sixteen years ago)
well I meant tooled as in the story incorporates metaphorical themes and motifs that are more than just the theme that is plain to see (it's really hard to explain this), but yeah it's a naturalistic story with some of the best images I have ever seen which are definitely carefully tootled.
― the not as great, lesser known gatsby (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 17 December 2009 23:17 (sixteen years ago)
I have no doubt that there is some theme/s that you find when you really read into the character/s
― the not as great, lesser known gatsby (CaptainLorax), Thursday, 17 December 2009 23:19 (sixteen years ago)
it's a good story.
― fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 December 2009 02:32 (sixteen years ago)
I wish I could draw a lot better (and QUICKER)...one of the great things about graphic novels is that, even when the scope is really ambitious, there's this great punk-like feeling of "oh, *I* could do that..."
― Everything in life is real....EVERYTHING (Z S), Friday, 18 December 2009 03:04 (sixteen years ago)
There's certainly plenty of good storytellers and comic makers who aren't the best draftsman. Dash Shaw comes to mind immediately.
― fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 December 2009 03:11 (sixteen years ago)
Dash Shaw is an INCREDIBLE colour artist though, I would never look at a non-b&w piece of his and think "I could do that!" - his colour sense is so great, and so well-deployed as a storytelling tool, that it's the most significant thing about him as a cartoonist IMO*
*haven't read BBB
― Audrey Wetherspoons (sic), Friday, 18 December 2009 04:22 (sixteen years ago)
agreed, but i'm thinking b+w
― fictional, homosexual, Baltimore hoodlum (forksclovetofu), Friday, 18 December 2009 06:05 (sixteen years ago)
haha, i'm with you ZS
― Nhex, Friday, 18 December 2009 07:48 (sixteen years ago)