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I re-read this mini last night.

At the time it was a Big Deal - Alan Moore does superheroes again OMG! Did the promised 80-page giant story conclusion ever come out? It seems to me that this was (like Watchmen) very influential and also (like Watchmen) not necessarily in a good way.

It was a good series, I think. The pastiche element is funny, but also it suggests that Moore could have done a really really fantastic Morrison-JLA-style straight superhero book. But the last issue was fairly poor - that 'mmmmm multiverses' knowingness that preoccupied certain writers all through the 90s.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Moore's run on WildCATS sounds like the kind of thing you're thinking of. Excellent stuff that suffers hideously from having to fit an appalling crossover into it.

Vic Fluro, Friday, 8 October 2004 11:32 (twenty-one years ago)

WildCATS I sort of think of as him doing the Claremont X-Men right.

Tom (Groke), Friday, 8 October 2004 11:35 (twenty-one years ago)

The last chapter never came out (thank *you* Rob Liefeld), nor did the 1962 1/2 special by Rick Veitch/Paul Mavrides and others.

Yes it was a big deal back then, as it was Moore's first superhero work since leaving DC (think he'd started Big Numbers and From Hell by then, though). It's fun and all, but it's not going to stand up as one of his enduring works.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:10 (twenty-one years ago)

can you buy this in shops? I always think it sounds like FUN, but perhaps is actually just RUB, in the way that Supreme is.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

it also ties in with my idea that Alan Moore is arguably no good, because he can only do pastiche.

DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 8 October 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Dunno about in the UK, but you can still find all the issues in quarter bins over here in the states. It's quite fun, and very little rub.

You can argue that point, but you'd be wrong. There was very little pastiche in Swamp Thing in terms of story. Sure, he borrowed a bunch of characters from the DCU, but he also made up a bunch of original stuff as well (that wasn't directly tied to stuff that came before.) The basis of the characters in Watchmen might be pastiche, but the situations aren't, nor are his observations (whether or not he plagurized SUPERFOLKS is for someone else to discuss, as I've not read it). V is more or less whole-cloth original. From Hell is, even if it's got a base in history.

Supreme, from what I've heard is unapologetically pastiche. But I'd argue that his ABC stuff isn't entirely so (though he is working with known archetypes, more from the pulp vein, though.)

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Top Ten in particular is original characters in a familiar situation packed full of visual references/gags. But not pastiche, I'd say.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 8 October 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

I have this series! It's great, though I'm not sure where I've stored it.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Vicar, I'll "sell" you my copies, i.e. trade them for F.A. account funds, if you're interested. Cover price + shipping, assuming you can't find copies cheaper locally.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 8 October 2004 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

nor did the 1962 1/2 special by Rick Veitch/Paul Mavrides and others.

nb: this was actually a Kennedy-assassination/conspiracy/sci-fi miniseries, called 1963½, by Alex Cox and Dick Rude with Mavrides. (No, it never came out, but the ad for it in 1963 was a "sorry-for-getting-our-unrelated-comic-with-a-similar-title-out-first" bit of largesse by Bissette and Veitch. It had been in progress or development or something for a couple of years at that point.)

Jim Lee is the most responsible for the Annual never coming out, though it's all fairly moot now. Veitch was still keen to do it a couple of years ago, and Moore came up with a new plot at the time (to suit all the splintering of IP), but DC legal would presumably make it too difficult to bother now, even if they had an Image partner sponsor. When Bissette took his ball and went home a few years ago, Veitch made sure to get a clause in the property splits that allowed for his characters to still be used in the annual should it ever come to pass...

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 11 October 2004 02:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Vicar, I'll "sell" you my copies, i.e. trade them for F.A. account funds, if you're interested. Cover price + shipping, assuming you can't find copies cheaper locally.

hey, this sounds like a deal. we must use the magic of e-mail to discuss this.

DiVi, Monday, 11 October 2004 11:11 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
i would love to read this series - it hasn't been traded, has it? is there any reliable, cheap way of buying back issues in the UK?

i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 28 April 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

This guy has 5 of the 6 for £1 each and combined shipping discounts.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 28 April 2006 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

thank you aldo! x

i am not a nugget (stevie), Friday, 28 April 2006 17:05 (nineteen years ago)


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