Lord Snooty and His Ilk: Class War in BritComix

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it's been mentioned before as an abiding theme in british comics, but i think we ought to startle and depress non-UK readers by listing and expanding on quite HOW abiding it is!!

mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 October 2004 06:59 (twenty-one years ago)

the mother of all = in the beano lo! these 568928 years (is it still?)
Lord Snooty and His Pals (foes: the Gasworks Gang)

Lord Snooty lives in a castle and wears a top hat. He has several pals, not self-evidently posh like him. The Gasworks Gang are older and thuggish.

mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 October 2004 07:02 (twenty-one years ago)

2. The Snobbs and the Slobbs (just mentioned by Robster, in Nutty)
3. The Tuffs and the Toffs (in Knockout I think)
4. Ivor Lott And Tony Broke (ditto? cited by tom on the IPC top 100 thread)
5. Milly O'Naire And Penny Less (ditto)
6. The Upper Crusts and the Lazy Loafers (cited by Aldo on the IPC top 100)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 October 2004 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Ivor Lott and Tony Broke and Milly O'Naire and Penny Less.

Every single strip: Broke-ass protagonist finds meager material gain only to be dramatically one-upped by bullying wealthy aquaintance. Ivor/Milly usually hoisted by own petard in final panel.

(I think one of these was recently parodied in Viz).

Oh xpost

robster (robster), Monday, 11 October 2004 07:14 (twenty-one years ago)

wow i just found out that snooty's real name wz "Marmaduke Lord Bunkerton"!!

apparently it shut up shop in 1990, but wz beano's longest-running strip

mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 October 2004 07:17 (twenty-one years ago)

To think in all that time he only sat in the House of Lords once. (There was an 80s strip where he goes to a kids House of Lords to debate whether to raise the price of sweets)

robster (robster), Monday, 11 October 2004 07:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Dennis The Menace and Walter fits into this too - I know there isn't a Lord Snooty kind of gap, and they are neighbours, but it's still there.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 11 October 2004 10:52 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah i wz gunna get into this too: cf also cuthbert cringeworthy in the bash street kids etc - and the token posh kid in eg "carson's cubs" (he is called algy something and wears a monocle)

7. the swotts and the blotts
8. bully beef and chips

also the beano vs dandy, beezer vs topper crossclass outreach programme-cum-dialectic (as mr d. c. thomson always referred to it inthe meeting)

there are three types, i think:
the cheerful poor vs up-themselves nouveau riche
hooligan idiots vs teachers pets
oikish lower orders vs lovable aristos

mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 October 2004 11:29 (twenty-one years ago)

the last is i think the unexpected and hard-to-follow one: kind of a nostalgic idealised dream of feudalism, "all england loves a lord" etc

mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 October 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

in an ep of dandy's "the smasher" - who kinda resembles a fat dennis the menace and whose shtick is he likes fites - he takes on a crowd of foopball hooligans

he loses (they pound him) but is a hero to Ver Kidz cz he draws all the fire

"the smasher" is uber-rub on a stick on stilts on skates BUT the politics here are interesting: basically the divide seems to be "older kids who behave like us = bad evil louts"

now interpret me bully beef and chips: in particular why were bully's shorts so TIGHT?
http://www.comicsuk.co.uk/images/ComicInformationPages/Dandy/DandyStrip4.gif

(the smasher has red hair for some unknown reason in this panel)

mark s (mark s), Monday, 11 October 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

What would a modern Classwar strip look like? The Chavs And The Charlies?

Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 October 2004 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Starring Blazing Squad and Busted!

Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 11 October 2004 18:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The Bumpkin Billionaires (IPC) the most interesting of these kind of strips (despite being a big Beverly Hillbillies rip-off): the middle-class bank manager attempting to curb the spending of the nouveau-riche yokels (who were trying to get rid of their money to return to their former, working-class lives) with HILARIOUS CONSEQUENCES.

National Frump Disco (National Frump Disco), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

key point to Bumpkin Billionaries was that their plans to lose money always accidentally made them more money

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 13:55 (twenty-one years ago)


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