Fortress of Solitude

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So I'm reading Jonathan Lethem's Fortress of Solitude, and I'm not done yet and don't know if I'll have anything particular to say about it (I don't like talking about books), but a couple of quotes from the perspective of an early 70s elementary school kid struck me as just very nice glimpses of how comics felt at that age:

The Human Torch was the Invisible Girl's younger brother, and the Invisible Girl was married to Mr Fantastic, and Ben Grimm was The Thing and Alicia was his blind girlfriend, a sculptress who could honestly appreciate his hideous but monumental body, and the Silver Surfer was Galactus's emissary and Galactus ate planets but the Silver Surfer had helped the Fantastic Four protect Earth, and Black Bolt couldn't open his mouth because a single syllable of his speech was so powerful it might crack the world apart -- Croft and his mother explained it all to Dylan, word balloons in the bright panels on the pale yellow paper, while Vendlemachine moved her lips silently and eventually dozed in her chair...

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Dylan was really horrified to learn he'd let so much time slip past, so much essential cultural history. Forget what you thought you knew. The Silver Surfer, for example, was a situation you couldn't really understand if you came in too late. Mingus only shook his head. You didn't want to try to explain something so tragic and mystical.

New comics arrived at newsstands on Tuesdays. Mingus Rude would have an armload, bought or stolen, Dylan didn't ask. Some were bimonthly, some monthly, you learned by reading the letters page, you built up anticipation for special issues, too, oversized Annuals and one-time special events like the Avengers-Defenders Wars or Origins. In Origins you learned how superheroes got started, the answer generally being: radiation. In the Annuals and Wars you satisfied, at least provisionally, the question of who could take who. Hulk and Iron Man would face off for a page or two, always vowing to settle it for good another time.

Spider-Man's girlfriend, Gwen, had been killed by the Goblin, it wasn't funny in the least. That's why Spider-Man was so depressed all the time.

Captain Marvel wasn't Shazam, it was confusing. He'd been revived to assert a copyright on the name, and nobody could say whether he really fit into the Marvel Universe all that well. DC Comics, Marvel Comics' antithesis, presented a laughable, flattened reality -- Superman and Batman were jokes, ruined by television.

In truth, Superman in his Fortress of Solitude reminded you all too much of [protagonist Dylan's artist father] Abraham in his high studio, brooding over nothing.

Swamp Thing was a rip-off of Man-Thing, or vice versa.

An uneasiness hung over certain titles. Different artists drew the same characters different ways -- you could hurt your eyes trying to account for it, to grant continuity to these hobbled stories. Weaker superheroes were propped up with guest appearances by Spider-Man or the Hulk, confusing chronology terribly. An Einstein could lose his mind trying to explain how the Fantastic Four had helped the Inhumans fight the Mole Man when by clear testimony of their own magazine they were trapped in the Negative Zone the whole time.

The Incredible Hulk, if you followed him closely over time, lost the use of pronouns.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I started reading this about a month ago. I got about three pages into it and, I, ah, realized how the last year of crime fiction and comic books have affected my attention span.

Huk-L, Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

my marvel years (in case you never saw it)

mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Woo! I hadn't!

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 20:00 (twenty-one years ago)

That's a lovely essay. :>

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I concur. I really want to marry Jonathan Lethem now.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 20:44 (twenty-one years ago)

It's interesting, it's making me think of Kirby -- well, of his work -- differently than I had been, probably because I'm the next comics fan "generation" after Lethem; Kirby's "return to Marvel" stuff was in the back issue bin when I started reading, but it was easier to get ahold of than his earliest Marvel stuff. I probably read Kirby's Eternals before I read the Lee-Kirby FF or X-Men, barring a few reprints here and there. (I think the only early comics I've seen reprinted more than FF #1 are Action Comics #1 and Amazing Fantasy #15.)

'I just never liked the way he drew knees.'

Fred Hembeck to thread!

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I read this a couple of months ago — the best book I've read this year. Very spookily reminiscent of my own childhood and adolescence, right down to how comics sort of fell away as I got older, replaced by pop music, except the comics never really went all the way away. I imagine there's not a regular ILXor who wouldn't get some small thrill of self-recognition somewhere in this book. I think Lethem must be about my age; there were moments of OTMness that creeped me out completely.

William Crump (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 12 October 2004 21:04 (twenty-one years ago)

hmm, never read Lethem but that was indeed a lovely essay. and i liked the excerpts posted to start the thread.

H (Heruy), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 21:11 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm just about done with it, and I like it -- the comics fan aspect is only part of it, music comes in too, and it feels like it's probably heavily autobiographical with extra drama thrown in. That's not a bad thing, I'm just saying if anyone goes to the book hoping the comics aspect is as heavy as in Kavalier & Clay, they'll be disappointed.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Couldn't get past 150 pages in. And I usually like Letham.

Pete (Pete), Thursday, 14 October 2004 09:44 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.randomhouse.com/features/fortress/essay2.html
Another interesting essay by Lethem on the nature of comics: "Who's Afraid of Dr. Strange?"

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 14 October 2004 17:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Seriously, when is Lethem going to write a comic book? It seems like a natural.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 14 October 2004 17:32 (twenty-one years ago)

And yet, he titled his novel Fortress of Solitude rather than, uh, Avengers Mansion.
Even though the essay pretty much explains why.

Huk-L, Thursday, 14 October 2004 17:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, the title does seem kinda funny when he's hatin' on DC in the essay.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 14 October 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

And also, the whole idea of a Fortress of Solitude infers some sort of krypto-angst. It's at the North Pole, with Santa Claus, which only fosters the Jesus complex Supes has! (in catholic school, maybe around Grade 3, my teacher told the class that Santa Claus was really Jesus!)

Huk-L, Thursday, 14 October 2004 17:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Lethem likes writing about comic books so much that maybe he's just not interested in actually writing one. I'll bet he's been approached, though.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 14 October 2004 17:56 (twenty-one years ago)

In a way I hope he doesn't for fear of repeating the disappointment of reading the actual "Escapist" comic.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 14 October 2004 17:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I was soooo excited about the Escapist comic, but somehow I totally missed it, and, uh, it seems I'm much better off because of it.

Huk-L, Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

It's okay Huck, the one in your head is better.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I think the problem with an Escapist comic in some ways is that when it's just a comic, it doesn't have all the context that it has in the novel. It's like selling a book of Peter Parker's photos. Kind of.

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

(That wasn't purely the problem with this Escapist comic. I meant to say, I think any Escapist comic would be disappointing on some level.)

Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Lethem likes writing about comic books so much that maybe he's just not interested in actually writing one. I'll bet he's been approached, though.

But there's always room for another comic about comics!

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:24 (twenty-one years ago)

comics in not living up to hype scandal

Huk-L, Thursday, 14 October 2004 18:25 (twenty-one years ago)

And also, the whole idea of a Fortress of Solitude infers some sort of krypto-angst.

his alien dog is sad

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 14 October 2004 22:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I am reading this right now.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 25 October 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

It's a really good novel. It was my favorite of 2003.

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 November 2004 07:57 (twenty-one years ago)

(Btw, I think this is my second trip to ILC, and now I see what Tom and mark s have been up to this whole time!!)

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 November 2004 07:58 (twenty-one years ago)

three years pass...

i am stuck at about page 160 on this and finding it difficult to will myself to go on. it's good, though occasionally overwritten; but it's terrible commute reading and that's about the only time I get to read now. someone convince me to finish it

akm, Thursday, 8 May 2008 06:13 (seventeen years ago)

Finish it or this dog DIES:

http://www.contract-worker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/cute-dog-yawning1.jpg

David R., Thursday, 8 May 2008 06:21 (seventeen years ago)

Actually, I might need the same sort of foot in the ass -- tried twice to start it, but it's ended up buried on my nightstand through no fault of its own, and I haven't gotten past page 50.

David R., Thursday, 8 May 2008 06:24 (seventeen years ago)

I got about 100 pages in my second time, haven't gone back for a third and that was two years ago.

energy flash gordon, Thursday, 8 May 2008 07:09 (seventeen years ago)

it's weird because it's not a bad book, it's just more dense than i was expecting. it's not often I find a book with characters i like and care for but can't make myself read about.

i hate that dog

akm, Thursday, 8 May 2008 14:31 (seventeen years ago)

two weeks pass...

Okay well I persevered with this and it got a lot easier to read about 1/2 through

akm, Thursday, 22 May 2008 18:36 (seventeen years ago)

finished it. this was great, so much better than Motherless Brooklyn.

akm, Sunday, 25 May 2008 23:06 (seventeen years ago)


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