Bad Things Happen to Green Arrow's Sidekicks (SPOILERS)

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Is it 'the first major comic book to deal with the illness'? I can't think of another offhand, but I bet the writer's just assumed that.

Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:14 (twenty-one years ago)

perhaps the first major comic book to deal with the illness in an ongoing fashion.
There was a two-part story very early in Mike Grell's Green Arrow run about a gangster who got HIV in jail and was serial killing gay men as revenge.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:17 (twenty-one years ago)

What about Polaris? Not that I read it myself.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:20 (twenty-one years ago)

haha (er...) - before i clicked on this i guessed 'mia's got aids'.

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:22 (twenty-one years ago)

she's a fun character although i'll get creeped out sometimes cuz the artists/writers will go to pretty extravagant means to make her come off sexy and i'll think 'jesus christ she's fifteen you pervs' and then i'll remember that most of the readers (theoretically) are 13 yr old boys in whom eyes a 15 yr old girl would be quite boneworthy.

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't know who/what Polaris is.

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She also exposes one of the few limitations of the otherwise awesome Hester/Parks art style, I'm never totally sure if the blonde chewing out Ollie is Mia or Dinah (Black Canary).

Huk-L, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh wait, I don't mean Polaris, I mean NORTHSTAR!

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

From Alpha Flight?

Huk-L, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Sure! Okay, I don't actually know what happened with Northstar, but this is from everyone's favorite Ludic Log guide to the Marvel handbook:

"NORTHSTAR. Studying the history of Northstar is like taking a clinic on how to completely mishandle a gay character. In brief:

1. Decide you're going to have a major character in one of your books be gay. But don't come right out and say it; dance around the topic as much as is humanly possible.

2. Have other characters imply that he is (a) a weakling, (b) a sissy or (c) not really a part of the team, because he's "keeping secrets".

3. Give him a really hot sister for the fanboys to crack off to, so that they don't fly into a panic at being confronted with their own sublimated homosexuality and stop reading the comic en masse.

4. Make sure that he's got some other repellent personality traits so that we're forced to despise him right off the bat, like he's really arrogant, or French, or both.

5. As soon as is humanly possible, give him AIDS.

6. When you are inevitably criticized for giving him AIDS, go into a tailspin of damage control and come up with some ridiculously convoluted "explanation" for how he doesn't really have AIDS after all. Like, for example, you could say that it was part of a nefarious plot by Loki. That should stick!

7. Kill him anyway.

8. Years later, try and claim credit for having been brave enough to create one of the first gay characters in comics. Do this with all the pride of the utterly shameless."

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I scrolled down through the article and hit "Judd Winick" and my first thought was "Oh, this makes sense now."

Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

The only reason I'm not so excited about this is because it's going to take the spotlight off Ollie (even though he's been getting around lately: Flash, Id C, JL Elite, the upcoming Deadshot mini) even more than it already is.
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Huk-L, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Not that, y'know, I'd otherwise be stoked about a fictional character with HIV...I mean, I don't know.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

hawkman should get west nile virus

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Batman should get rabies.

Huk-L, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:01 (twenty-one years ago)

green lantern should get carpal tunnel

cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:03 (twenty-one years ago)

and we're giving nightwing the SARS in a multi-part crossover

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Daredevil should get glaucoma.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 20:39 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=4298

Huk-L, Thursday, 14 October 2004 17:21 (twenty-one years ago)

MORE DEADLY THAN THE ATOM BOMB

Vic Fluro, Thursday, 14 October 2004 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Update, another creator annoyed by this shameless rip-off of a similar plotline in his own book (again from CBR)

His father turned out to be an evil alien bent on conquering Earth. Now, Invincible's newest young pal, William, who's been part of the series since its launch, will have his own demon to battle - Athlete's Foot.
According to Creator Robert Kirkman, the revelation will come in December's Invincible #19, as William, who was a teenage high school student when Invincible befriended him, learns that his time spent in the gym locker room resulted in him getting the fungus.

""We've been hinting all along the way that he's interested in taking up the mantle, being a sidekick, getting out there in the streets and helping out," Kirkman told anyone who will listen. "Invincible won't be sharing socks with him any time soon."

The revelation, according to Kirkman makes William push Invincible even more to let him allow him to be his sidekick. "It's no big deal, it's curable with the right cream, but he can't fool around anymore. This isn't about an itchy foot condition. It is about life having focus," he told anyone who will listen.

William is coming to terms with it in the way most young people are. It isn't about throwing your shoes out and becoming a shut-in. Young people, for good or for bad, are still pretty fearless. With drug combination therapy people are dealing with the condition quite admirably," Kirkman told anyone who will listen. "He seems to be unafraid of Athlete's Foot, he's mostly feeling like no one is ever going to love him, but that's just because he's kind of an annoying guy."

Invincible 17 will be in stores soon. The ground-breaking Invincible #19 should be hitting the shelves in early December.

No MTV tie-ins are planned

Pete (Pete), Monday, 18 October 2004 15:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Didn't Peter David's Hulk run have a character who was HIV-postive? I remember at least one issue with Dale Keown art where a super-powered hitman had been hired by a Mafia-type to kill his son's gay lover, who he blames for exposing him to the disease. Or something. It had a really preachy, solemn cover. And a moment where Bruce revealed he was immune to the virus because of his invulnerability.

David N (David N.), Monday, 18 October 2004 23:33 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...
The actual "I have AIDS" comic (Teen Titans #23) does go to some considerable lengths to avoid the word AIDS.

Also the voice acting on Raven in the animated series is perfect, and her character in the comics would probably annoy me much more if I couldn't hear the voice in my head.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 21 October 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

Even a tiny bit of research (like reading the link) would have made it clear to me that the acutal comic is Green Arrow, and it does mention H.I.V. I am a fule.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 21 October 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

Where's the love for Northstar's cough?

Vic Fluro (Vic Fluro), Friday, 21 October 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/115792341739561.htm

AND THAT'S WHY MELTZER IS A GREAT WRITER!!!!!!!!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

ATR guy = easily impressed

Vic F (Vic Fluro), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 12:55 (nineteen years ago)

WTF, ATR dude

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

Unfortunately I think the ATR dude is COMPLETELY TYPICAL of yr average comics nerd's critical mentality.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Reading this week's LITG, it's almost like Richie JJ is responding to this assertion.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

if I ran that site I would have sacked that dude 30.2 seconds after he turned in that copy

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kit editor (kit brash), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, basic sorta ham-fisted foreshadowing does not equal great writing! I mean, this is barely competent writing to be brutally frank.

Matthew Perpetua! (Matthew Perpetua!), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

And that why Meltzer is great writer (and even greater mystery writer); he know how to lay down seeds for future storylines.

c('°c) (Leee), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

FORESHADOWING: I probably won't buy JLA #2.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Awwwww.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

ATR dude is doing what ATR dudes do. It's Meltzer's post that's really creepy.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Tuesday, 12 September 2006 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

Seriously? You put your kid on the potty at 11? When do you put her to bed? WTF is wrong with you people?
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_loixoobsKn1qmavteo1_500.png

like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Thursday, 28 July 2011 15:51 (fourteen years ago)

I think he means age 11

not bulimic, just a cat (James Morrison), Friday, 29 July 2011 01:14 (fourteen years ago)

Potty-training arrow

like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Friday, 29 July 2011 18:52 (fourteen years ago)

Seriously? You put your kid on the potty at 11? When do you put her to bed? WTF is wrong with you people?

if you have a toddler that you're trying to wean off sleeping in diapers I can see how you might wake them up to put them on the potty so they don't pee the bed in their sleep...? maybe?

Richard Nixon's Field of Warmth (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 29 July 2011 20:07 (fourteen years ago)

We're daytime potty-training right now, and I can kinda see the logic in that. BUT, getting her to actually stay in bed at bedtime is enough of an ordeal, I'm not waking her up unless the house is on fire.

like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Friday, 29 July 2011 22:11 (fourteen years ago)

also "dealing with Mia's HIV" = mention it twice more over six years then erase the entire DCU continuity so that you never have to worry about it again.

like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Friday, 29 July 2011 22:15 (fourteen years ago)

still listening to Supergods audiobook, GM just called GL/GA "the Simon & Garfunkel of crimefighting"

like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 6 August 2011 15:27 (fourteen years ago)

Done up by my friend Gabe: http://thesidekickcomplex.tumblr.com/post/6907454878/speedy-at-the-factory-by-gabriel-hardman

ILM/ILC crossover action like you like it!

Matt M., Monday, 8 August 2011 17:17 (fourteen years ago)


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