The ILC All Time Greatest Comics NOMINATIONS THREAD (Deadline: 31st October)

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This is the nominations thread for the ILC All-Time Greatest Comics Poll (from the house of second-hand ideas).

The methodology is very similar to that of the ILM 1990s poll, run by the mighty Stevem.

You nominate up to 4 comics. I compile a list of all the nominations. You then vote on the nominations. The number of votes you get, the scoring system, and the number of comics in the final poll will depend entirely on the number of nominations we get.

What do you mean by 'comics'?

Whatever you want me to mean. A single story - a collection - a storyline or run on an ongoing series - a newspaper strip - an anthology title or story in one - a series in its entirety - you decide, Effendi!

Don't nominate the exact same thing someone else has nominated - an issue or story within an already-nominated run is fine though. You will be allowed a short grace period for nomination changes after the original nominations close but don't clog up the thread with them in case I don't notice.

CHECK HERE FOR THE NOMINEES TO DATE!

The only other thing I would ask is that if you're nominating a storyline or run on a serially published comic you specify issue numbers if possible, and that you tell me the writer and artist(s) if you know them/her/him/it.

Deadline for this is October 31st 2004 (or more realistically, when I get up on November 1st).

NOW...LET SCIENCE DECIDE!

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks, Tom. Here are my fairly tame nominations:

Watchmen (Moore/Gibbons)

Tintin (Herge)

Cerebus: Jaka's Story (Sim/Gerhard)

Fantastic Four: Lee/Kirby run (Lee/Kirby)

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

My nominations:

ABC Warriors - first series (known as "The Meknificent Seven" in later collections) (Mills / McMahon, O'Neill)

Hate (Peter Bagge)

JLA - 90s series #1-#41 aka Grant Morrison run (Morrison/Porter)

Beatniks A Go-Go (Al Ewing)

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

We love polls!

― Λεεετερ φαν δεν, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Was there a rule in the ILM one that you couldn't duplicate someone else's nominations?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Top 10 - Alan Moore

New X-Men #114 - 154 (I think) - Grant Morrison

Hellblazer: Dangerous Habits (#41-46) - Garth Ennis

Powers - Brian Michael Bendis & Michael Avon Oeming

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes, I'll amend the post accordingly.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I had Queen & Country in there instead of Hellblazer at first, and then I realized I've had the latest Q&C trade lying around for a few weeks without having read it yet. That Hellblazer arc hit me a lot harder than anything in Q&C (as great as I think it is).

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Doom Patrol - Morrison/Case run

Judge Dredd - Wagner/Ron Smith run (includes classic 'Graveyard Shift', 'Invisible Man' and 'Exo-Men' stories - Smith being the one artist who brought out the essential english-sitcom-ness of Dredd)

Swamp Thing - Alan Moore run

The Destructivore - Myself/Ed Traquino (out on Saturday - not seen it yet but I have a feeling that these three pages will be my finest work)

― Vic Fluro, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Two questions, Vic:

The Destructivore - Myself/Ed Traquino (out on Saturday - not seen it yet but I have a feeling that these three pages will be my finest work)

Is this 2000AD material?

And any idea if that Judge Dredd run is collected in the States? I've seen some hardcovers around, but I've had no idea what to get.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Love and Rockets (Los Bros H.)
2. Dan Dare: Rogue Planet (artist Frank Bellamy)
3. Beryl the Peril as drawn by David Law
4. "The Man Who Could Not Die" (scary horror strip in Look and Learn ©1970) (artist and writer completely unknown) (googling brings up me talkin abt it radio free narnia)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Safe Area Gorazde - Sacco
Tales of the Beanworld - Marder (sorry, Tom)
Yummy Fur - Chester Brown
Naughty Bits - Gregory

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:34 (twenty-one years ago)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

1. Hard Boiled (Miller/Darrow)
2. Krazy Kat (Geo. Herriman)
3. A1 (edited by Leach & Elliott)
4. From Hell (Moore/Campbell)

Tom, I tried to email you twice this morning and the mails bounced back. I have 8 CD-R's full of scans of comics for you if you're interested. Would you drop me a line?

― William Crump (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

1) Amazing Spider-Man #1-50 (Stan Lee / Steve Ditko / John Romita Jr.)
2) Fantastic Four #232-#260 (John F@$#in' Byrne)
3) Julius Knipl, Real Estate Photographer (Ben Katchor) (see!)
4) Planetary (Warren Ellis / John Cassaday)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Hiya William - I'm not reachable at the hotmail address anymore, only the gmail one, I will email!

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

1: Calvin and Hobbes (Watterson)

2: The Dark Knight Returns (Miller)

3: Sandman: The Doll's House (Gaiman)

4: Howard the Duck (Gerber)

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, Julius Knipl — XLNT.

Howard the Duck — Double XLNT.

― William Crump (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

(I'm curious if there would be more/less/different consensus in a "currently ongoing or released in the last year" poll, mostly because I predict there would be, but that's a topic for later if ever.)

(How much is the relative unavailability of British comics in the US [and Canada, I assume?] going to be a factor here? Will the UKers find enough consensus among themselves, or will the wins go to the common denominators? TUNE IN NEXT MONTH)

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(If this works then OF COURSE a best of 2004 poll will be forthcoming)

(I almost nominated a 2004 comic but nepotism won out)

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Sigh. The comics I read/like aren't, y'know, "great", nor are they supposed to be. They're supposed to be fun. Which they are. But I find myself uncomfortable calling them great. So I might not nominate any. I'll think more on it, though.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

We can use another word if you like. "Favourite" maybe? Or just "All Time Comics Poll".

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

No, no! I'm just, ah, having a hard time really mustering up the resolve to champion my stuff.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Destructivore will be out in Issue 4 of Solar Wind, dedicated to Action-style Aggro and Bovver. Dredd's bound to be collected in TPB form through DC soon, but I've a feeling the current administration sees this kind of classic stuff as a bit old hat for some reason. Try asking the 2KAD message board where you can find classic Ron Smith Dredd - they'll know better than I do.

― Vic Fluro, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

Huk has DC guilt!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:01 (twenty-one years ago)

I just realized I didn't nominate Brat Pack. I have a Brat Pack tattoo, for Christ's sake!

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:03 (twenty-one years ago)

Sleeper - Brubaker [Best Series, On-going]

Sandman: Endless Nights - Gaiman, et al [Best Short Stories]

Get Your War On - Rees [Best Strip]

Nausicaa of the Valley of Wind (vol.1-4) - Miyazaki [Best Graphic Novel... EVER!!!]

― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:04 (twenty-one years ago)

* 1963 - the Image seriesm various artists, I think
* James Kochalka - Sketchbook Diaries
* Urusei Yatsura - Perfect Collection - Rumiko Takahashi
* Joe Matt - The Poor Bastard

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

"Thimble Theatre" 1930-38 - E.C. Segar

Blankets - Craig Thompson

La Mouche - Lewis Trondheim

Strange Taqles #151-167/ Nick Fury, Agent of Shield (original series) #1-7 (basically, Jim Steranko's complete run of Nick Fury stories)

― ng, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 17:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"Nemesis The Warlock" by Pat Mills, Kevin O'Neill, Jesus Redondo, & Bryan Talbot, up to and including "The Gothic Empire" but no further. This appeared in 2000AD.

"Zenith" by Grant Morrison & Steve Yeowell. This also appeared in 2000AD.

"Charley's War" by Pat Mills & John Colquohon (sp?). This appeared in Battle, and is now being reprinted in the Megazine in a pathetic attempt to make me buy it.

"100 Bullets" by Brian Azzarello & Eduardo Risso, an ongoing monthly title.

and of course, all the really good stuff I will think of after posting this.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:41 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm glad someone nominated Nemesis. Will someone nominate The Apocalypse War please? I've got voter's remorse.

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 18:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Everybody's all, "oooh oooh, gotta post my noms the first day!" meanwhile, old Tortoise H. Uck is gonna WOW all y'all pants off when I finally post my noms on the closing date. Suckas.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem's gonna be what happens when folks new to ILC miss the bit about not repeating nominations & go WATCHMEN / DARK KNIGHT RETURNS / MAUS / U.S. 1 all the live long day.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

That reminds me, change all my nominations to Ghost Rider, the one who wasn't Johnny Blaze or a cowboy.

I figured, if I post the first day, I'm posting my "gut instinct" noms, which are probably the ones two weeks of hemming and hawing ought to result in anyway.

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

(Don't really change my nominations, pls)

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

OTM on the gut instinct thing.

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never read Watchmen or Maus, what's U.S. 1?

God, I'm the say with comics as I am with music.

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

U.S.1 is a comic about a superpowered trucker. It was about 1/1000000th as good as it should have been based on that summary.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I though you were talking about the Vertigo revamp of Uncle Sam for a minute!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 20:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks to those who have nominated Krazy Kat, Popeye, the Kirby FF, the Ditko Spidey and Howard the Duck in particular. I'll think about mine - there are too many I want in there - Barks' Scrooge, Lone Wolf & Cub, Tezuka's Phoenix, Kirby's 4th World, Kurtzman's Jungle Book, Corto Maltese all leap to mind without much thought. Someone lure the Pinefox on here! He might well nominate something I edited!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 19 October 2004 21:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, thanks to DV for thoughtfully picking up all the slack there. Don't know how I missed Nemesis, Zenith and especially CHARLEY'S WAR!! That's the UK DKR!

― Vic Fluro, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 22:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Will Eisner - The Spirit
Steve Ditko - Dr. Strange
Walt Kelly - Pogo
Jack Cole - Plasticman

― Not That Chuck, Tuesday, 19 October 2004 22:48 (twenty-one years ago)

DC: The New Frontier - Darwyn Cooke
Hellboy: The Chained Coffin and Others - Mike Mignola
Elektra: Assassin - Frank Miller and Bill Sienkiewicz
Frank - Jim Woodring

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Batman: Year One - Frank Miller and David Mazzucelli
Justice League of America - Grant Morrison, et al.
The Fourth World - Jack Kirby
Cages - Dave McKean

― Definitely not one of Matt Maxwell's sockpuppets. Nuh-uh. No way. (Matt M.), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Alec by Eddie Campbell in all its myriad forms
MAD by Harvey Kurtzman with Will Elder, Wally Wood, Jack Davis & occasional alias
JLA/E/I/O/U by Keith Giffen & J.M. DeMatteis & sundry alias

...erm, and I'll hold one nomination in reserve. No thanks to people for already nominating Thimble Theatre and Hate to make this harder!

― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 00:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Schizo - Ivan Brunetti
Jimmy Corrigian - Chris Ware
Viz - Chris Donald and others
Asterix - Goscinny & Uderzo

― Chriddof (Chriddof), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 03:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooooh, Alec is a VERY GOOD CALL!!!!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 03:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Nothing like a poll to bring out more posters!

Queen & Country - Rucka, assorted artists
Goodbye, Chunky Rice - Craig Thompson
Sin City (first volume) - Frank Miller
Bone - Jeff Smith

Also, I'm totally loving Matt and Sockpuppet's picks (my picks contingent on Sockpuppet's validity).

VG (or Tep), if you change your Sandman nom to Dream Hunters, I'll actually be voting for a Gaiman book.

― Λεεετερ φαν δεν, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 04:36 (twenty-one years ago)

My Four

From Hell.
stuck rubber baby
tintin in the congo
fritz the cat

― anthony, Wednesday, 20 October 2004 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

From Hell's already taken. As is JLA, which adds more concern to the already troubled sockpuppet entry.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 06:58 (twenty-one years ago)

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There's at least one very surprising and striking omission. (Apart from 2000AD Prog 93 that is).

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:41 (twenty-one years ago)

unless i'm mistaken, no new gods/fourth world!

also no cathy.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes and yes, but that's not what I was thinking of (and Kirby does get a look-in on the list).

Still, 10 days to go, bring your friends etc etc.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 12:53 (twenty-one years ago)

No Bad Company?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 21 October 2004 13:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Tom's talking about DP7.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 21 October 2004 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Would I be right in thinking that the omission has been mentioned but not nominated?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 21 October 2004 13:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Maus?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 21 October 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

We have a winnah! I think.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 21 October 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I can change noms, but thought it'd be confusing to people if it weren't explicitly announced. Also, I didn't see the thing about 1 Nov.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:27 (twenty-one years ago)

a pedant writes - the Trigan Empire is by Don Lawrence & Mike Butterworth. Also, Groo is I think by Sergio Aragones and Mark Evanier.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Terry And The Pirates bu=y Milt Canniff, ore specifically the 1941 story in which Raven Sherman was killed

Dan Dare by Frank Hampson and Co, especially the Man From Nowhere/Rogue Planet two-parter

DC: The New Frontier by Darwyn Cooke

Plus dozens more, so I'll post this now before I change my mind.

― David Simpson (David Simpson), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Sigh, or before I proof read it.

― David Simpson (David Simpson), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:53 (twenty-one years ago)

New Frontier already nominated David - also Rogue Planet is (though not Dan Dare in toto).

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 21 October 2004 14:57 (twenty-one years ago)

USE OTHER FRANKS PLZ: david s. is right i think btw abt "rogue planet" being hampson not bellamy - i always get em mixed up (i read RP when it was being RErun in the mid-60s after bellamy had replaced hampson and wz all over eagle and everywhere doing eg thunderbirds)

― mark s (mark s), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Action
Bunty
If...
Maus

― Joe Kay (feethurt), Thursday, 21 October 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

DV - yes, you're right about Trigan, but I thought I was already being obscure enough...

Plus it's the art that makes it special, isn't it?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 21 October 2004 19:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Joe must win for shortest nominations! As well as things I mentioned earlier, some of which have been nominated since, it occurs to me that I would like to see Polly & Her Pals, Li'l Abner, Andy Capp, Don Martin in Mad, the Infantino Flash, the Kanigher/Kubert Sgt Rock and something by Toth on here - maybe 'White Devil, Yellow Devil', a classic short war story, or his stuff with Kurtzman at EC. Actually, Kurtzman's EC war books in general. Have we had any Crumb yet?

Why not mention it on ILE? Anyone interested enough to come here and think about their nominations deserves a vote. I want the Pinefox here, as I said earlier - I don't want to nominate anything I was involved in, but I think he might.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't specifically object to mentioning it on ILE, but it really isn't an ILC poll at that point, and frankly I doubt I'd vote in it. I'm not interested in the consensus of Ilx at large, and thought half the point was the relative small sample size of ILC.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:54 (twenty-one years ago)

(After all, why not also mention it on blogs, mailing lists, whatever ... at that point, so what? It's just a collection of votes. I could ask random people on the street what they thought, and it would be as relevant.)

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

(Okay, I DO specifically object. But it's Tom's poll.)

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 21 October 2004 21:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I agree I think. We have enough nominations anyway. The brave few who click on ILC are enough :)

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 October 2004 04:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Im going to stick mainly to Manga, as most of my fave western comix have been covered already here

Lone Wolf and Cub: (full run) (Kazuo Koike + Goseki Kojima)

Galaxy Express 999: (full run) (Leiji Matsumoto)

Buddha: (full run) (Osama Tezuka)

Phoenix: (full run) (Osama Tezuka)

Black Jack Vol 1 -3 (Osama Tezuka)

The Collection Vol 1 +2 (Hideshi Hino)

Panorama of Hell/Hell Baby (Hideshi Hino)

'Aruto Hito' ('The Man Who Walks') : (Jiro Taniguchi)

Battle Angel Alita: (original run minus the epilogue and 'last orders')(Yukito Kishiro)

I second the nomination for :

2001 nights: (full run) Yukinobu Hoshino

And id also like to throw in:

Zenith (Books 1 -4, 2000AD) (Steve Yeowell and Grant Morisson)

Metalzoic: (full run, 2000AD) (Mills and O'Neill)

Cerebus: Church and State...

BTW.. Akria was written and drawn by Katshurito Otomo.. I dont know who this 'otsumo' guy is.. ;)

― droid, Friday, 22 October 2004 10:22 (twenty-one years ago)

You only get four nominations! (Please keep in LW&C and Phonenix!)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:19 (twenty-one years ago)

And Church & State!

― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 22 October 2004 11:37 (twenty-one years ago)

Updated list of nominees

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I would have just voted for Cerebus as a whole rather than splitting it up - it is a coherent single storyline, unlike some of the things Tom was hinting at when he was talking about nominating runs.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:50 (twenty-one years ago)

The problem with that is that only the true hardcore Cerebus fans liked the whole thing, yer average comics punter on the other hand is more likely to think Jaka's Story and Church And State were triffic. C & S rather less so with the foreknowledge that nothing in it is remotely going to be resolved in any conventional sense.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd have thought that was preferable to being resolved like Jaka's actual story was.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:58 (twenty-one years ago)

How was it? Or do I not want to know.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

But I get your point, there was at least some resolution in Jaka's Story, if we'd never heard from her again that would have been fine.

xpost, you probably don't. The clue is that she's a woman.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 22 October 2004 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah yes. Bad luck Jaka.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 22 October 2004 13:07 (twenty-one years ago)

I take your point - but putting aside some of the more... offensive... Sim traits aside, and these are mainly confimed to the text portions (Reads included), I don't think any of the books are particularly weak. Except perhaps Reads and Latter Days, because you end up with no real desire to read the text portions over again.

I actually think Jaka's Story is one of the weaker books - but then Guys is my favourite, and most people hate that one.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 22 October 2004 13:22 (twenty-one years ago)

"You only get four nominations! (Please keep in LW&C and Phonenix!) '

Doh! thanks Martin.. i guess ive been suffering from a distinct lack of 'greatest ever comic polls' .. once I started - i just couldnt stop myself!

heres an edited list:

Lone Wolf and Cub: (full run) (Kazuo Koike + Goseki Kojima)

Galaxy Express 999: (full run) (Leiji Matsumoto)

Phoenix: (full run) (Osama Tezuka)

and since Cerebus is in there already:

Battle Angel Alita: (original run minus the epilogue and 'last orders')(Yukito Kishiro)

.. that was... really.... hard.. ......ill just have to go home and console the books that didnt make the cut by reading them (lovingly) yet again!!

― droid, Friday, 22 October 2004 13:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I nominated Jaka's story because, for me, it's (at least technically) perfect, whereas Cerebus in its entirity has a number of glaring flaws, which I'm sure I don't need to point out.

― Wooden (Wooden), Friday, 22 October 2004 13:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks Droid!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

For anyone who wants to see lots of good suggestions: So what are the best comics made in any language anywhere?.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 22 October 2004 21:44 (twenty-one years ago)

(my suggestions are obviously the right ones)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 22 October 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

You were involved with Bacchus! Wicked!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 22 October 2004 23:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I have just looked at the list, on FT, that Tom E linked to. I will try to nominate nothing that has been on that list.

My favourite comic of all time is WATCHMEN, but that is already on the list, so I am not nominating it.

My other favourite comic of all time is ST SWITHIN'S DAY written by Grant Morrison c.1989 or so. So that is my first nomination.

My second nomination is LUCKY LUKE, a French comic about a cowboy.

And I think that the BLUEBERRY books, another French comic about a cowboy, also deserve to be on the list; they were important to me as a child.

That leaves my fourth nomination. I am not sure whether to go for BILLY THE CAT, DR & QUINCH, HAP HAZZARD...

no, I know: the comic version of THE HOBBIT that was released in, I think, the late 1980s. That is a lovely book.

Those are my 4 nominations:

ST SWITHIN'S DAY

LUCKY LUKE

BLUEBERRY

THE HOBBIT

― the pinefox, Saturday, 23 October 2004 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Hurrah for the Pinefox! I hoped you'd nominate a comic I edited! (St Swithin's Day, for those who don't know.)

Yeah, a number of Bacchus stories were originally published in a comic edited by me. My editorial input was small - Eddie obviously didn't need my help, and I only offered anything when he asked for advice, which he only did on a few occasions.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 23 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

My final nomination - GENTLEMAN JIM by Raymond Briggs.

― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 28 October 2004 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The Diary Of A Teenage Girl - Phoebe Gloeckner

Art School Confidential - Daniel Clowes

Summer Blonde (Optic Nerve vols. #5-8) - Adrian Tomine

Elfquest - Wendy and Richard Pini

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 29 October 2004 14:38 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm slightly annoyed that I have to spend my vote on obvious classics:

1. Bad Company - Milligan, Ewins, McCarthy
2. The Invisibles - Grant Morrison, Steve Yeowell, Phil Jiminez et al
3. A Life Force - Will Eisner
4. V For Vendetta - Alan Moore

instead of the other stuff on my shortlist (Proud Americans, Barry Ween, Ann Nocenti's Kid Eternity, Mark Millar's Swamp Thing, Sam & Max, Xombi). Not that I think that any of those are better than the four, but I liked the idea of them being on the list. Nor am I posting them to be more eclectic than thou, just hoping that someone will go "Xombi! Fuck yeah!" and nominate it.

We need a nominations nominations thread.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

V For Vendetta - Alan Moore, David Lloyd

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 29 October 2004 16:39 (twenty-one years ago)

LAST DAY OF NOMINATIONS!!!!!!!!!

Sorry for not updating the noms list on FT - work access to ILX has been blocked so I'll have to run things from home, will sort out the list today for any changes to be made tomorrow or Tuesday and then, on Wednesday - THE VOTING BEGINS.

― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 31 October 2004 11:05 (twenty-one years ago)

Better make my nominations then:
Fourth World (New Gods, Forever People, Mr Miracle, Jimmy Olsen) by Jack Kirby with Mark Evanier
The Jungle Book by Harvey Kurtzman (was very tempted to add his EC war comics too)
The Bash Street Kids by Leo Baxendale
The Defenders run by Steve Gerber, art mostly by Sal Buscema

Other close things: some Toth stories like ‘The Case of the Curious Classic’ and ‘White Devil, Yellow Devil’, Li’l Abner by Al Capp, Polly And Her Pals by Cliff Sterrett, strips in Mad by Don Martin, Astro Boy by Osamu Tezuka, Omega the Unknown by Steve Gerber & Jim Mooney, and Sgt Rock by Bob Kanigher & Joe Kubert.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 31 October 2004 13:54 (twenty-one years ago)

NOMINATIONS CLOSED

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 1 November 2004 09:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Full list to appear on new thread.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 1 November 2004 09:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Is Darger's Vivian Girls really a comic book? I mean, even if we agree that it meets McCloud's definition of "juxtaposed pictorial and other images in a deliberate sequence, intended to convey information and/or produce an aesthetic response in the viewer," doesn't this open it up to ANY novels with accompanying illustrations? (The only difference is that Darger is usually vaunted more for his art than for his writing.)

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 November 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Which means that it will be replaced by Jeffrey Brown's Clumsy, or Ariel Schrag's Potential, ok thx bye

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 1 November 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

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