This is the thread where Huck tries to not wet his pants (GL: Rebirth)

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― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

OMFG!!!

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Kyle Rayner is Abin Sur!!! Just like Barry Allen is the lightning bolt!!!

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 14:41 (twenty-one years ago)

They've also got nifty previews of the new Flash and Question!

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 26 October 2004 15:11 (twenty-one years ago)

6 more hours!!!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:24 (twenty-one years ago)

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na...Green Lantern!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 14:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Green Lantern: Rebirth

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 15:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I have confirmed arrival of this at my comic shop, for which I will depart in 5 minutes. Googly-googly, ha ha ha. I just peed myself.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I am right behind you, except in my country.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 20:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I have read it. It is good. Better than Emerald Dawn, anyway

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 27 October 2004 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

So I rushed over to the shop after work AND THERE WAS NO GL: Rebirth on the shelf!!! I felt my world falling apart, and suddenly I understand how Hal Jordan felt when Coast City was destroyed. But before I could start to unravel the fabric of time, I muster up some goddamn dignity and took my Flash and Outsiders to the counter and fake casually said "Uh, you wouldn't have any Green Lanterns that you forgot to put on the shelf would you?"
AND THEY DID!!!
They had set on aside for me!!! Zero Hour 2: A Crisis in Huck was averted!!!
It's r????y good. I wasn't expecting any of the stuff in there.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:05 (twenty-one years ago)

All right, I'm gonna pick this up on the off chance they have any left when I make it there -- if they don't, I'll put it on the pull list. (I know what I said about event series, but your enthusiasm has worn off on me, what can I say?)

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:15 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm a giant GL nerd.
But I think that it's actually good, not just in the way that I was bound to love it unless it was really terrible (and I'm not wild about the art--I don't dislike it, but it just doesn't have much style, it's standard, capably-drawn superhero art), but it's, uh, so much more than Identity Crisis, absolutely jam-packed with plot.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I was a huge Green Lantern fan for a long time (I was organizing a Green Lantern FAQ at one point in the 90s!), so the nerdishness doesn't bother me. I'm not even sure why I haven't been reading it, exactly -- I dropped it at some point a couple years after Kyle was introduced, probably for money reasons, and just never picked it back up. Never had any interest in Hal as the Spectre, but I mean ... it was the Spectre.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 28 October 2004 00:45 (twenty-one years ago)

It was REALLY good! Ethan Van Sciver! ETHAN VAN SCIVER!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 28 October 2004 03:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It wasn't until I read it a second time that I realized that pretty much the last ten years of GL events are recapped very craftily within its pages.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)

I was about to say something, but maybe I'll take it to the Spoileriffic Thread (sorry for starting so many threads about this).

― Huk-L, Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ETHAN VAN SCIVER!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:34 (twenty-one years ago)

What's so great about him?

― Huk-L, Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:50 (twenty-one years ago)

I was just really impressed w/ the art, s'all.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not being flippant or sassy here, either, I mean it. Tell me what you like about him that I may gaze upon his work with a better understanding.

xpost, okay.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I am clearly a sucker for Perez-esque uber-detail.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 28 October 2004 13:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I read it in the store and thought it was great -- I'm actually pissed with myself for not buying it first and taking it home to read -- that usually never happens.

― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

You schmuck! Now DC will see that not EVERYBODY in the WHOLE WORLD bought this comic and they'll realize that Hal Jordan could never support his own title for more than 3 years at a time and they'll bring Kyle back, since he held his own for 10 years!

― Huk-L, Thursday, 28 October 2004 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Geoff Johns addresses Tep's concerns:

For everyone picking up Green Lantern, thank you. I'm extremely proud of the work Peter, Dan, Ethan, Moose and I have put into this mini-series and beyond psyched that issue #1 is finally hitting the shelves!! You will be stunned by the artwork and coloring. This isn't a "get him back and move on to the monthly" thing, this is a Green Lantern epic. A real story unto itself. We put everything we've got into this book, hope you enjoy it for the next six months.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 28 October 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, maybe he was reading my posts!

(He emailed me once to bitch me out about Usenet posts I made about Days of Judgment.)

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 28 October 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how it sorta seems like people might think he's going to go all Judy Blume and give Hal Jordan his first period. BUT NOT BEFORE WE TELL THE EPIC STORY!

― Huk-L, Thursday, 28 October 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

he's going to go all Judy Blume and give Hal Jordan his first period

!!!

(The phrase just had to be repeated.)

I look forward to Tales of a Fourth World Nothing, though.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 28 October 2004 19:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I went to buy it last night and it was sold out! And Astonishing X-Men number 4 was already going for $10!!! That's what I get for taking a 2 month break from comics.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

That's nonsense. Where abouts are you located? You could probably buy AXM #4 (& most recent back issues) from a place like Midtown Comics for cover price + shipping.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I had to convince my local comic shop to grab me an issue from someone's file! (maybe my own, I'm not sure, but I think they started a file for me)
"You don't understand, I AM HAL JORDAN and I MUST HAVE THIS COMIC!"

― Huk-L, Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Second printing to arrive around the same time as #2 though.
I think they did a short press run on this to inflate the demand v. supply thing, btw.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I am in the Bay Area, David. We are blessed with fine comic stores, I will try some others.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

From http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/rage/index1.htm

In Brightest Day
Following the release of his Vertigo graphic novel, The Originals, Dave Gibbons is said to be working on a Green Lantern project for a 2005 release date. This project may be timed to coincide with the Green Lantern relaunch by Geoff Johns and Carlos Pacheco.
This Has A “Mosaic” Factor of Nine Out of Ten

― Huk-L, Monday, 8 November 2004 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

That's nonsense. Where abouts are you located? You could probably buy AXM #4 (& most recent back issues) from a place like Midtown Comics for cover price + shipping.

It is $21 at Midtown!!!

Someone HELP!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

Mile High has it on sale for $7.50, which is still too much, but at least a little better. I had no idea this kind of price-hiking/collectibalization shit was still going on!

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:12 (twenty-one years ago)

The second run should arrive the same week as #2. The big thing with this is that I think the first run was deliberately low, AND the fucking fuck faces of the world were buying multiple copies. Those assholes.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Should I be bagging and boarding all of my AXMs instead of throwing them under the bed???? Should I buy X-Force #1?

Sorry to derail the thread, I can't find Rebirth anywhere!!

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Dude, if you buy X-Force #1, I will hunt you down and make you buy all my Earth X comix at 5 times the cover price.

My local store guy said copies of Wolverine: The End #1 are going for $15. Who the hell is dopey enough to pay that much for a crappy What If? story?

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:29 (twenty-one years ago)

(Sez the guy that paid $20 combined for Rai #0 & Unity #0.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't feel bad about Bit Torrent anymore. Adam, do you have it?

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

yes.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I could've sworn I'd seen a torrent for the first four issues, but it's not on suprnova ... damn that Whedon!

― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.demonoid.com/torrents/details/33723/

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 00:17 (twenty-one years ago)

So I found Rebirth (signed!) in SF yesterday. I read it on the train home but I didn't make any sense at all. I was a bit drunk though. I'll try again today.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Thursday, 11 November 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah!

Still don't get it, sorry.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 12 November 2004 03:29 (twenty-one years ago)

There's a lot of background, especially from the last ten years, to Hal Jordan's story, if that's the obstacle (it's hard for me to gauge what the story looks like without that background, you know?) -- not to volunteer him or anything, but I'd bet Huck could sum up the salient points and/or clear things up.

(Others could, too, but Huck is definitely the resident GL guy.)

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 12 November 2004 03:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Okay, this is where I choked on my (still-uncompleted) New Frontier review. The sheer consarnededness of the Hal Jordan story is what separates the GL fans from the men. Er, the boys from the GL Fans? (there's a reason GL fans are looked down upon by even the most slavish Groo-sketeer)
Okay, so is Hal Jordan the world's most boring super-hero, the most chronicly cancellable character outside of Aquaman (who at least has the benefit of being the only Aquaman ever), the most frequently propped-up, replaced and retooled superhero, or is he the only guy man enough to fight intergalactic crime while wearing white gloves? These are the questions, dear Adam, that have not only kept the internet abuzz with demands for Hal Jordan's return and redemption since 1994, but also has kept 15 or 16 gigantic nerds from moving on with their lives.
Okay, so after being one of the most successful of DC's Silver Age revamps (just behind the Flash, and slightly ahead of Hawkman) of the late 1950s/early 60s, by 1970 Green Lantern saw his sales dropping like a big yellow banana from a banana tree. Rather than merely cancel his series and relegate him to the back pages of some more popular character's book, like say, Jimmy Olson, the DC eggheads decided to pair GL up with Green Arrow, a character who'd been around continuously since 1941, avoiding the limbo that befell his Justice Society contemporaries by the bizarre stroke of luck of having never starred in his own title. Little more than a Batman clone, Green Arrow had mostly been a back-up feature in books like Adventure (starring Superboy and the Legion of Super-Heroes), More Fun, and World's Finest (where Superman and Batman teamed up regularly). One of the first non-founding members of the Justice League of America, GA became one that groups most popular players, particularly after he got a hip new look courtesy Neal Adams.
So, since Green Arrow was available, and wearing matching duds, he teamed up with Green Lantern for a run that lasted just under two years before being cancelled. Green Lantern (sometimes with Green Arrow, sometimes ALONE) got the last 8 pages of the Flash. Four years later, Green Lantern/Green Arrow resumed publication. Denny O'Neil was still writing, but Neal Adams had moved on to Marvel, leaving an opening for newcomer Mike Grell (who would later figure into Green Arrow's Frank-Millerization in 1987). From issue #90 through #122, the two Greens battled such long-lasting and memorable foes as Ponce De Leon, the Crumbler, and Dr. Ojo.
With #123, Green Lantern returned to "solo star-spanning action!" But after about 4 years, Hal Jordan was given the bum's rush to make way for a hipper, younger, blacker Green Lantern. Mr. John Stewart, a straight-talking architect from Detroit, held the title from #182 to #200 (about two years), at which point, Hal Jordan was reinstated into the Corps after the woman he had quit for tried to kill him (as she repeatedly had throughout their 30-year courtship). But Hal Jordan was still deemed too lame to have his own comic, so in addition to John Stewart, five other Green Lanterns (including a squirrel) starred in Green Lantern Corps, which ran from #201 to #224. That's right, two years.
During the tumultuous final issues, the Green Lantern Corps was decimated, leaving only a handful of power rings where there had once been thousands. One those who held onto his ring was Hal Jordan, who spent the next year sucking it up big time in some extreme lame and difficult to follow 8-page stories in the short-lived Action Comics Weekly anthology title. Then Hal got a revamp. In Emerald Dawn, Hal Jordan's early days were retooled, revealing that he had a DUI and that Kilowog, introduced in GLC #201 and a character of some mystery throughout that run, had always been known to Jordan, and in fact had trained him, thus shitting all over a couple of really cool plot lines.
The wild success (and sheer mediocrity) of Emerald Dawn prompted DC to relaunch Green Lantern. The first year or so featured alternating features between Hal Jordan, John Stewart and popular Justice League GL, Guy Gardner. Then Stewart and Gardner each got their own series, Jordan got the unnecessary Emerald Dawn II and domain over the GL series.

wait a minute---before I go any further, are there any specific questions you'd like answered, Adam?

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 05:52 (twenty-one years ago)

I stopped reading comics during the period when Hal turned EVILLL and then turned into Spectre. What's that all about. Also who is the baddy with the big head in prison who is going "And now it begins, bwa ha ha" or whatever.

― Mark C (Markco), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I stopped reading comics just before Emerald Dawn II (though I think I continued reading Hellblazer for another year after that), so I'm not entirely up on what went down between restoring the Corps and Emerald Twilight, but I've read the trade and basically, Hal went cuckoo after his hometown (Coast City) was destroyed, even though none of his supporting cast (Tom Kalmaku, Carol Ferris, etc) lived there anymore, and he hadn't even lived there since the Len Wein/Dave Gibbons run (which was probably the best art Hal Jordan had between Neal Adams and Ethan Van Sciver--Joe Staton's stuff was usually good and fun, and the occasional Gil Kane issue was always great, but damn, did Gibbons make him look good!). So, um, Hal Jordan went to seize power from Oa in order to bring Coast City back. A bunch of GLs tried to stop and got whupped, Kilowog got killed even, and then the Guardians, um, laid down and died while Jordan enter the Central Power Battery and absorbed all the GL Power in the Universe, emerging as Parallax.
One Guardian survived and he went and found Kyle Rayner, supposedly at random and gave the last power ring to him.
A bunch of superheroes, including Guy Gardner and Alan Scott, the Golden Age GL, went to Oa to fight Hal and got their asses handed to them. He sent them all back to Earth and warned them to stay out of his way.
Then Hal decided that bringing back Coast City wasn't enough, so he set about destroying the Universe so that he could reboot it, reshaping events to please him, "to make things right" he said all the time. This was called Zero Hour, and he did collapse time, but everything was set almost right by a bunch of joykillers like Green Arrow and Superman.

Then Kyle Rayner fought Hal on Oa, and Kyle blew the planet up to keep Hal from absorbing anymore power from it. Then Hal disappeared.

He surfaced again during the Final Night event (which was actually pretty good, esp. compared to Zero Hour). The Sun-Eater, a cosmic thing that eats suns, was eating the Earth's Sun. A bunch of lame-ass heroes stopped it, but they were too late. It had already stolen most of the sun's energy. So after initially refusing Kyle Rayner's request for help, Hal Jordan sacrificed himself to reignite the sun. But not before visiting the grave of the recently deceased Oliver Queen (Green Arrow). Turns out, Hal grabbed some of Ollie's atoms from Superman's clothes (Supes had been there when Ollie got blowed up, and apparently doesn't do laundry) and brought him back to life (chronicled in Kevin Smith's Green Arrow: Quiver, but summed up most eloquently in Brad Meltzer's ace Green Arrow: Archer's Quest, where Ollie introduces each chapter with "I was dead. I came back." Which is really explanation enough in the DC Universe.).
So Hal was d-e-a-d. No, really. Then Jim Corrigan (not the smart boy, but the Irish cop) was finally released as mortal host of the Spectre and allowed his Heavenly reward. As luck would have it, some bad demons got a hold of the Spectre force and started doing nasty things. So a bunch of heroes went to Heaven to find Corrigan. He said, "Are you shitting me? I'm not going back to that rat-hole!"
Plan B, the heroes go to Purgatory, where they find a bunch of heroes who died without being forgiven or absolved or whatever. Hal Jordan, still in Parallax garb volunteers to be the new Spectre. After some hesitation, they okay it, and save the Universe or something.
Then the new Spectre gets his own series, written by J.M. DeMatteis and drawn mostly by Norm Breyfogle. Subpar work from both highly-esteemed (in my opinion) creators. Basically, Hal Jordan is trying to make the Spectre the Spirit of Redemption rather than it's traditional role as the WRATH OF GOD (that's right, it was the Spectre what brought the locusts to Old Testament Egypt and knocked down the walls of Jericho adn all that jazz). Full of cosmic new agery, it gets cancelled after about (wait for it) TWO YEARS!
In JSA, it's been seen lately that the Vengeance side of the Spectre has been wrestling control away from Hal Jordan and the Redemption side. Batman hates his guts.
And this is pretty much where GL: Rebirth picks up. I think.

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck Tatum and I used to enjoy the Guy Gardner comics...this would have been early-to-mid 90s I believe.

x-post! jeez

― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

And Hector Hammond is a long time GL villain (who's name-checked in Identity Crisis #2) who was accidently evolved 100,000 years. He's got wicked nasty psychic powers and is generally a cold-ass killer. There was a really great, dark storyline involving him and Star Sapphire back in the Englehart/Staton GLC run.

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, I still don't understand. Can you explain it all again with different words?

Only joking, that was very helpful. It makes about as much sense as it is ever going to...

― Mark C (Markco), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

It's not until I see it as those big blocks of text that I realize how unhealthy my fixation really is.

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you have "special" Green Lantern dreams?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:32 (twenty-one years ago)

Actually, I think I'm a bigger fan of Green Arrow anyway. Last night, at the bar for a drink, a lady friend of mine from my more writerly (and less writingly) days asked what I've been reading lately, and was quite horrified to hear that I've mostly been reading comics. She asked what my favourites were and why I like Green Arrow so much.
"Well, he's a lot like, I guess," I replied stroking my pathetic goatee. "For one, he's sort of a knee-jerk liberal, he has problems being faithful to his woman, and of course, he came back from the dead."

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

Hahaha!

Why are all these people green anyway?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, they only had four colours to choose from back then!

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:43 (twenty-one years ago)

You miss the old days, don't you?

― adam... (nordicskilla), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

C M Y K, baby!

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Why are all these people green anyway?

Green ______

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)

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