The Greatest Comics Of All Time (ILC Mix) - Voting Instructions and Advocacy Thread

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OK time to vote.

Here are 148 comics, nominated by YOU as the best ever. Now we need to find out which is REALLY the best.

Please send me your top 20, from the list, in order of preference. These will be given points - 25 for the #1, 20 for the #2, 18 down to 1 for #s 3 to 20.

If you can't find 20 you like, vote for fewer of them - that's fine and it won't change the points for your top ones.

You don't have to vote for the comics you nominated.

If you want to include comments on your list, that's great, we'll run them with the poll.

WHERE DO YOU SEND THE VOTES TO? You send it to freakytrigger@gmail.com, that's GMAIL, not hotmail!

Because there aren't many of us, we can wrap this up pretty quickly. Voting ends on Thursday 11th November. You have a week, in other words.

OK, that's it!

THE NOMINEES

100 Bullets (Azzarello/Risso)
1963 (Moore/Veitch/Bissette)
2000AD Prog 93 - cover only (Unknown)
2001 Nights (Hoshino)
A1 (anthology)
ABC Warriors - First Series (Mills/McMahon)
Action (anthology)
Akira (Otomo)
Alec (Campbell)
A Life Force (Eisner)
Amazing Spider-Man 1-50 (Lee/Ditko/Romita)
Art School Confidential (Clowes)
Asterix (Goscinny/Uderzo)
Bad Company (Milligan/Ewins/McCarthy)
Barefoot Gen (Nakazawa)
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns (Miller)
Batman: Year One (Miller/Mazzuchelli)
Battle Angel Alita (Kishiro)
Beryl The Peril - Law Run (David Law)
Billy The Fish (uncredited)
Blankets (Thompson)
Blueberry (Charlier/Giraud)
Bone (Smith)
Breakfast After Noon (Watson)
Bunty (anthology)
Cages (McKean)
Calvin And Hobbes (Watterson)
Captain Britain (Moore/Davis)
Cerebus: Jaka's Story (Sim/Gerhardt)
Charley's War (Mills/Colquohoun)
Corto Maltese (Pratt)
Crisis On Infinite Earths (Wolfman/Perez)
Dan Dare: Rogue Planet (Hampson)
DC: The New Frontier (Cooke)
Defenders - Gerber Run (Gerber/Buscema)
Detective Comics - Englehart Run (Englehart/Rogers)
Dirty Plotte (Doucet)
Doctor Strange - Ditko Run (Lee/Ditko)
Doom Patrol - Morrison Run (Morrison/Case)
Dragons Claws (Furman/Senior)
Dykes To Watch Out For (Bechdel)
Eightball #22: "Ice Haven" (Clowes)
Elektra: Assassin (Miller/Sienkiewicz)
Elfquest (Pini/Pini)
Enigma (Milligan/Fegredo)
Epileptic (David B)
Fables (Willingham/various)
Fantastic Four - Lee/Kirby Run (Lee/Kirby)
Fantastic Four 232-260 (Byrne)
Flex Mentallo (Morrison/Quitely)
Fourth World (Kirby/Evanier)
Frank (Woodring)
Fritz The Cat (Crumb)
From Hell (Moore/Cambpell)
Galaxy Express 999 (Matsumoto)
Gentleman Jim (Briggs)
Get Your War On (Rees)
Ghost World (Clowes)
Goodbye, Chunky Rice (Thomspon)
Gotham Central (Brubaker/Lark)
Groo (Aragones)
Hard Boiled (Miller/Darrow)
Hate (Bagge)
Hellblazer: Dangerous Habits (Ennis/Dillon)
Hellboy: The Chained Coffin And Others (Mignola)
Horrible Histories (Terry Deary)
Howard The Duck (Gerber/various)
If? (Bell)
Jimmy Corrigan (Ware)
JL - Giffen/DeMatteis Run (Giffen/DeMatteis/Maguire et al)
JLA - Morrison Run (Morrison/Porter)
Judge Dredd - Prog 600-700 Run (Wagner/various)
Judge Dredd - The Day The Law Died (Wagner/Bolland et al.)
Judge Dredd - Wagner/Smith Run (Wagner/Smith)
Julius Knipl, Real Estate Photographer (Katchor)
Krazy Kat (Herriman)
La Mouche (Trondheim)
League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen Vol 1 (Moore/O'Neill)
Little Nemo In Slumberland (McKay)
Lone Wolf And Cub (Koike/Kojima)
Louis Riel (Brown)
Love And Rockets (Los Bros Hernandez)
Lucky Luke (Morris/Goscinny)
MAD (Kurtzman et al.)
Master Race (Krigstein/Feldstein)
Maus (Spiegelman)
Miracleman Book III (Moore/Totleben)
Naughty Bits (Gregory)
Nausicaa Of The Valley Of The Wind (Miyazaki)
Nemesis The Warlock - Books I to IV (Mills/O'Neil/Redondo/Talbot)
New X-Men - Morrison Run (Morrison/Quitely et al.)
Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD (Steranko)
Nikopol Trilogy (Bilal)
Peanuts - 1960s (Schulz)
Phoenix (Tezuka)
Planetary (Ellis/Cassaday)
Plastic Man (Cole)
Pogo (Kelly)
Powers (Bendis/Oeming)
Promethea (Moore/Williams et al)
Queen And Country (Rucka/various)
Safe Area Goradze (Sacco)
Sandman: Endless Nights (Gaiman/various)
Sandman: The Doll's House (Gaiman/various)
Schizo (Brunetti)
Seaguy (Morrison/Stewart)
Shuck Unmasked (Smith/Menesse)
Sketchbook Diaries (Kochalka)
Sleeper (Brubaker)
Spirou And Fantasio (Franquin)
Spy Vs Spy (Prohias)
St Swithins Day (Morrison/Grist)
Stuck Rubber Baby (Cruse)
Summer Blonde (Tomine)
Superman: Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow? (Moore/Swan/Perez/Schaffenberger)
Swamp Thing - Moore Run (Moore/Bissette)
Tales Of The Beanworld (Marder)
Tank Girl (Hewlett/Martin)
Terry And The Pirates (Canniff)
The Ballad Of Halo Jones (Moore/Gibson)
The Bash Street Kids (Baxendale)
The Diary Of A Teenage Girl (Gloekner)
The Hobbit (Tolkein/Dixon/Wenzel)
The Invisibles (Morrison/Various)
The Jungle Book (Kurtzmann)
The Man Who Could Not Die (Unknown)
The Poor Bastard (Matt)
The Shadow (Helfer/Baker)
The Spirit (Eisner)
Thimble Theatre 1930-1938 (Segar)
Tintin (Herge)
Tintin In The Congo (Herge)
Tintin: The Seven Crystal Balls (Herge)
Top 10 (Moore/Ha)
Transformers UK (Furman/various)
Trigan Empire (Lawrence)
Ultimate Future Shock (Ewing)
Uncle Scrooge (Barks)
Urusei Yatsura - Perfect Collection (Takahashi)
Uzumaki (Ito)
V For Vendetta (Moore/Lloyd)
Viz (anthology)
Watchmen (Moore/Gibbons)
Whizzer And Chips (anthology)
Willy The Kid (Baxendale)
Y: The Last Man (Vaughan/Guerra)
Yummy Fur (Brown)
Zenith (Morrison/Yeowell)

MOD EDIT: Changes have been made to correct the comma-delimiting issue & Stuck Rubber Baby.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 4 November 2004 08:57 (twenty years ago)

Please use the rest of this thread to shout about the comics you think people should vote for and diss the ones you think they shouldn't. But please don't post your actual votes here - NO SPOILERS ;)

(also if someone votes here and not by email it won't be counted)

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 4 November 2004 08:58 (twenty years ago)

A couple of lesser-known ones I'd like to wave the flag for a bit: "Epileptic" is freaking brilliant, visually and conceptually--I keep lending out my copy and then having to replace it. (An English translation of the whole thing is coming out in January.) And I can't imagine that esp. ILX's UK readers have gotten to see "Dykes to Watch Out For," given that it barely runs in any American papers, but Bechdel's a very, very interesting cartoonist--she's improved dramatically in the last few years, so start with the most recent collection of her stuff you can find. I especially like the long narratives at the end of her last few collections.

If I'd been paying attention when nominations were open, I'd have added "Cerebus: Church & State" (less focused than "Jaka's Story," but a total tour de force of cartooning) and probably Carla Speed McNeil's Finder (some of the cleverest science fiction stuff I've ever read, and drawn beautifully).

― Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 4 November 2004 09:51 (twenty years ago)

Tom, you still have the author of Stuck Rubber Baby wrong. It's Howard Cruse, not Cruze.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 4 November 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Goodbye
Julius Knipl
Nick Fury

I sense the hand of computers. These should be

Goodbye, Chunky Rice by Craig Thompson
Julius Knipl, Real Estate Photographer by Ben Katchor
Nick Fury, Agent Of S.H.I.E.L.D. by Jim Steranko

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 November 2004 15:15 (twenty years ago)

A request for more useful information (for lazy people): is Epileptic in print now? Is it likely to be in my local comics shop?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 November 2004 15:18 (twenty years ago)

http://www.dykestowatchoutfor.com/

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 November 2004 15:21 (twenty years ago)

i'm regretting no hothead paisan to balance bechdel's dykes (and i have affection for dykes but sometimes you gotta let that rage out)

― H (Heruy), Thursday, 4 November 2004 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Fantagraphics has put out Volume One of Epileptic. The second collection hasn't been translated into English yet; you might be able to get it as an import from L'Association.

― ng, Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:26 (twenty years ago)

I should have nominated Li'l Abner, but don't regret any of my nominations. Ah well.

This and this and this big up Gerber's Defenders better than I could -- I suspect Howard the Duck will do better, though, because it's sounded like more people here have read it.

Gerber also came up with the very satisfying conclusion to what has to be the most outrageous epic ever to run in any comics magazine, bar none. I'm referring to the Headmen/Bozos/Nebulon saga, of course (in DEFENDERS #'s 31-40 and GIANT-SIZE DEFENDERS #5, with peripheral portions scattered here and there in other issues as well). This was insanity incarnate, distilled and purified. The Headmen, Nebulon, ludberdites, bozos -- even Gerald Ford -- all cavorted for oveer ten issues, with the culmination being a philosophical exchange among Dr. Strange, Nebulon and President Ford, held in nether-space. And that's not to mention about a half-dozen-or-so brains and minds being switched from head to head, by (you guessed it) the Headmen -- so often and so unpredictably that you needed a scorecard to tell whose mind was in whose brain was in whose body. But viewed as an artistic whole, the blasted thing makes sense -- damn good sense. Gerber constructed a multi-part masterwork that, to my knowledge, stands unique in comics. It was a fitting capstone to Steve's riotous reign on THE DEFENDERS, and is perhaps the finest sustained effort (with individual portions already classics) in the first fifty issues of the magazine.

The bizarreness that Grant Morrison is so good at in Doom Patrol and Seaguy and parts of JLA (the DC One Million stuff is what I have in mind here) is like equal parts Kirby and Gerber (although I have no idea if those are the actual direct influences or not).

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:29 (twenty years ago)

I stalled w/ my Defenders sometime around the 1st Avengers / Defenders x-over - I think I'll be doing a little hopscotch over to that set of issues now.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 November 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago)

no marmaduke, this election's a sham! you've made a mockery of the system!

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:18 (twenty years ago)

Travishamockery!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Wow, no one nominated Bendis & Maleev's Daredevil or Preacher. Or any X-Men other than Morrison's!

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:49 (twenty years ago)

Is the DC ONe Million stuff all in the trade? I should buy that today. I feel shitty because I think, in the last year and a bit, I've read all the good DC epics (and a lot of the bad ones).

― Huk-L, Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:54 (twenty years ago)

There were a lot of DC One Million crossover issues (i.e. all of the DC comics that month), but I don't remember offhand which ones bear directly on the main story, and don't know if any of them are in the trade. Resurrection Man was pretty key, if I remember right.

That was coincidentally the same month the last issue of Young Heroes in Love was scheduled, so their final issue was #One Million, which was odd but made for kind of a cute story.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 4 November 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago)

Apologies for the various special super secret bonus mistakes, no-prizes all round.

I voted good and early so as not to use my votes to fix things later on.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:11 (twenty years ago)

But did you vote often?

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Chase is also a comic that ran from #1 to #1,000,000

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh weird -- was #1,000,000 goofy? It was one of the ones I never picked up. Did they actually do Chase One Million, or just have her dealing with one of the JLA One Million folks?

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:27 (twenty years ago)

I think it was set in the 350th or whatever century, where there was a Chase Agency, like the CIA. It's female agents used spoken power glyphs in their pursuit of supercriminals. So you had one of them speaking a speech bubble that contained the GL ring symbol, and she would have ring powers until she needed another one. I thought I had a copy but it turns out that I don't. Ah well, it's not like I wasn't going to buy the TPB.

I would've voted for the Proud Americans TPB of Preacher if a few more of my shortlist had been done.

As regard the X-Men, I get the impression that Claremont's run is one of those things where the poor end tarnished the excellent start.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:41 (twenty years ago)

No Sin City, either! "Fuck a canon," the ILC said.

(not that I'm complaining mind you)

― Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:45 (twenty years ago)

It was in, but whoever nominated it took it out in favour of someone else, and I guess no-one wanted to drop one of their choices to let it back in. See also my comment about tarnishing (x10000).

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 4 November 2004 19:48 (twenty years ago)

I would've voted for a truncated Claremont run on X-Men, but wasn't enthusiastic enough to nominate it or trade one of my noms in. But yeah, it's a surprising omission.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 4 November 2004 20:05 (twenty years ago)

"Epileptic 1" (Fantagraphics/L'Association) = "L'Ascension du Haut Mal" vols. 1-3
"Epileptic," due in January from Pantheon = "L'Ascension du Haut Mal," all six volumes

― Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 4 November 2004 20:10 (twenty years ago)

oh Tep, the Gerber Defenders is high up in my list, I'm down to abt 18 and just rejiggering now. my vote should be in by tomorrow or so.

lack of knowledge of a huge chunk of noms may be contributing to my ease in decision here.

― H (Heruy), Thursday, 4 November 2004 20:59 (twenty years ago)

i kinda wish someone had voted for some crumb other than fritz the cat - he did WAY better stuff than that in the '80s.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 4 November 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Holy shit, no American Splendor? I saw the movie, haven't read much @ all, but that omission seems VERY strange.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 4 November 2004 21:36 (twenty years ago)

I think St Swithin's Day is the best edited comic on the list.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago)

I mean, shouldn't there be some sort of award for that?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 4 November 2004 23:17 (twenty years ago)

That would be the Martin Skidmore Back-Pat Award.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:14 (twenty years ago)

ditto to j.d.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:36 (twenty years ago)

i ranked them from sexiest to least sexy and slotted 1-20 in their slots (safe area goradze #1, etc.)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 5 November 2004 00:38 (twenty years ago)

i kind of really want to do a "worst comics ever" poll after this!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:08 (twenty years ago)

That'd be ever harder to get consensus on (which might make it interesting too) -- not because of "oh but that's good!" (me vs Tom re: Waid's Flash, I think Dan vs me re: some of the X-Men stuff) so much as everyone's worst comics being stuff no one's heard of. The first thing that came to mind for me was the crap in the FF annual during Claremont's brief run, which I doubt many other people even considered reading.

But I'd totally be willing to spend way too much time thinking of nominations, if we do that :)

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 5 November 2004 01:17 (twenty years ago)

Chynna Clugston-Major's first comic was terrible, it had vampires in it. And there's another one which was even worse, but thankfully the name escapes me. (and let's not forget those nice people at Unicorn Teaparty Press)

(Also my list would include Hothead Paisan, and If)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 5 November 2004 02:35 (twenty years ago)

Tep, Steve Gerber's comics are an admitted influence on both Alan Moore and Grant Morrison (and possibly another of the Brit-pack(TM) of artists and writers who hit the US in the 80s.)

I'm sad in that I haven't yet read ANY of Gerber's work on The Defenders (and probably won't unless I can find it all cheap somehow, or they manage to get a second volume of Essential Defenders out.)

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 5 November 2004 03:46 (twenty years ago)

I just read Smax last night and can definitely see how much Moore must have loved Gerber.

I wouldn't be surprised if they put out a second Defenders, given how not-so-essential the Essentials are becoming. My fingers are definitely crossed for it.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 5 November 2004 15:05 (twenty years ago)

KEEP VOTING ILC BRETHREN!

About 15 ballots so far, all very interesting. No hints though.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 5 November 2004 20:19 (twenty years ago)

4 days to go!

The #1 changed over the weekend ;)

― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:41 (twenty years ago)

Picking these is nightmarish. I'm having a whole mini vote on my own.

― Vic Fluro, Sunday, 7 November 2004 23:47 (twenty years ago)

I'm finding this way harder than the ILM poll for some reason. Maybe because I know my votes will make more of a difference.

― Wooden (Wooden), Monday, 8 November 2004 00:33 (twenty years ago)

This is an absolute nightmare, I can't get it below 30 that I want to vote for. Much harder than the ILM polls.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 8 November 2004 16:08 (twenty years ago)

I found it hard too - maybe 20 was too few - but on the other hand I've had several ballots with less than 20... it's still something like 1/7 of the nominees and it's given a fairly even spread.

The final rankings are going to be by points, then # of votes, and only things which got multiple votes will be counted.

There are a couple of comics I feel a bit sorry for which have got 4 or 5 votes already but haven't even broken the 25-point barrier yet.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 8 November 2004 18:39 (twenty years ago)

I almost stopped at 16.

― the apex of nadirs (Rock Hardy), Monday, 8 November 2004 19:19 (twenty years ago)

I've been really brutal, took half an hour out of work this afternoon and finished it. It was bloody hard.

But I've left them at work, so can't post them to Tom and I'm not back there till (probably) Friday. If I don't make it in on Thursday they'll be in the ether first thing Friday morning Tom. Yes, I know it's after the deadline...

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:06 (twenty years ago)

Oh alright then - BAH!!! Actually I wasn't going to be able to start the countdown till the weekend, so the deadline is extended to lunchtime (GMT) on Friday.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 8 November 2004 22:42 (twenty years ago)

I finally voted.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:34 (twenty years ago)

I'm not voting. As the Ayn Rand Institute has taught me, voting subjugates my individual rights, and I cannot be party to that.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Go back to Qward, you commie.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:53 (twenty years ago)

http://haljor.homestead.com/files/emorqwa3.gif

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 15:56 (twenty years ago)

What time does betting end on Thursday??

― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:36 (twenty years ago)

at thirty-seven hundred hours jel

(even this is too early for me as i am right now off up-country to the land of no interwebs and not back till late sat)

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:41 (twenty years ago)

Betting now ends mid-day Friday.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Mark dont think just vote! (or vote via thought rays)

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:46 (twenty years ago)

Betting! Let's see some odds!

Watchmen: 2 to 3
Maus: even money
Lee / Kirby FF: 2 to 1
Jimmy Corrigan: 4 to 1
Get Your War On: 6 to 1 and rising!
Howard the Duck: 100 to 1
The Ultimate Future Shock: no action on account of the poll being run by the Shocker's OWN BROTHER!

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:35 (twenty years ago)

Done it at last. That was an effort.

― Wooden (Wooden), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 01:21 (twenty years ago)

if i had to bet my guess is #1 will be watchmen or what i had #1 (not listed by dave arrr).

― cinniblount (James Blount), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 08:37 (twenty years ago)

It's much closer than I thought it would be - about 5 different things could easily end up #1

(and I'm not saying that to encourage more votes)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 09:08 (twenty years ago)

From what I can remember of my votes, I can confidently predict that my #1 will not make the top 10, maybe even top 20.

I think Howard The duck will do very well indeed - I think there's a half-decent chance it could even be one of the 5 Tom refers to above.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:09 (twenty years ago)

I suspect my top two have little chance, as they are both newspaper strips.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:25 (twenty years ago)

I bet I forget to send in my votes.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:55 (twenty years ago)

Not if I forget first!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 20:58 (twenty years ago)

Dunno, Martin, my top choice was a newspaper strip....!

― ng, Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:00 (twenty years ago)

A good third of mine, including the top two, were newspaper strips!

― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:19 (twenty years ago)

Can I make a little request, which is that people don't talk about their lists and votes until the results all go up. It doesn't matter much on the big ILM polls with with only 25-30 ballots a few leaks could amount to spoilers on this one.

Thanks :)

(and thanks for voting)

(don't forget DV)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:21 (twenty years ago)

Oh, perhaps I'm wrong then - it was the posts upthread suggesting likely winners, without mentioning any strips, that made me imagine not many had voted much for these. Four of my top seven were strips, then none after that - partly because my next few favourite strips weren't even nominated.

xpost: that's why I'm not mentioning names.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago)

And can I also ask for help with the polling - I need a couple of people to help with comments, one modern indies fan and one old newspaper strips fan, pretty much everything else I feel fairly competent to talk about...

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago)

Oh and come to think of it a manga fan too :)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:26 (twenty years ago)

I'll quite happily do modern indies if you like Tom (assuming this doesn't give too much away about my possible voting patterns).

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 10 November 2004 22:34 (twenty years ago)

i'm up for comments too

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 03:03 (twenty years ago)

i'd be willing to talk about old newspaper strips!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Thursday, 11 November 2004 04:18 (twenty years ago)

Tom I might be able to manage a few of the manga, though I suspect that Martin can say plenty about a certain couple titles.

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 11 November 2004 05:32 (twenty years ago)

Excellent!

OK, FINAL REMINDER to vote - poll closes tomorrow. There's still a handful of ILC luminaries whose votes I'd love to see and still plenty of opportunity to affect the final outcome.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 11 November 2004 08:43 (twenty years ago)

hey maybe e-mail jess: he's a comix geek, i'm pretty sure ethan is too (hey mark tell e)

― cinniblount (James Blount), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:13 (twenty years ago)

I made it to work today after all - my votes should be in yr gmail very soon Tom.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 11 November 2004 09:50 (twenty years ago)

i wish i had nominated STRIP - the monthly anthology featuring Storm, the hilarious Man From Cancer and nonsensical but exciting serialisation of Death's Head: The Body In Question starring the 'loveable' bounty hunter (usual excellent Senior artwork) - more for The Man From Cancer than anything else tho

― Freelance Hiveminder (blueski), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:14 (twenty years ago)

Tom, I'll give you comments for any of the ones I voted for, in particular, so just drop me a line or something telling me which ones you'd like.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 11 November 2004 13:40 (twenty years ago)

I'd be happy to do comments, but I'm guessing that most of the places where I can offer assistance have already been taken care of. Still, if you reach out, I'll be there.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I just sent my vote. If you want any comments on the comics I voted for Tom, just e-mail me, I'd be happy to provide them.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 11 November 2004 14:40 (twenty years ago)

I voted, not for 20 though.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 11 November 2004 18:03 (twenty years ago)

Tom, I'll give you comments for any of the ones I voted for, in particular, so just drop me a line or something telling me which ones you'd like

Ditto for me.. Im also familiar with all of the manga titles on the list, in the unlikely event one makes it into the top 10.

― droid, Thursday, 11 November 2004 21:18 (twenty years ago)

I'd be happy enough to submit comments.

― Vic Fluro, Thursday, 11 November 2004 23:56 (twenty years ago)

Shocking omission that I've only just noticed: no Transmetropolitan!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 02:21 (twenty years ago)

It's not like it was going to make it onto any list...

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 12 November 2004 07:40 (twenty years ago)

Well, quite. Is it any more shocking than the lack of Invisibles or Preacher? More consistently high quality, perhaps, (although there's an argument to be made that the quality of Preacher never drops - there's just the issue of whether you go for Garth's MEN & GUNS schtick or not) but would anybody actually have voted for it?

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 November 2004 09:14 (twenty years ago)

I would definitely have voted for it, that was why I was consternated.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 10:53 (twenty years ago)

Fair play, I always perceived it as one of those "classic" Vertigo series that although generally pretty good was overhyped by the DC marketing machine (and benefitted from existing in a time when quality in the mainstream had dipped markedly).

I'm now getting quite excited about the results.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 November 2004 11:01 (twenty years ago)

It was a fine political satire, it was gonzo, it was snappily written and regularly offensive (and Darick Robinson!). It also had the ability to slow down and hit targets dead on (the issue about the revival, for instance) It's definitely in the top five Vertigo comics, I would have said.

(also there isn't a lack of The Invisibles. Vote for The Invisibles, everyone!)

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 11:08 (twenty years ago)

I see your point, and I did enjoy reading it, but I far prefer Warren Ellis doing hard SF to dystopic satire. Top 5 Vertigo? I can see why you could think so, but isn't that a factor of the longevity? There have been some great Vertigo minis (War Story springing immediately to mind) and some superb Vertigo co-opting (GM's Doom Patrol) that make it a fairly crowded field.

Yes, you're right, I missed seeing The Invisibles. Which I might have voted for had the final book never come out, it ruined it for me.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 November 2004 11:31 (twenty years ago)

Doom Patrol/Animal Man are pre-Vertigo, and are much better that Transmet, it's true. The various War Stories are excellent genre exercises, and TBH not much more.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 11:58 (twenty years ago)

TOM SEZ:

voting is over.

35 ballots in the end - not bad!

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 12 November 2004 12:12 (twenty years ago)

SHIT!!!
I was away most of yesterday, come on, let me file late!

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago)

The voting's really over? Ah, this British/American time divide always messes me up. I already voted, but I was hoping to get someone else in on it.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:03 (twenty years ago)

first year or two of Transmet is tigs, but falls over (and then attempts to crawl up own arse) after that. there's easily a thousand comics better than it, let alone a hundred.

(Preacher drags a bit in the last third but does OK in the consistency stakes. but Hitman is much better and WAY more consistent!)

― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:35 (twenty years ago)

Sorry non-voting dudes! There's always the 2004 poll :)

I know some Huk-L favourites are in there, anyway.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 12 November 2004 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Ah, well, my own fault for waiting until the last minute and then not accounting for time zones. I think I'm better qualified for the 2004 poll anyway.

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 17:59 (twenty years ago)

The Pinefox told me last night that after nominating one of the comics I edited - his second favourite of all time - he then didn't get around to voting! Damn!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 12 November 2004 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Oh noes I forgot to vote! (Work has been keeping me superbusy lately.)

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Friday, 12 November 2004 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Can we declare this poll undemocratic, since so many of the biggest nerds, er poster, didn't bother voting because they're lazy?

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago)

No, but we get to blame you when the results come back. :>

(and Tom for rigging the results, of course)

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 12 November 2004 21:17 (twenty years ago)

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