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― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 18:59 (twenty-one years ago)

It's like comedy, the more you talk about it, the less good it is.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

People's faces are very hard to see in it. Besides that, it's good.

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:26 (twenty-one years ago)

What have you read?

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

He must've read Batman: Black & Blacker.

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

UNRESOLVED

― adam... (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Batman: Lack of Contrast

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you read the trade? It's really reasonably priced, so I have no reservation about encouraging everyone to buy it.
I don't really mind too much about the faces because I'm not really sure who anybody is. They're cops, they do cop work, what else matters?

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 9 November 2004 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

one of them's a lesbian who's dating a chef and anytime someone mentions food or nationalities or anything really she'll pipe up and go 'oh you have to try my gf's potatocakes'. OK WE GET IT YOU'RE DATING A CHEF.

― cinniblount (James Blount), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Batman: Sliced, Diced, and Julianna

― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 November 2004 22:29 (twenty-one years ago)

From the Ask the Editors at dccomics.com:

CENTRAL RARE?
Hi. I discovered GOTHAM CENTRAL at #15 and haven't stopped reading it since. It's awesome. I bought the first trade paperback, and I'm wondering when you're planning to release the second and third collections. I've been looking for the back issues anyway, but they proved to be hard to find.
— SW
"Hi" back at ya, SW! We're glad you asked, because we have both the second and third trade paperbacks coming to you in 2005! Book Two collects the Eisner Award-winning "Half A Life" story (issues #6-10), and will be out in the spring, while the third volume will contain the terrifying Joker storyline (issues #12-15), and you can find that later in the year! And thanks for supporting CENTRAL!
— Matt Idelson, Senior Editor, GOTHAM CENTRAL

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 15:43 (twenty-one years ago)

What about #11? I hate it when they do that shit.

― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 12 November 2004 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

See also Starman, which has been collecting everything except the Times Past issues, whcih will be released in a separate volume in 2050.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 12 November 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm pretty sure I've seen the Times Past book.

― Huk-L, Friday, 12 November 2004 16:23 (twenty-one years ago)

four months pass...

I read lots of this at the weekend. Very good. A mark of how good it is is that it often turns out to be a disappointment when the inevitable super-stuff comes in, viz. Half A Life, "oh it's two-face", what?, holy continuity Batman.

How many of the cops have appeared in DC stuff before?

People who date chefs do this in real life too I think.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 April 2005 11:20 (twenty years ago)

Do what, Tom?

(I'm "reading this in trades", i.e. not at all because DC apparently refuses to release it in trades)

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Put little "hey I'm dating a chef" tells into their conversation. At least the one I work with does sometimes.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

GC "real-life" characters that have appeared in places before (that I know of):

- Renee Montoya (introduced in Batman or DC sometime after the 1st animated Batman series hit)
- Harvey Bullock (he's old school, isn't he?)
- Maggie Sawyer (thank you John Byrne) (former head of Metropolis' Special Crimes Unit, or some such bogginses)
- Josie Mac (created by Judd Winick in a DC backup story)

My "holy continuity" moments come when BATMAN jumps in. It seems that a few too many stories involving a Batfreak resort to denouements involving THEE Bat Freak, which is convenient, but also annoying. What about the resolve of the human spirit in the face of freeze guns?

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Does Josie have teh superpowers? I couldn't work out whether her "oh look here's the evidence" thing was some kind of already-known psychic thing or some simmering plot thing.

Also is Jim Corrigan Jim Corrigan?

I remember Maggie Sawyer fondly from my Superman reading days. I wonder if Bibbo is still alive.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 April 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

That's the big question with Jim Corrigan.
Josie has superpowers. SPOILER: Catwoman knows, and I think her partner knows.
I wish it had been Bibbo Batman was holding on the cover of Countdown.

― Huk-L, Monday, 11 April 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

JM superpower is not one you could use wearing a mask though. She just knows where lost stuff is. Very handy as a detective mind.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but I think that Rucka & Brubaker are setting up Josie as a possible outcast / pariah, given her co-workers' attitudes towards the superfolk, never mind that having that sort of advantage could lead to fancy promotions & accolades & such, while "normal" folk working their asses off get overlooked. That'd be an interesting storyline to persue, though I'd be pleasantly surprised if her "gift" was outed, and folks were like, "Psychic? Whatever. Stop feeling sorry for yourself & help out w/ all these open cases already."

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Well, and there's also the whole due process business she has to worry about to. Even in the DCU, I doubt there are too many judges who would issue a search warrant based on Extra Sensory Perception.
But yeah, you get the feeling sometimes that Josie's "gift" or whatever she calls it, might be more alienating to her coworkers than Montoya's l3sbianism.

― Huk-L, Monday, 11 April 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

- Harvey Bullock (he's old school, isn't he?)

he's in The Killing Joke, but existed before that.

I have problems telling the characters in GC apart, but I still love it.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

Ha - me, too, though I've gotten better. I have a REAL problem w/ differentiating different folks when Greg Scott is the guest artist.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

Also the artists seem not to draw some people the same AT ALL - Stacy's alt.ness and Nora's dumpiness are highly variable.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

I also have trouble remembering character's names (aside from the guys & gals w/ lots of camera time).

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

I suppose the only thing that annoys me about it is that it's so much a stand-alone comic except for the moments when it isn't which turn out to be really crucial to the story (POSSIBLE SPOILERS) - like the Two-Face/Montoya thing or that whole issue with the Huntress going to talk to some detective we'd never met before, and I'm scratching my head going "why the Huntress?" and finally I remember she has some kind of mob connection.

I love g-bay.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

i like the stand-alone issue with stacy daydreaming about batman

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 11 April 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

I have trouble remembering characters too, but not when I'm actually reading it. It's almost like Law & Order and Homicide (to a lesser degree) in that while the characters are fine and good, it's really the instutions themselves that star in the series.

Bullock goes back to at least the early 80s. He's definitely pre-Crisis. And he was involved in Checkmate for a while, so maybe we'll see him in OMAC!

And I really like the Flash tie-in. On the one hand, yeah, it's great that Gotham Central sort of exists in its own little corner of the DCU, but on the other hand, why not?

― Huk-L, Monday, 11 April 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

I wish it had been Bibbo Batman

Who's Bibbo Batman?

― Lëêé (Leee), Monday, 11 April 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO KNOW.

― Bibbo Batman (Leee), Monday, 11 April 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

He was a Bob Haney creation featured in World's Finest in the 70s. He wore his cape in the front and ate bat-lobster.

― Huk-L, Monday, 11 April 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

YOU DON'T SAY.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

"I'm hip all right--but not to creeps who call me crazy!"
http://www.supermanartists.comics.org/batman/supersons-wf215.JPG

― Huk-L, Monday, 11 April 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

"Hold on so I can zap him!"

ZZZZZZZZZZZZAP!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 11 April 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

I've just read #30 (well, Friday, but my computer at home is effed up and I can't figure it out), and I feel the need to reiterate my love for this series.

― Huk-L, Monday, 18 April 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Rucka talks GC (and OMAC) http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=5107

― Huk-L, Monday, 18 April 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

I dunno - I liked the newest issue well enough, but the REALLY OBVIOUS Silence of the Lambs "homage" was a bit too unaware of itself for my tastes. (I mean, really, "quid pro quo") &, also, gee, he's handcuffed near his experiment and he gets free WHAT A SHOCK! The scene w/ Montoya's dad & her GF totally made my month, though.

Don't mind me.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Ha ha, once again, having never seen Silence of the Lambs enhances my life!

― Huk-L, Monday, 18 April 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

The Fourth Rail takes Rucka to task on the "Quid Pro Quo" lift too. I guess, not that many GC readers are as obsessively into Homicide: Life on the Street as I am. Rucka (far more than Brubaker) has been lifting wholesale from that since the series' inception, and I don't care.

― Huk-L, Monday, 18 April 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Thirty Year Olds On The Interweb W/ Knowledge of Pop Culture Are Killing Comics!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 18 April 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

I read 'Half a Life' last night, it's really good. Including the Detective Comics issues that introduce the Montoya/Two-Face thing is a nice touch, it almost makes me want to read Cataclysm or No Man's Land.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

I haven't read it yet. I foolishly picked up the War Games Vol. 2 trade instead.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

You mean No Man's Land, not GC, right?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

I mean the Half A Life trade. I've only been reading the floppies since "Unresolved", I am ashamed to admit.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

THE TRUTH COMES OUT. Is Unresolved after Half a Life, then?

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

Yes. I got the "In The Line Of Duty" trade when it came out, and then picked up the series around #18 or 19. I think Half A Life is around #8. So there's still Soft Targets to go for me after this.

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 7 June 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

I still haven't read any Gotham Central. A few weeks ago I saw that Rucka was writing it and got interested (I'm still recovering from my lapse in nerdiness, yasee) but I like to begin reading things at the beginning of an arc.

Yeah.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

The first trade is cheap as hell, and worth checking out.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 7 June 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

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No - I read "Gotham Central", I don't read about it.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 6 January 2006 21:53 (twenty years ago)

so corrigan's totally getting off somehow right?

― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 7 January 2006 08:03 (twenty years ago)

I hope Batman does not sort it out in the last issue.

maybe Montoya will become the new Robin.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 7 January 2006 14:54 (twenty years ago)

Montoya kills corrigan, leaves gotham FOR GOOD!!!!

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Sunday, 8 January 2006 04:48 (twenty years ago)

And then makes w/ the lesbionic superhero lovin'.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 8 January 2006 07:50 (twenty years ago)

lesbionic superhero lovin'
Are you saying you think she'll hook up with Sasha "Sister Eye" Bordeaux?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 9 January 2006 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Power Girl needs love (doo doo doo doo) too!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 9 January 2006 21:50 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...

So it's finally over. I won't spoil it for whoever hasn't read it (they blow up the Death Star), but I do hope that the most senior surviving character does not turn into a superhero in some unspecified future title.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Oh, the future title is quite specified, and the space is quite operational, my dirty vicarious friend!

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:29 (twenty years ago)

er, Space STATION

― Grand Moff Dumbass-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 2 February 2006 20:46 (twenty years ago)

The most-senior non-surviving character already appears to be turning into a superhero. See Infinite Sadface #4.

― Douglas (Douglas), Thursday, 2 February 2006 21:47 (twenty years ago)

yeah crispin alan is the spector now

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:02 (twenty years ago)

I don't mean in rank terms. OK, let's go spoil, anyone who hasn't read the last issue shouldn't be reading this anyway, what I mean is, will Montoya show up in some future comic as LESBIAN LATINA LADY, fighting crime and prejudice in a feisty manner? that would suck.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

Official word is that she's going to be one of the five or six stars of the weekly series 52 that will debut sometime this year and immeditately fall behind schedule. It's going to "fill in the gap" of the One Year that the rest of the DC Universe is jumping ahead.
Co-starring with Renee Montoya (no word on whether or not characters/plots will intersect) will be: Booster Gold, Black Adama (Reverse-Shazam played by Lorne Greene), Ralph Dibny (Elongo-Man), the Question, and maybe someone I'm forgetting.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:01 (twenty years ago)

Surely they've gotta have another woman in there?
Anyway, the point is, no one has co-starred with Booster Gold for 52 issues of ANYTHING and not wound up in spandex at some point. Though Booster Gold's ONE AND ONLY shot at his own title didn't even make it halfway to 52.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:06 (twenty years ago)

52 sounds less interesting with every passing moment. And am I the only one who saw Crispus becoming the Spectre like two or three issues ago (before he was kilt, certainly.) The series didn't end as strongly as it began, but there's a couple of reasons for that (like Brub and Lark leaving) for that.

― Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:02 (twenty years ago)

argh so mad.
why is montoya a coward?

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Saturday, 4 February 2006 04:34 (twenty years ago)

So I just read the first trade and it's not bad at all. Good solid story telling and I like the art - there are some wonderfully kinetic action sequences. I think I'll prefer this to Powers. One very minor gripe: If you're writing a comic in which swearing is not allowed, substitute less offensive words. Rows of @'s *'s and !'s breaking up dialogue is just distracting.

So when did Gordon stop being commisioner? And what's that reference to Wayne going crazy about? (Feel free to mock my ignorance, I'm very out of touch)

― chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Hurm. Wayne going crazy? Possibly residue from the Bruce Wayne: Murder event?

Commissioner Gordon retired during the Officer Down event (those Bat-Events sure were plentiful, and must have been durn dull as monthlies, but make for great marathon cbr sessions!), after he was shot. It was a rilly cool EVENT, and featured Gordon telling Batman off and was the set up for Gotham Central (introducing the central cast).

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Ooo, I'd enjoy seeing Gordon put Bats in his place. I like how the cops in GC regard him with a mixture of awe and resentfulness.

― chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Wednesday, 8 February 2006 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Brubaker came up with Stacy!

― c(''c) (Leee), Monday, 13 February 2006 04:57 (twenty years ago)

Check out the last issue of Birds of Prey, then, where Barbara Gordon dresses Batman down in front of her dad.
"The last time you inspired anybody," she says, "was when you were paralyzed."

Part of that I made up.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 13 February 2006 04:58 (twenty years ago)

barbara gordon just wants others to be crippled like her.

― Special Agent Gene Krupa (orion), Monday, 13 February 2006 05:32 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

I read the third trade last night. MORE GOTHAM CENTRAL COLLECTIONS, PLS.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Btw, anyone happen to remember what was in the issues that this trade skipped over (#17 and #18, I think)? Fill-ins?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Thank you, wikipedia:

Life is Full of Disappointments
(Gotham Central #16-18)
Written by Ed Brubaker/Greg Rucka. Art by Greg Scott.

A murder investigation is passed between three different sets of detectives across the three issues, allowing a glimpse into the various lives of the detectives. This story also features The Huntress.

I hope they go back and put this in the next trade.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think all the GC collections leave out issues, as a reward for the trill fans who bought the originals. This, of course, just makes me say fuck buying the trades.

― kit brash (kit brash), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

#11 has also been left out, and the next trade announced skips a few stories too, so maybe they'll have a leftovers book once they've collected all the Eisner winning stories or whatever.
That Joker story in the new trade is pretty fucking awesome

xpost

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, if they don't collect the odds & ends eventually I'll have to go hunt down the singles.

On the other hand, didn't the trade with the Montoya storyline collect some random issues from Detective and Batman to help set things up? That's kind of cool.

That Joker story in the new trade is pretty fucking awesome

Yes.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, considering the fact that someone dies in the first few pages of the first issue, it's impressive how well they get across the fact that the Joker is just fucking terrifying.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't realize issues had been left out!! WHY THEY DO THAT.

yeah that joker story rules the roost.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

WHY THEY DO THAT

Ruckism.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

MODS VS RUCKAS

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 17 May 2006 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

Obligatory "I just started reading this and am liking it greatly" post. Read the whole first trade today. Now deciding whether to hunt down the rest of the floppies on g-bay or continue buying the trades in hopes that they eventually release everything in said format. Totally feels like a tv show, and whereas blatant cinematicism (word?) in comics can oft times bug me, it does not do so with this here book.

― barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Sunday, 6 August 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

step one: get the trades
step two: get missing issues

― the eunuchs, Cassim and Mustafa, who guarded Abdur Ali's harem (orion), Sunday, 6 August 2006 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

read the first trade as lib copy. its ok yeah. pondering spending money.

― wrist of oak (bulbs), Sunday, 6 August 2006 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

GC is so good. I hope they eventually collect the issues that are getting skipped over in the trades.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

I MISS YOU GC

COME BACK

BRING BODY OF CRISPUS ALLEN

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 November 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

So he dies, huh.

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

lol j/k ;)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

WHATEVER

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

(nah it's cool, I had just come across that spoiler on the wiki)

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

That's what you get for reading the trades! Those issues probably won't be TPB'd until 2014!

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I know, right. :(

― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 6 November 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

COME BACK STACY

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

god i gotta get my ass to a comic shop.

― calvin johnson has ruined rock for an entire generation (orion), Monday, 6 November 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kinda tempted to get the new trade even though I already have those issues, cuz trades stand up to multiplone re-readings better, right?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 13 November 2006 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

You need to have more faith in the non-corrosive qualities of your natural secretions. And friend chicken grease.

I spent the weekend reorganizing my comix (9 short boxes, 7 long boxes, 1 HUGE mess), and I found my GC run. CAN'T WAIT.

(I'll read a real book again one of these days, Mom, I promise.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 13 November 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

I spent the weekend reorganizing my comix (9 short boxes, 7 long boxes, 1 HUGE mess)

This phrase gives me the fear. I really need to do this myself, with a similar sized pile. I think I realised this when I bought the new hardback edition of V For Vendetta after seeing the film to read again, mainly because I couldn't face raking through the boxes looking for the DC floppies or my Warriors.

I think I might sort out my bookshelves first, mainly since I have more Showcases and Spirits lying around than are currently on shelves. That might embolden me.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 13 November 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

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