So, I guess the questions are: -- Who's a genuinely good dialogue writer in comics? (I think maybe Sim, Tomine, Clowes and Marjane Satrapi -- then Peter David and Bendis at the pulp end.)-- The fact that most comic dialogue sounds dumb read out loud, or wouldn't play on TV -- does that actually matter?
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Tuesday, 16 March 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)
To me TV dialogue is usually suck if taken by itself, but in the mouths of adept actors it becomes a non-issue.
For that matter, judging comics dialogue by TV standards seems unintuitive and a bit arbitrary.
― O.Leee.B. (Leee), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 02:04 (twenty-two years ago)
If you're talking about dialogue that feels "real": Ralf König, Clare Bretécher, Peter Bagge, Gérard Lauzier. The first two especially are masters of "everyday" speech; they're dialogue certainly sounds more credible than most of the stuff on TV.
― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 08:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Wednesday, 17 March 2004 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)
Realism: John Wagner. Anybody can make rogue CIA agents etc 'realistic' - make a man with two giant shoulderpads and a bike with aircraft tyres into a gritty police procedural, then swap back to outright lunacy whenever it suits and have the whole thing hold internal integrity from week to week... well, Wagner's so great it's not even funny.
― Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 17 March 2004 23:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 18 March 2004 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)
By GOLLY! Typing that scintillating sense-shattering sentence WITHOUT any of the above was... AGAINST NATURE ITSELF!
I reckon the following things:
a) "normal" speech sounds daft in non-normal type situations e.g. in Alias everything's fine until Luke Cage turns up, and suddenly the LACK of him saying "Christmas!" seems stupid.b) it'd be annoying anyway if everyone went around going "er... um... dunno, what eh?" all the time. The typefaces would need to be TINY to get it all in!c) we don't expect characters in novels to speak in "normal" English - in modern novels people still go on and on for paragraphs at a time without stopping to look at GURLS or the telly and forgetting what they were on about.d) and when people in novels DO talk in "normal" its usually for comedic effect anyway, isn't it?
― MJ Hibbett, Thursday, 18 March 2004 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 18 March 2004 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 4 September 2004 11:59 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 4 September 2004 13:05 (twenty-one years ago)
― Wooden (Wooden), Saturday, 4 September 2004 13:17 (twenty-one years ago)
― Wooden (Wooden), Saturday, 4 September 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:00 (twenty-one years ago)
(There would be no more classes after the first one.)
― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)
Dialogue should have alliteration. It makes everything better.
― Vic Fluro, Saturday, 4 September 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 4 September 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)
― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Sunday, 23 October 2005 23:25 (twenty years ago)
― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)
Rucka and Brubaker do it a lot, though they handle the transition well, I think. Still, I don't know what they hope to accomplish from it -- there's not a lot of benefit that I can see, especially for the number of times it gets used.
The worst example I've come across was a cut that started in the middle of a WORD.
― Leeeeeeeeee (Leee), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)
I am about done with a page (or two!) laid out as a grid of different people responding to the same question.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 24 October 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)
― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Monday, 24 October 2005 01:05 (twenty years ago)
― kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)
AKA The "Powers" thing.
― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 24 October 2005 03:36 (twenty years ago)
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 24 October 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)
(irrelevant to martin's point it starred a v.young pre-fame LIZ HURLEY as a LESBIAN SCHOOLGIRL)
(sistrah becky noticed this: i have poor hurley-antenna)
― mark s (mark s), Monday, 24 October 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 24 October 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)
Yeah, at the same time that Rucka's Batman was being gorgeously distilled by Martinbrough in Detective, Brubaker's was being cartoonified TO THE MAXXXXXXXXXX by Scott McDaniels, whose tenure (I think he's on Robin now, after stints on every other Bat-Book) continues to boggle me, in Batman. But it seemed like a rare moment of overall high-quality among the Bat-Books (in the bundle, there's also a really, really excellent issue of "Harley Quinn").
― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 24 October 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 October 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)
― barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Thursday, 13 July 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)
― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 13 July 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)