The methodology is very similar to that of the ILC BEST COMICS ... EVER poll, run by Tommmmmm Eewwwwwwwwing, which was actually eerily reminiscent of the ILM 1990s poll, run by the mighty Stevem.
How the hey does this work?
You nominate up to 4 comics. I compile a list of all the nominations. You then vote on the nominations. The number of votes you get, the scoring system, and the number of comics in the final poll will depend entirely on the number of nominations we get.
What do I mean by 'comics'?
Whatever you want me to mean. A single story - a collection - a storyline or run on an ongoing series - a newspaper strip - an anthology title or story in one - a series in its entirety - you decide, Effendi!
Don't nominate the exact same thing someone else has nominated - an issue or story within an already-nominated run is fine though. You will be allowed a short grace period for nomination changes after the original nominations close but don't clog up the thread with them in case I don't notice.
The only other thing I would ask is that if you're nominating a storyline or run on a serially published comic you specify issue numbers if possible, and that you tell me the writer and artist(s) if you know them/her/him/it.
When's the deadline?
Deadine for nominations is now set (tentatively) for FEBRUARY 13th, 2005. This might be a little early to start, as there are lots of worthy nominees that have yet to see print as TPBs, which will undoubtedly hurt these books' chances, so if you know of anything that might be overlooked, speak now!
But how will I know what came out in 2004?
This thread (ILC Best of 2004 Prep Thread) is a good place to start. Here are some links to other best-of lists & year-end wrap-ups: Time Magazine, Comic Book Galaxy, Web Comics Review (webcomics only), iComics, and Heidi McDonald's The Beat. If anyone else knows of other places to look, feel free to post links.
This post will be updated periodically with important information and sundry bits of hoohah.
NOW ... IMPERIOUS REX SMASH FOR ASGARD!!!
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 02:21 (twenty years ago)
I will be nominating and voting tho.
― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 08:17 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)
DC: The New Frontier by Darwyn Cooke with Dave Stewart (DC)She-Hulk by Dan Slott and some other guys (Marvel)Green Arrow #33 by Scott Beatty , Shawn Martinbrough & Mark McKenna (it's a fun fill-in issue where GA finds that his old Arrowcar is up for auction on DCBay) (DC)the Flash #214 by Geoff Johns, Howard Porter & Livesay (it's the Identity Crisis tie-in where Wally West learns that Barry Allen had ANOTHER secret, and probably the best single Identity Crisis issue, tie-in or otherwise, edging Wally West closer to his new role as the moral conscience of the DCU) (DC)
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)
MY FAITH IN FRANKIE (Carey)FABLES (WILLINGHAM)
And save my other two noms for later. In the meantime, someone please nominate Seaguy, We3 (#1 & 2, I guess), and Astonishing X-Men kthxbye.
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)
seaguymarc bell's worn tuff elbowjames sturm's above and belowdoonesbury, the bd stuff esp.
― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)
― jel -- (jel), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)
― ng, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)
― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)
― blount, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 20:58 (twenty years ago)
Like the one I hem and haw over is the single volume collection of Bone. For me, reading it in one volume -- cheap enough that I could afford it much more readily than the other volumes purchased individually -- over the course of a week was a hugely different experience than reading the issues over the course of however many years they'd come out. But I don't know if that's universally true, or relevant enough that it should be in the running.
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)
The Ultimate Carnage arc of Ultimate Spider-Man.
And Oeming's Thor, which ILC hasn't talked about much, so nominating it is an easy way for me to say "go check it out."
― Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)
If Peanuts gets scratched, my other vote would go to the last issue (#5?) of "Forlorn Funnies." Next to John Pham, it's the best Chris Ware swipe ever.
― ng, Tuesday, 4 January 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)
If it works for y'all, it works for me. Which means Peanuts is most definitely up for dibsies.
I'd do two nominees now, & two later, but I want y'all to pick the two I'd nominate now & force me to spelunk for other worthy candidates.
Effing heck, I totally forgot that James Strum thing came out. "Forgot" = "I need to buy it". DAMN YOU BENDIS!
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 07:11 (twenty years ago)
Didn't this come out in 2003? I know the trade was this year.
Anyway, my noms:
Cerebus: The Last Day (yes, I know 3/4 of this was published in 2003, but I'm guessing - judging by sales figures - a significant chunk of people read Cerebus at 'trade only' level)
Mary Jane
Eightball: The Death Ray
Frank Ironwine
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)
(Leee, read the Q&C novel, aren't you on winter break now or something?)
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 16:31 (twenty years ago)
"Imagery in Multimedia Narratives", perhaps?
― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 5 January 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)
I need to see if Fantastic Four: Unstable Molecules (written by James Sturm) qualifies as 2K4 compliant - it was first released in 2003, but might've been collected this year. If that's the case, it's going on the list!
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)
― ng, Thursday, 6 January 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)
Dave -- do you mean your #2 is Carnet de Voyage? Esp. compared to that big book he did, it felt a little inconsequential even if it was entertaining.
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 6 January 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)
― kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)
Kit knows where I'm coming from. Yeah, compared to Blankets, it's "inconsequential" - it's a sketch book, for one! But where Blankets was cloying & precious, Carnet was crude & coarse (in a precious way), which I liked. Also, drawrings of foreign places >= drawrings of America (sez the homebody).
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)
Is Melissa a portfolio, or a book / story type thing? If it's the former, I'm afraid it might not qualify because of the lack of narrative sequence in its graphics. (Unless you folks think otherwise...?)
Jordan, to answer your NXM question waaaaaaaaaay up there, Morrison's run did end this year. I mean last year. I mean you know what I mean.
I might nominate Identity Crisis just to see how many votes it won't get.
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:40 (twenty years ago)
Links to info on these things forthcoming. Lemme know if I made any mistakes.
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:57 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:59 (twenty years ago)
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Friday, 7 January 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)
― Mark C (Markco), Friday, 7 January 2005 09:51 (twenty years ago)
In the Shadow of No Towers by Art SpiegelmanCavalcade of Boys #6 by Tim Fish
Also, a good place to find out what came out in 2004 in alt/ug/art comics land is here: TCJ -Best of 2004.
― RR (restandrec), Friday, 7 January 2005 10:01 (twenty years ago)
― Chrchuckis Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 7 January 2005 11:25 (twenty years ago)
Wishing I had used one of my nominations on Kramer's Ergot #5 right now. :(
― ng, Friday, 7 January 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)
― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 7 January 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 7 January 2005 18:00 (twenty years ago)
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 8 January 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Saturday, 8 January 2005 04:47 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 8 January 2005 06:21 (twenty years ago)
The Destructovore (Ewing/Traquino) which you can find in the most recent issue of a comic called SOLAR WIND.
Runaways (Vaughan/Somebody) - whichever issues came out this year.
I'll withold other noms until I remember what I read this year.
― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 8 January 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)
I'd like to instead nominate (I'm resisting the Essentials, as they are material that has mostly been fairly available anyway):Phoenix by Osamu Tezukawhatever Krazy Kat volumes came out in 2004Samurai Executioner by Koike & KojimaWe3
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 8 January 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)
I guess I'll pick up Martin's slack and nominate Daredevil and Astonishing X-Men with my other two nominations.
― Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 10 January 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)
IN: Adam StrangeOUT: Mary Jane
Anybody want to pick that up as a nomination?
― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Monday, 10 January 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)
I be nominating:
Fantastic Four, by Mark Waid and variousIn The Shadow Of No Towers by Art SpiegelmanSavage Dragon by Eril LarsenWhatever Astro City one-shots came out, written by Kurt Busiek
Mind, I'm reserving my number one vote for DC: The New Frontier, but that's already been nominated.
David
― David Simpson (David Simpson), Monday, 10 January 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 January 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)
Yeah, I opened up a bit of a Pandora's Box w/ this, but I'll stand by my initial decision (which is to go w/ the reasoning Tep offered:
I think the best reason to nominate/vote for a reprint/collection is if there's a strong possibility that 2004 is the first time many readers had been exposed to it. Let's say Watchmen, improbably, hadn't been collected until now -- or the pre-Golden Age Miracleman/Marvelman comics had finally been collected here. Those would make sense in a way that "the 17th printing of The Dark Knight Returns" wouldn't.
Locas seems to be in the same boat as the Bone book, and if the Bone is up for dibs, then so is Locas. Also, Andrew, this is just the nomination stage - if you don't think this is worth a vote because of eligibility issues, then don't vote for it.
Also, what say you folks to fudging things a bit so stories that began last year but didn't finish until this year (cf. We3, GM's JLA:C arc) are considered in their entirety if the lion's share of the story (more than 50% of it) has been nominated AND it's concluding prior to the nomination deadline?
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)
Will your fudge be retro-active, or even applied to the future? IE will We3 be nominable for 2004 and 2005? Or would it make more sense for it just to be "those issue of (series) that came out in the relevant year"?
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 28 January 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)
So, in conclusion, fudge is retro-active, and may contain almonds.
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Friday, 28 January 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Friday, 28 January 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Friday, 28 January 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Friday, 28 January 2005 18:15 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 28 January 2005 18:18 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 28 January 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Friday, 28 January 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)
What about.... (I am just picking holes here) a series which publishes four issues out of nine this year, but next year it gets shortened to six?
Or what I suspect will be a quite pertinent question next year: what about Seven Soldiers of Destiny? (obviously the answer to this is "ask next year")
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 29 January 2005 00:01 (twenty years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 29 January 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)
― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 29 January 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Saturday, 29 January 2005 09:52 (twenty years ago)
It was all worth it for the Pol Manning joke though.
― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 29 January 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 7 February 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Monday, 7 February 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)
- Wonder Woman (Rucka / Johnson)- the issue of Berlin that came out last year (if it did - must factcheck) (Lutes)
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)
- The Perry Bible Fellowship (Nicholas Gurewitch) - IDENTITY CRISIS OH NO (Meltzer / Morales / Bair)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)
― Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)
"A single story - a collection - a storyline or run on an ongoing series - a newspaper strip - an anthology title or story in one - a series in its entirety - you decide, Effendi!"
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 11 February 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 11 February 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 17 February 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)
― Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 18 February 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)
(Sorry about this, BTW.)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)
― Tom (Groke), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)
― Pete (Pete), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Friday, 20 May 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)
― Huk-L, Friday, 20 May 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 20 May 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Saturday, 21 May 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)
― j blount (papa la bas), Saturday, 21 May 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 21 May 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 21 May 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Saturday, 21 May 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)
― Leeeeee (Leee), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:28 (nineteen years ago)
― Leeeeee (Leee), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago)
― Leeeeee (Leee), Saturday, 4 June 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago)
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Sunday, 5 June 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago)
― Leeeeee (Leee), Sunday, 5 June 2005 00:59 (nineteen years ago)