Is Superman A Good Writer?

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Does his Super-ness extend to journalism? If so, does he tone down his natural greatness to remain nondescript as Clark Kent?

Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

But Kent's an award-winning journalist! You don't get Pulitzers by toning it down.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

But, yeah, that's an interesting question - I think Waid's Birthright series portrayed CK as a Scud-stut-with-chops type of journo, but before that, he seemed totally square in his fedora & specs & button-down business blues (esp. during the Bates / Swan days). The type of guy that Woodward & Bernstein would run over while going to meet w/ Deep Throat. Though, actually, he was a news ANCHOR during the Bates / Swan days, wasn't he? (Was Cary Bates writing Superman @ the time?)

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Seinfeld to thread.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

What's up w/ that?

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

He's written a novel, Under A Yellow Sun. I haven't read it, though.

Huk-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

He doesn't have to be a particularly fearless or intrepid journalist given that he has super-hearing!

Tom (Groke), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

Courage.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 17:49 (twenty years ago)

There was a weird thing in the President Lex collection where Superman and Lois were having an argument about how it wouldn't be fair to bring down Luthor in print using what they know because of Superman.
I think basically it boiled down to Clark Kent valuing his secret identity over journalist integrity and NATIONAL SECURITY!

Huk-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 17:50 (twenty years ago)

http://superman.ws/fos/moreimages/hotlead.gif

(hmmm, I totally recommend img ggl for " 'clark kent' newspaper"--it's sfw, too)

Huk-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

I don't know who was writing, but yeah, in the days before the Crisis/Byrne reboot, Clark Kent was a WGBS anchor (and had been, at least intermittently, for some years iirc) -- that was sort of the super-mullet of its day, a change that seemed more modern. And it actually kind of made sense -- Kent's pretty well-suited to being an anchor, and the main reason to keep him a print journalist is to keep him consistent with the Clark Kent of the various other-media adaptations that DC always hopes will bring new people to the comics.

My impression of Kent-as-writer has always been that he's good at getting news and has -- or at least has developed -- the kind of concise, to-the-point writing that emphasizes facts and content over style; he writes just enough to get the information across, but he's not the kind of journalist who'd move on to writing those lightweight human-interest-type nonfiction books, or a syndicated opinion column, or covering a beat where impressions are as important as verifiable facts. The hardest part of his job is probably figuring out how to prove and provide sources for things he knows as Superman -- he's like a Columbo viewer, starting out knowing who the murderer is and having to figure out how to prove it.

The novel he writes in Under a Yellow Sun kind of reinforces this -- it was a lame men's adventure type thing that was a thinly disguised account of his Superman escapades, if I remember right, not exactly evidence of any genuine talent.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Not that reality should have any bearing on Superman comics, but the working as a print reporter suits Kent's Superman needs a lot better than the TV anchor did. A TV anchor is just that, locked in to one physical location and needs to be in that one spot at very specific times throughout the day.
As a print journlist, Kent has the cover for his Superman activities that he was out chasing a lead, because as long as you have your copy by whatever time the desk needs it, nobody really cares--though most city editors like to know exactly where their reporters are at every minute of their shifts. If Kent's secret was ever revealed, he'd probably be fired for spending so much time as Superman while on the Daily Planet clock. And then he'd be hired back, at the insistence of the marketing/circulation dept.

Huk-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, that's true -- he seems to manage to stay in a position where as long as he produces content on a regular basis, no one cares where he is or what he's doing (well, and he's occasionally assigned specific stories to cover, but only when it's necessary for the writer's story). Tradition keeps him from being a Peter Parker style freelancer, I guess.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

Under A Yellow SUn is surely the most secret-identity-giving-away novel title of all time. And the worst by all other standards.

Vic Fluro, Friday, 4 March 2005 18:23 (twenty years ago)

Does Superman lose his powers at sunset when the Sun appears red?

Huk-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

No, but I think Supes gets a rash from mohair sweaters.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Metropolis will be mine!

Mohair Man-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Seinfeld to thread.
-- Jordan (jordan...), March 4th, 2005.


What's up w/ that?
-- David R. (quoteidio...), March 4th, 2005.

It reminds me of the bit in Seinfeld where Jerry and George are arguing over whether Superman is funny or not. "If all his abilities are super as a result of the Earth's yellow sun, then it follows that he has super humor, right?" "Eh, I've never seen him be funny." Etc.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 4 March 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

He must also have super farts, by that logic.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 4 March 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Not if he has super-digestion!

Huk-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Praise be that the recent ex-writer of Action Comics never got to explore the wonder of SUPER-URINE.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

But, y'know, "seriously", maybe Kryptonians don't need to go boom-boom or wee-wee.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)

Does Superman even need to eat? Isn't he photosynthetic and eats simply to maintain the illusion of earthmanliness?

Huk-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

Maybe he has to eat lots, like the Flash, and uses his super-speed to swipe peoples' leftovers and stuff.

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

Does the Flash still need to do that?
I thought that was one of the best things of the early part of his series. If only I had some sort of CD or something with a couple hundred issues of the Flash. Sigh.

Huk-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

You know, Superman could probably go through a Swamp Thing-esque reinvention where EVERYTHING YOU KNEW ABOUT HIM WAS WRONG! Like he does "human" things like grow a beard and hair because it was learned behavior picked up from being reared by & raised around humans, & he subconsciously limits his "strength" & "powers" because of the same. Maybe Kryptonians are actually from the same evolutionary tree as Durlans & they're actually mesomorphic metamorphs that assume the form of whatever race they encounter. Maybe I'm taking that W3!nb3rg Summers Bro hypothesis to heart more than is recommended.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

What was the deal with the Electric Supes? Was that just the best way they could get rid of the mullett?

Huk-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:11 (twenty years ago)

Dude's hair is tough to cut.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Hm, Wally might get his nutrients from the Speed Force now, I guess.

Superman:Alec Holland::Krypton boom:laboratory boom -- destroyed in fire, reborn in muck, enormous powers powered in part by the sun ==> Superman is the "Earth" Elemental of Krypton!

(I have always wanted to become Powerful Famous Author who could write this for DC.)

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

Didn't Alan Moore write the issue of DC Comics Presents w/ Supes & Swamp Thing? I wonder if those parallels were touched upon there...

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

Is Superman a better writer than Alan Moore?

Huk-L, Friday, 4 March 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

can we talk about superman and condoms?

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

I remember being disappointed, later, by how un-novel Superman was in Moore's DCP -- like, I guess I wanted to have felt, "Oh wow, it's Superman by ALAN MOORE and it's FABULOUS," but it was just a decent story. Ah well.

What about Superman and condoms? Kryptonite condoms and Niven?

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

would they work for him? or would his super-sperm burrow through? i think about this a lot! he must be super-fertile so it's no sex for supes! unless i suppose lois is on the pill or they use the rhythm method. but even so the sperm, being super, would probably hang around until the next cycle!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:17 (twenty years ago)

Clark Kent writes SUPER WATCHMEN!! "It's a dark, realistic take on what would REALLY happen if a white woman used a plastimold machine to become black."

Vic Fluro, Friday, 4 March 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

I don't think Supes has the equipment! Ho ho ho!

BTW, if I'm inadvertently stealing this schtick from Rick Veitch, I apologize.

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:34 (twenty years ago)

Just in case you haven't read it -- Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex, which suggests normal condoms wouldn't work because of the Kryptonian force which would shoot through them and shred Lois, Lana, Lori, or Lindsay like musky buckshot through warm papier-mache.

But for all we know Kryptonians don't even have sperm! Surely Luthor would have collected some by now, otherwise. Just because he doesn't want to reveal Superman's identity doesn't mean he doesn't want to raise a Superboy that doesn't need to be cloned. (And if he could prove that an Earth woman couldn't carry a Supermanspawn to term, he could use that to make Clark and Lois feel like shit.)

Tep (ktepi), Friday, 4 March 2005 23:38 (twenty years ago)

David, re other powers, Superman was able to change shape. In the early days they seemed to just make up whatever powers they felt like for any story. I've read one where he has telekinetic powers too.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 5 March 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

Nice!

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 5 March 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

I do like the idea that everyone just accepts that he & Peter Parker have some kind of "in" they're not willing to talk about with Superman and Spider-Man, respectively... actually that makes me want to start a new thread...

Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 5 March 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

A journalist's relationship w/ his sources is SACRED, d00d.

Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 5 March 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

And it's mainly Lois who gets all the Superscoops, though it's usually Clark who says "I'll get a message to him."

Huk-L, Monday, 7 March 2005 05:55 (twenty years ago)

eight months pass...
The All-Star version of Clark Kent must be an awesome writer if he's so damn clumsy.

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

it's a golden age superman idea turned up a notch, ain't it?

see also "you've manifested at least one new power" heh

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

immediately after posting that i wished i'd called it a golden age supesism, for some reason

tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 30 November 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

four years pass...

Charles Kuralt or Clark Kent? Better yet Super-Studs Turkel!
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2010/06/23/dc-comics-presents-“superman-across-america”/

I dunno, this taking the pulse of America feels a little (as I've twittered) Glenn Beck-y red state pandering, but there's also some of that good old Bill Bixby 70s Hulk tv series (which, describing it to my 18-month old daughter, I realized is the Bizarro version of Highway to Heaven) potential.
But the premise seems to forget that as a newspaper reporter, Superman has access to America and Americans like few others.
Also, have never read any Straczynski, nor have I ever seen Babylon 5 (though I did watch Harry & the Hendersons twice), but based on the "essays" JMS has written about Superman on the DCU blog, this could get ugly.

Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Thursday, 24 June 2010 02:51 (fifteen years ago)

favourite DCU blog comment so far: I really hope this doesn’t become an international thing. Are all you fans who live in other countries going to bitch and moan about this all year? or are you just going to go for the ride?

Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Thursday, 24 June 2010 02:54 (fifteen years ago)

Studs Terkel could take JMS' version of Superman in a fair fight.

Matt M., Thursday, 24 June 2010 18:33 (fifteen years ago)

I liked JMS' Thor, but nothing else by him.

Grisly Addams (WmC), Thursday, 24 June 2010 19:03 (fifteen years ago)

But could Studs Terkel lift the Mighty Mjolnir?

Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Thursday, 24 June 2010 21:17 (fifteen years ago)

Yes. I have no doubt of this.

Matt M., Friday, 25 June 2010 00:27 (fifteen years ago)

Have you seen/do you recommend the recent Pekar-led graphic adaptation of Working? I'm mostly of the opinion that I'm better off not compromising my enjoyment of the original, but frequently tempted.

Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Friday, 25 June 2010 00:59 (fifteen years ago)

Haven't seen it to make a recommendation. I bet I'd like it better than what JMS has in store for us, though.

Matt M., Friday, 25 June 2010 03:14 (fifteen years ago)

It has still has to be better than the Nu-Krypton tripe that completely derailed the Supes books for a couple of years.

JMS has already taken Superman in the dark 'new reality' kind of way with the Squadron Supreme books he did, so that probably won't be on the table. I love Superman and I kind of liked his Thor run, even though the thing moved along at the speed of paint drying, so I am kind of conflicted. JMS seems to have big issues on the follow through. His Spider-man run at first was pretty good then turned to nightmare (most probably corp delivered). Supreme has a great start, but then he bailed. Haven't read it but The Twelve is unfinished. I dunno...not a good track record with follow through as a comic writer, but admittably I haven't read anything including that one project he did with Gary Frank. I figured there will be a bunch of scenes with Superman enjoying eating pie or drinking strong coffee but not "SUPER HERO ACTION M_FER 101".

earlnash, Sunday, 27 June 2010 05:10 (fifteen years ago)

I read his 'Rising Stars', which had a great, intriguing start, and then got slower and slower and with bigger gaps between issues and then had a really crappy, half-hearted ending. That and what I've heard of his other work has decided me on never reading anything else by him.

Attention please, a child has been lost in the tunnel of goats. (James Morrison), Sunday, 27 June 2010 23:58 (fifteen years ago)

That's more or less what happened with Supreme Power, too. I don't know how much to blame him with his Amazing Spider-Man run, since there was clearly a lot of heavy editorial interference and forced crossover injection in the second half, though he probably deserves his share of blame for Sins Past and The Other. It's a bad risk to ever read an incomplete JMS series.

Nhex, Monday, 28 June 2010 00:05 (fifteen years ago)

four months pass...

Hey, if you want to relaunch Superman for a new generation, maybe ripping off the first page of Batman: Year One on your first page isn't such a great idea.

Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Tuesday, 2 November 2010 22:43 (fourteen years ago)

Am I really the only who read this? Sheeee-it. I think I'm going to make a kickstarter page to raise bucks to hire Neal Adams to follow his Batman dodecalogue with a Superman version, because if you're going to do an off-book Superman, do an off-book Superman, YOU KNOW.

Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Sunday, 7 November 2010 23:07 (fourteen years ago)

Funding will be contingent, though, on Neal Adams aping Superman: Earth One's climax of having Supes fight a Space Juggalo.

Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Sunday, 7 November 2010 23:09 (fourteen years ago)

I can go for this idea - with any luck Supes will get a skateboard to go with his new hoodie.

R Baez, Sunday, 7 November 2010 23:45 (fourteen years ago)

Is Skate Man beating up union dockworkers?

Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 8 November 2010 02:25 (fourteen years ago)

Now there's an idea - a Supes reboot that'll be a screed against organized labor. "The American people can be sure that my cape is the only thing that's red about me."

R Baez, Monday, 8 November 2010 03:05 (fourteen years ago)


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