Talk about Doctor Doom.
― jel -- (jel), Sunday, 13 March 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)
― Vic Fluro, Sunday, 13 March 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)
I also liked the story where in an unlikely sequence of events Reed Richards was trapped in the armour of Dr Doom and started kind of turning into him.
― DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 13 March 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)
DD's personality is pretty simple: he is very intelligent (by super-villain standards anyway) and extremely arrogant. He's also extremely European, despite his education - if you can read Doom as American then the writer's getting something wrong (or it's a DOOMBOT!). He's kind of an agglomeration of Old Europe stereotypes - feudal, tyrannous, romantic, slightly mystical, overbearingly haughty, one foot deep in the past, un-knowable. There is therefore something a little ridiculous about him, just as there is something ridiculous (but recognisable) about the twisted Ruritania that Latveria is always written as.
(The actual set-up for Latveria is basically: what if Lichtenstein was ruled by a super-villain? On the few occasions you see maps it's absolutely tiny and seems to be in the armpit of Switzerland somewhere.)
― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 13 March 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)
in a 'new' avengers i read recently, bendis seemed to be writing doc d as some kind of international war crim - which, while not totally unlikely, did seem to be in slightly bad taste
― Andrew L (Andrew L), Sunday, 13 March 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)
― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 2 February 2006 06:55 (nineteen years ago)
Tom and DV both OTM in every word -- the I-am-become-Doom story is why I say I like Claremont's run on FF, and I was just thinking last night (while reading Wikipedia's entry on Jim Shooter) that Doom really rose above the rest of the cast in Secret Wars, while Magneto -- Marvel's hero/villain du jour -- was bland and tiresome.
(Shooter transfers the whole "he's a bad guy he's a villain but the world would be better off under his wing" business to Korvac in his Avengers run, so I think there's a personality type involved here that appealed to him as much as omnipotence did.)
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)
We've vilified Byrne before, I think, for "revealing" that Doom's disfigurement was nothing but a minor facial scar, the real wound being to his vanity et cetera ad byrneum.
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 February 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)
― Ward Fowler (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 2 February 2006 22:52 (nineteen years ago)
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:00 (nineteen years ago)
I mean, there's a ton foreshadowed about the character just in the name -- which would probably have been something like "Daniel Doom" if Stan hadn't made him European, or "Alexei Doom" if he hadn't had a thing for alliteration, and both of those are terrible.
― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 2 February 2006 23:05 (nineteen years ago)
I wasn't aware of that! I have a very vivid memory of a Byrne panel in which Sue is looking at Doom's bare face with a 'Dear lord! He's hideous!' type thought balloon, but it may be false.
― chap who would dare to no longer work for the man (chap), Friday, 3 February 2006 00:44 (nineteen years ago)
Byrne tried to give arch-nemesis Doctor Doom a more consistent characterization. For example. Lee and Kirby disagreed about the extent to which Doom's unmasked face was disfigured. Lee thought Doom had horrible scars but Kirby felt it was only a minor scar. Byrne resolved these viewpoints by revealing that Doom originally had a small scar but put on an iron mask while red hot, causing horrific disfiguration. Also, Byrne felt that Doom's guest appearances in other books was mischaracterized (such as in Chris Claremont's X-Men) so robot doubles of Doom were revealed to have appeared in those instances instead.
(Other google hits make it sound like Byrne's solution wasn't just a matter of marrying Stan and Jack but explaining references to this "small scar" as well as instances of people seeing Doom unmasked and being horrified.)
I had no idea Byrne started the Doombots.
― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:03 (nineteen years ago)
― chap who would dare to no longer work for the man (chap), Friday, 3 February 2006 01:08 (nineteen years ago)
― kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 3 February 2006 03:43 (nineteen years ago)
And I also liked that story in Iron Man #250 where Doom and Iron Man travel into the future. Doom meets his future self, now more machine than man and is so disturbed by this hideous sight that he blasts him into smithereens. Along the lines of...
Doom: 'Bah! I swear I will never become this mockery of a man!'
Future Doom: 'Yes... I remember saying those words, so long ago now...'
― Eyemelt (Eyemelt), Sunday, 12 November 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago)
http://i40.tinypic.com/2h2qqs2.png
― Princess TamTam, Sunday, 15 May 2011 12:52 (thirteen years ago)
Now that is a hot date
― mh, Monday, 16 May 2011 18:27 (thirteen years ago)
I always liked the idea that Doom's "hideous deformity" is in fact just a minor scar on one cheek, but he is so vain that he considers this blemish a ruination of his hitherto perfect visage.
― The New Dirty Vicar, Tuesday, 17 May 2011 17:01 (thirteen years ago)