Does anybody know or care about this Red Hood business in Batman?

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I guess they're revealing Red Hood's identity this week. After the non-climactic Hush, and its reverse-climactic follow-up, I'm amazed that Batfans are so eager to have their chains yanked in the exact same way so soon.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

I could give a squirt about who the Red Hood is, but the Winick / Mahnke / Nguyen Batstuff has been FUN! Esp. the Amazo fight!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Amazo???

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

Yes! Batdude and Nightwang v. AMAZO!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:14 (twenty-one years ago)

By the Mahnke/Nguyen machine even? Is there anyway I can grab these back issues without looking like a total knob?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Leave the Hawaiian shirt & the sock suspender / khaki short combo @ home, and you shouldn't have to worry about knobbage.

Watch out, though - the issue PRIOR TO the start of the Winick / Mahnke run features their names on the cover, but they're nowhere near the book. AVOID THAT ISSUE AT ALL COSTS. I bitched about it in a STW thread (Shipping This Week, that is).

The cover of the FIRST issue of the Winick / Mahnke run features the Bat tussling w/ the Red Hood on a rooftop against a lightning backdrop. Next issue's cover = Bat cowl knifed to wall, Black Mask holding gun. Next issue = Wang & Bat avoiding Amazo fist. And then you're caught up.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

So who's on the suspect list?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:34 (twenty-one years ago)

You guys should know better than to type the words "red hood" in a thread title when I'm nearby.

― The Ghost of CLITORIS *giggle* (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Suspect list for the Red Hood? Dunno - there really hasn't been that big a deal made re: the Hood's identity in the actual story (unless I haven't been reading well, which is entirely possible). The arc starts @ the end, w/ Batty chasing the Hood down, and the Hood unmasking. Of course, before the camera turns to reveal his identity, we go back to the beginning. Last I read, the Red Hood was talking to the Black Mask on a cellphone besides an open crate of Kryptonite. I guess the next issue is THE BIG REVEAL, but, really, I'm just looking forward to the mix of sci-fi-closetry and dark-knighthood. (Oh - there're also some shenanigans involving Mr. Freeze.)

Dan, care to flex your muscles re: THE BLACK MASK?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 14:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Newsarama thread fingers the Red Hood

(just for you Dan)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

(MAJOR SPOILERS, sorry)

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:03 (twenty-one years ago)

GREAT CAESAR'S GHOST!!!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

It's Hush, isn't it?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

This gives me hope that the Infinite Crisis is going to reset things back to 1991 or so, and all the stuff happening right now will be shortly jettisoned back to the ether. _____ ____ will still be dead, ___ ____ will still be alive, and I'll be 14 and have my whole life ahead of me.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:23 (twenty-one years ago)

OH NO IT'S JASON TODD!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

(I'm not peeking, BTW, until I read le book - if I'm actually right, pretend I'm not.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh now you're just being ridiculous Dave.

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:28 (twenty-one years ago)

NOW I'm being ridiculous? Tom, it's like you don't even know me!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, wait - the signal just reached my brane. I gotcha. I'm gonna go do ... some ... thing now.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Secret hope: the Red Hood is one of those Plutonian BatBots from GM's JL: Classified story. OR! The Red Hood IS Batman, and Batman IS a BatBot!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

The Red Hood is Bruce Wayne!

But then...who am I???

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Random Robin-as-playa panel:
http://www.comictreadmill.com/images/Grayson%20H.jpg

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Robin-as-playa panel comes up as INTERNAL SERVER ERROR = so fitting.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

GO AND READ THE COMIC

― Tom (Groke), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:53 (twenty-one years ago)

YES T'OM!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Now if only they can bring back Jim Aparo!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

http://home.vicnet.net.au/~dstudham/adv462.JPG

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:02 (twenty-one years ago)

The Red Hood is Bruce Wayne!

Nonono, the Red Hood is SCOTT SUMMERS!

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 30 March 2005 20:30 (twenty-one years ago)

I got 2 of the last three...the Amazo issue was sold out, oddly...but I don't think I missed much (aside from kick ass Bat-on-Amazo action)...but, um, good lord is the art amazing! The best I've seen from Mahnke & Nguyen, and that's saying something. I've never seen Batman's lips so...expressive.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 30 March 2005 22:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Just out of curiousity, how old is Jason Todd supposed to be, 15 or whatever years after he died - or maybe didn't, or whatever?

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:49 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.newsarama.com/DC/Countdown_more/Batman_Hello.htm

― Huk-L, Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Man, do I not have the patience to read all that. This is (mostly) why I stopped giving a shit about superheroes.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 31 March 2005 18:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, basically, all they say in that is "yes, this is Jason Todd, and guess what, you're gonna have to read every comic ever (even the Marvel ones) for the next 18 months to even begin to realize that we've been setting this up ever since Brave & Bold #14 where the Viking Prince and Enemy Ace teamed up for the first time."

― Huk-L, Thursday, 31 March 2005 19:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks.

So...how about that Tug and Buster, eh?

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 31 March 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that Cockney Rhyming Slang?

― Huk-L, Thursday, 31 March 2005 19:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not sure if that's a joke or not, but Tug and Buster was my favorite title about the time I stopped buying comics.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 31 March 2005 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Batman sees that Jason is RIGHT yes RIGHT especially about the killing and the maiming. "Why could I not be as dark as he???" screams Bruce in a frenzy of ANGST! "Know me no longer as Batman - now I am... DarkeBlayde!!!!!!"

― Vic Fluro, Thursday, 31 March 2005 19:35 (twenty-one years ago)

With holographic cover and greeting card chip that plays Europe's "The Final Countdown" everytime you turn the page.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 31 March 2005 19:40 (twenty-one years ago)

WHERE IS GREETINGS CARD CHIP COMIC I BUY

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 March 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

My only hope for Countdown is that DC has the gall to install one of those infernal greeting card devices that will play Europe when you open the cover.

-- Huk-L (handsomishbo...), February 23rd, 2005.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:08 (twenty-one years ago)

DOO-DOO DOOOO DOOO
DOO-DOO DOO-DOO-DOO

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 31 March 2005 20:15 (twenty-one years ago)

David, what did you mean by "the non-climatic" Hush? (I ask because I've just picked up the first half of the graphic novel - and as a side question, has ILC already collectively bitched abt this new (to me) DC trend of splitting mini-series into TWO graphic novels? I mean, what a con...)

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

As I understand it there's a big reveal at the end of Hush as to the identity of Hush - as you would expect. Except then in some other title they've been going "A-ha! It wasn't really him!" in 'time-honoured' this-sells-do-it-again fashion.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 31 March 2005 21:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Andrew, what do you mean by attributing Huk's words to me? ;)

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 1 April 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

It's gotta be just a clone or something, right?

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 1 April 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

Sorry David! Sorry Huk! Thank you Tom!

First instance of the old identity-reveal switcheroo = Green Goblin?? And first instance of dead character coming back as a clone = Gwen Stacey??? (if so, good old 'groundbreaking' Gerry Conway!)

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Friday, 1 April 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Gerry Conway is now a story producer on a Law & Order!

― huk-L, Friday, 1 April 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

I bought this! Entirely becuase of the 'It's YOOOOU!!' cover! Good work DC, a lesser marketing strategist might have chickened out and done a caption reading 'The SECRET revealed!' or just 'Red Hood Blah Part Eighty Of Ninety' in a serious-y font.

And it wasn't half bad, either, although the Joker's hem-hem 'death' was such a damp fart that he'll certainly be back the very next month.

― Vic Fluro, Friday, 1 April 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

DC Kills the Joker: "We hate money," says insider.

― Huk-L, Friday, 1 April 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

FOUR JOKERS TO ARRIVE IN DCU - "My favourite is the half-robot one" says Rucka

― Vic Fluro, Friday, 1 April 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

this all sounds so incredibly daft; i mean, jason todd?? that's the one where they did a 1-800 hotline to kill him off, right?

― dave k, Monday, 4 April 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Yup. The one about whom then-editor Denny O'Neill said something like "It would be really dirty pool to bring him back."
Of course that was, what? 16 yrs ago.

― Huk-L, Monday, 4 April 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Inevitable remix (by the cover, at least, it seems this guy is back en forme): http://www.popcultureshock.com/viewer.php?type=features&id=930&p=1

― Huk-L, Tuesday, 5 April 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Wow, it's kinda amazing how all the DC Comics right now are fighting to outsuck each other. (Except for Waid's Legion, of course. But that's mercifully outside of mainstream DC continuity.)

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

No, this one was actually good! Batman has got so up his own arse that something transparently stupid such as Jason Todd dicking about with a load of multi-coloured kryptonite is exactly what the franchise needs!

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:39 (twenty years ago)

Also Marvel is merely biding its time in the awful stakes before House Of M gets going - four months of in-continuity What If action, oh "good".

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but Marvel has gotten to the point that their continuity is almost non-existent, which is a good thing. I could happily only read Daredevil and Astonishing X-Men, and any bullshit going on elsewhere is easily ignored and easily retconned or ignored. I'm just waiting for someone to go "oh, Warren Worthington never had healing blood, he just ate some bad fish" and move right along.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

"easily retconned or reversed," that is.

I guarantee you that a big name writer could take over the X-Men and say "um, I want to pretend that Excalibur series never happened, can you retcon that and bring me back to post-Planet X status quo re: Magneto?" and they'd be all "hey sure."

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 20:47 (twenty years ago)

four months pass...

THIS IS NOW THE THREAD WHERE WE TALK ABOUT ONGOING BATMAN COMICS STUFF.

So I just read the online preview (at buzzscope.com) of the next ish of Birds of Prey, and Dr. Mid-Nite is prepping Barbara Gordon for surgery (she got the cyber-clap, I guess), and Superman is couriering GIANT ROBOT medical supplies, and Mid-Nite (or is it Midnight?) narrating "Someone is sure spending a fortune on this librarian. I have my suspicions." And over his shoulder (the one with the owl perched on it) we see a caped and cowled figure watching from a nearby rooftop.
Cut to hospital type bed, where JAMES GORDON, former Commissioner of Police for GOTHAM CITY and Bat-Signal Operator, is hugging his daughter, one Barbara Gordon.
"I have my suspicions," in-fucking-deed.
Is Dr. Mid-Nite the stupidest fucking twat to over become a blind surgeon or what?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 11 August 2005 18:04 (twenty years ago)

*giggle* CLITORIS! *giggle*

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 11 August 2005 18:08 (twenty years ago)

Babs got infected by BRAINIAC. She is ... BECOMING. (Kinda like that chick in Superman III, but hotter.)

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 11 August 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

OMACle?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 11 August 2005 18:33 (twenty years ago)

OMACLITORIS

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 11 August 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B0007O25O8.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 11 August 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00024H0XE.02._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 11 August 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

I read the last few posts since Huk restarted this several times over and I still don't get it.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 12 August 2005 16:08 (twenty years ago)

What do you want to know?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 16:40 (twenty years ago)

CLI- no, the magic's gone.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 12 August 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

Well, I'm mostly confused on the connection between the word clitoris, Barbara Gordon, and OMAC.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 12 August 2005 18:22 (twenty years ago)

Well...you see, the clitoris is "protected" by a hood, which can often appear red during arousal. OMACs (in their current incarnation) are sort of dormant androids within regular people. Barbara Gordon appears to fighting some sort of computer virus within her own body. Barbara Gordon is also known (to some) as Oracle. So, Oracle --> OMACle --> OMACLITORIS.

A perfect example of the rule of three in comedy.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

Ah ha, I at least get the "red hood" part now.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Friday, 12 August 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

LESLIE TOMPKINS IS A KILLA? From a bulletin board at that site about the guy that likes Eminem:

"Leslie Thompkins, a doctor I am led to believe, apparently deliberately let someone called Spoiler die when she could have saved them, to teach Batman a lesson."

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Is this part of some "FU, Brubaker" campaign? I'm waiting for Holly (from Catwoman) to get TINY FOOTPRINTS. On her RED HOOD.

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT THE STINK FROM WAR GAMES COULDN'T GET ANY WORSE!

Not only is she a killa, but there's this really, really ugly scene at the end of the new Batman where Batman confronts and lays his big daddy trip on her groovy little head, and it's the worst fucking thing I've ever read (almost not hyperbole), and it's written by Bill Willingham, even though I thought the entire War Crimes saga was written by the Batgirl writer. The issue has the feel of a big editorial fisting.
It only reinforces my theory that there's going to be a big reboot after Infant Crisis, so they're just fucking around with everything right now because they know it doesn't "count".

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh oh. Maybe L/T is the new Parallax?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

She's Power Girl's real mom!

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Is Spoiler's kid a boy or or a (power) girl?

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Willingham on War Crimes:

Yes, deliberately withholding treatment, except in the context of a legitimate triage decision, is quite the unequivocal violation of the Hippocratic oath. In a court of law one could reasonably expect to be found guilty of murder.
Seems like Leslie snapped. Seems like Batman doesn't like her much anymore (though he still couldn't bring himself to be the one who brought her in).
After this issue came out, I took a rare tour of other message boards to try to gauge what the general reaction might be. As expected, it was overwhelmingly negative, with lots of "how dare Willingham do this!" What I didn't expect is how much message traffic this book would generate. Message boards that might have one or two regulars post every few days, or so, suddenly exploded with five and six pages of new messages per day.
Here's something you readers need to realize: Though we generally hope readers will like our stories, hating them is almost as good. Hating them so much that yours is the one book everyone is talking about now -- well that's golden. One can't hate without passion and involvement. The one reaction we most fear is indifference.
Yes, I'm a little put out by the (at least three and counting) reputedly male readers who posted testimony that they wept after reading this issue (one claiming it was for the loss of innocence). Not that I believe they actually did. But I'm still from an early enough #### generation to find men claiming to act like overly dramatic little girls just a little bit cringe-making.
And of course there were scores of those claiming that this incident was the last straw and they're giving up my books, or the Bat books, or all comic books, forever. Here's a splash of water for everyone who ever has or ever will make such an hysterical claim on a message board: We never believe you. If you're the type to indulge in "how dare they do that!" we know you'll always be back for further outrages. Those addicted to indignation need constant indignation feeding.
But, that aside, all is good. Feel free to blame me for ruining Batman. I could claim that editorial mandates were in force here and thereby split the blame a bit, but I think this time I won't. I willingly took the job, and I'm too greedy to want to share the credit this time.

How do you like them apples?"

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 29 August 2005 17:37 (twenty years ago)

That is maybe the best creator reaction I've ever read. Also this paragraph is hilarious:

Yes, I'm a little put out by the (at least three and counting) reputedly male readers who posted testimony that they wept after reading this issue (one claiming it was for the loss of innocence). Not that I believe they actually did. But I'm still from an early enough #### generation to find men claiming to act like overly dramatic little girls just a little bit cringe-making.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 29 August 2005 17:47 (twenty years ago)

Innocence -- dying!! Tears -- welling!! Got to -- hold on!!

― Vic Fluro, Monday, 29 August 2005 18:03 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

Revive thread so that DaveR can learn about WAR CRIMES and I can reiterate:
It only reinforces my theory that there's going to be a big reboot after Infant Crisis, so they're just fucking around with everything right now because they know it doesn't "count".

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

four years pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRxjgKLFbQ8&feature=player_embedded

― Well, because whatever happened changed him. (Dr. Superman), Tuesday, 3 August 2010 15:22 (fifteen years ago)

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