Whose hype did you buy into?

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(Obviously, said creator did not live up to the acclaim)

Gaiman (sorry VG!)
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Vitamin Leee (Leee), Thursday, 1 April 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I never entirely bought into Mark Waid, but I kept giving him more chances.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 2 April 2004 10:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Bruce Jones (the current Incredible Hulk writer) - early on, he was worthy of the hype, even if he was simply riffing on the 70s TV "loner" version. But after 30+ issues of fluffed-up storylines vaguely pushing the overarcing plot of Jones' run towards some half-ass resolution (which involves the Hulkster getting in kahoots w/ the Abomination's totally hot spy/wife, some totally hot undead-type spy whose son the Hulk supposedly killed, and some other totally hot spy woman who just happens to be the once-dead Betty Ross) (and Doc Samson, of course), I hit the wall. Also, anything I've read of his since he began writing _Hulk_ that isn't _Hulk_ has been abominable (oh, pun).

David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 2 April 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Peter David's run on that was ace.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 2 April 2004 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

Mark Waid is such a fantastic answer (although I never actually bought his hype; it only took a couple of issues of his X-Men run to realize that the main reason people were throwing their panties at him was because he posted to rec.arts.comics.*).

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 2 April 2004 22:23 (twenty-one years ago)

What the hell? I didn't see the post until now. Sure there may be a lot of hype around Gaiman but I can't see how he hasn't lived up to it. The Sandman series was the best work of fiction I've ever read in my entire life and the only thing I've had to re-read as soon as I finished it. American Gods? Super. Stardust? Fantastic. The Wolves in the Wall? Fabulous. Murder Mysteries? Wonderful. Two Plays for Voices? Awesome. Books of Magic? Splendid.

Dude, Gaiman's brain is, like, this awesome story making factory. He thinks up these marvelous ideas and molds it into something readable. I can't- I can't believe you-

You just need to read more of his stuff. What did you read?

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 17:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Gaiman is pretty good, but can't ever be as good as he thinks he is. Having seen him talk a while back, the guy who nominated him to play Guilderoy Lockhart in Harry Potter is OTM.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:32 (twenty-one years ago)

"OTM"? On The Money?

Well, I don't think he's all that self-obsessed. He writes in his online journal everyday, answering people's emails. He also makes sure to sign books for everyone standing in line, no one gets turned away. I think he cares a lot of about his fans and works really hard.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

On the money, indeed.

He's not selfish, no. Whatever else there is on his plate, if you want to idolise him, he'll make time for you :)

What he isn't is some kind of Kirby-esque ideas factory. He's ten times the craftsman than he is the artist.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

but can't ever be as good as he thinks he is

I would definitely disagree with that, as he really does seem to be a pretty humble guy. As good as his reputation is something else entirely, as I'm sure in some circles his name is synonomous with "literary comic" or what have you.

I don't know, I haven't read everything he's done (at least comics-wise), but I have enjoyed what I've read and he's way ahead of the curve at any rate.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I do think of him as a storyteller in a very traditional sense. He obviously loves and uses folktales, fairy tales, myths, etc. but has made it part of his style, which I like quite a bit.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you been at a booksigning/talk of his?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

A signing, not a talk. There was hardly anyone there so my girlfriend and I basically ended up chatting with him for a bit.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 19:00 (twenty-one years ago)

In fact...this was a couple years ago, and it's not my fault he stole my fucking jacket.

Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 19:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Like most comics series Sandman suffers hugely from playing to the gallery - i.e. a kewl character or two is introduced, goes down well with a portion of the audience and turns the creator's head (surely nobody apart from NG and convention ditzes can bear Delirium??). It's a hazard of serial fiction, well not always a hazard, Lee/Kirby thrived on it. There's a fairly brutal but accurate summary of Sandman in the UK-published Slings And Arrows Guide To Comics which I think is the best thing I've read about it. His non-comics work may be a lot better but in Sandman he seemed to me to use folklore and myth the way mainstream comics use guest appearances and cameos - little winks to make the clever reader feel more initiated but not much more.

(I also think he suffered from not doing the weekly UK comics grind - his plotting and pacing lacks the tightness you get from most of his UK import peers)

The best things about Sandman were the short stories - the Augustus one in particular I remember as being good - but my favourite Gaiman comic moment was in Books Of Magic, with the kid exploring some magical rural landscape, partly because it reminded me of childhood holidays but it really did seem to capture some of the power and capriciousness of fairy-tale, a genuinely 'magical' moment. ISTR that the rest of the series was a bit rub tho.

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 21:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I did buy into the hype though! I even had a T-Shirt!

Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Wednesday, 7 April 2004 21:15 (twenty-one years ago)

The Delirium story in "Endless Nights" helped me to understand her, erm... delirium better. I think it was the best Delirium story I've read. Also, in another story in "Endless Nights" you to meet Delight (before she became Delirium). Pretty cool.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 8 April 2004 10:40 (twenty-one years ago)

I bought 5 copies of the Death of Superman!

Um.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Thursday, 8 April 2004 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Chuck: You... you... COLLECTOR!

VG: I've read every single Sandman trade, bought and reread most of them. And I even bought that Sandman companion. I have to admit that the meta-arcs of Sandman eluded my attention for the most part (yes, in certain ways, I'm a sloppy/lazy reader), but what most rubbed me the wrong way was his prose, which at times seemed to be derived from gothy, teen-whinging-in-a-diary style of writing (e.g. "She... has decided she no longer loves me.") (paraphrase). In other words, I found him to be overly precious. As a tool for comparison, check out Dave McKean's Cages. His dialogue trumps Gaiman's in terms of cadence, authenticity (take w/ a grain of salt because a Yank is speaking here) and maturity.

(And what Tico Tom sez about the overall UK-crew -- even though I'm hardly a fan of any of them, I agree with him that their pacing is usually spot on.)

(I'll stop before I start the literariness debate, which would be difficult to discuss objectively.)

BUT. The "Dream Hunters" novel with Yoshitaka Amano was superb. (I haven't seen you mention that yet VG, make sure you check it out.) As far as I'm concerned, the best thing he's ever done.

Leee O'Gaddy (Leee), Thursday, 8 April 2004 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"she .. has decided he no longer loves me" is an example of the speaker being a whiny arse, though, and as dream says it suddenly it starts raining and we cut to the librarian and the pumpkin guy going "oh for FUCKS SAKES" (paraphrase.)

as something to find in the library at fourteen and obsess over for a couple months it was more or less perfect. also they were missing a couple so i got to assume that if i'd read the rest it'd all make perfect sense, which buying the other two or three sort of proved they didn't. (if the plot of the series does hang together at all it's by depending on really cheap fantasy getouts, somewhere, but i'm not sure) so i bought into the reputation for a while.

problem with gaiman is that he doesn't seem able to balance the sides of him that think morpheus is SO COOL with moments like the thing above, perhaps

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 10 April 2004 01:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean i'd love a comic or a novel where he goofed off and tried to avoid literary merit entirely, or alternatively one where he tried to actually work through thoroughly where he actually stands viz. fantastic tradition and where it is in his head, i think. but with american gods winning the bloody major awards where's the impetus for either?

favorite thing he's written ever is maybe the story about the adolescent obsessed with elric, but then again it might be awful.

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 10 April 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

hype i bought into: i spent like 18 months reading the warren ellis forum; oops

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 10 April 2004 01:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i mean i'd love a comic or a novel where he goofed off and tried to avoid literary merit entirely

I think I'd love it if all comics writers goofed off with their superheroes/angels/demons/mythological manifestations instead instead of, you know, doing what they do.

Jordan (Jordan), Saturday, 10 April 2004 15:05 (twenty-one years ago)

HAHAHA I completely bought the Warren Ellis hype! For the most part, I still do (although I can definitely point out his stories that just don't work).

VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 April 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

I just read his Hellblazer tpb and while most of it was really good, I remembered it was Warren Ellis when he would slide into his standard shock-rock shtick (usually involves fetuses, shit, etc.). Some of that is fine in small measure in Transmet, but I'm glad it never crept into Planetary (maybe why that book seems rather un-Ellis).

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 12 April 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

hype i STILL buy: morrison, milligan, moore

tom west (thomp), Monday, 12 April 2004 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)


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