Seth vs Chester Brown

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lovely drawings seemingly designed to shelter their inhabitants, readers, creator from the inevitable disappointingness of their lives vs dead fuzzy animal jokes

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 21 April 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

(n.b. i think i prefer brown, actually)

tom west (thomp), Thursday, 21 April 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

who doesn't?

kit brash (kit brash), Friday, 22 April 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

Brown, I know firsthand, is a really nice guy. Seth seems like a bit of a dandy (which could be a plus OR negative, I suppose).
Seth's never done anything like Louis Riel, so Brown wins.

Huk-L, Friday, 22 April 2005 13:53 (twenty years ago)

I like Seth best I think.

jel -- (jel), Friday, 22 April 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)

Chester's ex, s00k-y1n, lives opposite me, so they're always drinking at the bar on my street. He's pretty affable. I can't say either really excites me, tho'.

Chuck Tatum (Chuck Tatum), Friday, 22 April 2005 16:35 (twenty years ago)

Chester B is the more imaginative and interesting story teller, Seth is a great illustrator. i actuallly prefer Joe Matt's cartoony art though - shame he seems to be such a shit, and hasn't much of a story to tell. IMHO

Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 22 April 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

the ending of louis riel is great, i think: i'm not all that well-read in comics but the dark-into-light bit really impressed me, i hadn't seen anything drawn using that kinda conceit or at least not for sixty pages, it's really powerful also distancing, at once; also the hard work of it impresses (all that black ink!)

also my canadian friends were like "holy shit someone drew a comic book about louis riel"

in it's a good life.. i wasn't sure if seth wanted to put himself across as a bore or not. a bunch of his uh central concerns seem to be in robinson's 'starman' which i've been reading and is surprisingly good, actually - i dunno. 'clyde fans' seems to engage with the past in a much, much more interesting fashion, although not one i have any particular insights w/r/t.

mostly i started this thread bcz the way they draw each other is cute.

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 23 April 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

ithinkidunnoithink.

i've read brown's thing about playboy and the shorts collection, what else should i look into?

tom west (thomp), Saturday, 23 April 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

"Ed the Happy Clown" is good. He's also done "I Never Liked You" and "Underwater" but I don't know what they're worth.

RR (restandrec), Sunday, 24 April 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

I Never Liked You (the original serial title was FUCK, which was more powerful and very more relevant [and wouldn't have kickstarted a generation of whiny emo saps] but obviously not very practical for collected front-cover bookstore purposes) is something of a companion piece to The Playboy, examining other aspects of Brown's teenage life and attempts to come to terms with a) gurls and b) his mother's mental illness, when he had no mechanism for comprehending either. It's probably better than The Playboy, though its breadth makes it less immediate in the memory. "Ah yes, wanking, jolly good" vs "uh, emotional turmoil... uncommunicativeness... no inner monologue?"

Underwater was brilliant, but v. uncommercial and got abandoned about ten issues in. Intending to tell a life story from birth to [death?] Brown gave up when he'd been doing it for two or three years and the babies were still not processing human speech or their visual perceptions. He came up with ingenious representations of these though! But most of the audience bailed, thinking it was utter gibberish. Don't bother now unless you like unfinished, possibly frustrating works.

Ed The Happy Clown has been different in serial, first collection and second collection. He's starting a new serialised reprint, with heavier revisions than before, ahead of another collected edition - this is probably going to be a lot of fun to read piece by piece if you're looking for a next step.

kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 24 April 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

I discovered the 'Ed the Happy Clown' serialised reprint this weekend. According to Brown in the preface there are no revisions and it's being reprinted as it appeared in Yummy Fur.

One of my favorite comics ever and one of my favorite artists. The story 'Showing Helder' (I think that's what it was called) reprinted in 'The Little Man' has the most beautiful art--frameless panels on white pages.

robertw, Monday, 25 April 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)

ps. I like Seth's stuff but haven't read so much of it. I loved his 'Mister X' art back in the day--the best thing about that book.

robertw, Monday, 25 April 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

My dad, who is not at all a comics person, visited recently, and found the first issue of the "Ed the Happy Clown" re-serialization sitting around. He asked me if I could recommend anything else like it. I said that unfortunately there is NOTHING else like it...

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 25 April 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

I discovered the 'Ed the Happy Clown' serialised reprint this weekend. According to Brown in the preface there are no revisions and it's being reprinted as it appeared in Yummy Fur.

huh! this can still lead to a totally different third collection though, given how much of it was never reprinted before. no back-up features though, I take it?

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 25 April 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Well I guess the serialisation should match what's in the 'ETHC' 1992 collection right? Unless Brown edited that? I've never seen it, I had the '89 book which missed the later parts (as they hadn't been done yet).

No back-up features indeed, though there's a few pages of Brown's notes about the comic--how he drew it, where the ideas came from etc.

robertw, Monday, 25 April 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Oh I'm mistaken about it being reprinted from Yummy Fur. Here are Brown's words from the preface:

These nine comic-books will reprint the work exactly as it appeared in the 1992 book edition...

So there. How that differs from what was printed in Yummy Fur I don't know.

robertw, Monday, 25 April 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

the 1989 book cut off at YF #12, but had an introduction by Harvey Pekar & Brown that's very funny. the 1992 book inserted about six pages from a later issue of YF, and had a new four-or-five page ending, but otherwise continued to omit the last six issues of the story.

(the first book omitted them because they didn't exist yet, the second omitted them because Brown decided the later stuff wasn't as good as the rest and had gotten used to the unresolved ending in the first one.)

Plus there may have been the odd art revision here and there, nothing major.

kit brash (kit brash), Monday, 25 April 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Hey... aren't these guys all pals
and don't they appear in each other's strips?
In fact, don't they both appear together in Joe Matt's books?
The only thing they seem competitive about is barely contained
self-loathing.
Maybe try to establish pecking order among cartoonists who
are less chummy? Like Ted Rall and somebody.

wait a minute, Monday, 25 April 2005 22:32 (twenty years ago)

wait...do you think they'll all read this and then act accordingly?

mullygrubbr (bulbs), Monday, 25 April 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for that info Kit. I had been looking for the 92 edition of the book under the impression it contained ALL of the Ed stories (and thus was happy to find the new serialization). Now I'm gonna start looking for YF back issues....

robertw, Monday, 25 April 2005 23:50 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...
Dear Huk (or anyone),

Do I want the Louis Riel book? I think I do.

Your friend,

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 05:41 (twenty years ago)

WHAT IS IT?

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 05:46 (twenty years ago)

Oh I've looked at it. The hardcover is lovely looking, from the outside, and the drawing seems like it has potential.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 05:48 (twenty years ago)

it's a gorgeous book... i'm not wild about it though

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 06:02 (twenty years ago)

(it's a little dry)

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 06:02 (twenty years ago)

I am sort of afraid of that. I might have to get it for Saskaphiliac reasons anyway, but.

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 06:19 (twenty years ago)

i think it's great, esp. considering how massive a shift it is from brown's usual sort of thing. sadly all he seems to be doing lately is re-editing ed the happy clown, again.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 12:15 (twenty years ago)

Didn't I show my AUTOGRAPHED copy?
I have a book of poetry I keep intending to mail to you (it's a Western Canadian anthology that includes Weakerthans lyrics) and some fake Corner Gas money from a contest that ended about two years ago.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Brown's also working on a graphic novel that he's not serializing first, about the history of his sex life.

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 18:24 (twenty years ago)

much the usual, then.

tom west (thomp), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 23:26 (twenty years ago)

The Weakerthans are GREBT. Fantastic lyrics. "Plea from from a Cat Named Virtue" was my favorite song of 2003. 2003, they have to be due for a new album this year.

scamperingalpaca (Chris Hill), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 23:42 (twenty years ago)

God I have so no interest in his sex life.

I'm sure I will get the book. I thought last time this came up, Huk asked me hadn't he shown me a few issues of it. Also, I'm downloading the latest Corner Gas right now.

Once I didn't buy a book of terrible poetry for a dollar even though the author was from rural Sask. I still mostly don't regret that.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 03:12 (twenty years ago)

The Weakerthans are GREBT. Fantastic lyrics. "Plea from from a Cat Named Virtue" was my favorite song of 2003. 2003, they have to be due for a new album this year.

Agreed. But John K's busy producing another band's new record right now, so I don't know that a new Weakerthans album will be along that soon.

Huk, that book sounds good -- what's the title, if you don't mind.

Oblivious Lad. (Oblivious Lad), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 03:37 (twenty years ago)

That's a good question. It's "Voices of the New West" or something. I've got it at home and can't seem to find any trace of it online.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 1 March 2006 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Post-Prairie: An Anthology of New Poetry

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 2 March 2006 03:34 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

Includes CBC Comics Fest

Chuck_Tatum, Friday, 8 June 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

"Canadian comics are anything but dull" - author has obv never read Louis Riel

didn't have much time for Seth's over-ornate, self-regarding foppery until a friend gave me Wimbledon Green, which is a really funny, really beautiful piece of auto-critique abt comics (and collecting in general) - he shld be more 'spontaneous' more often, fuck a grand schema/structure

Ward Fowler, Friday, 8 June 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

his next work after Wimbledon Green was very much in that mode, but suffered from being too self-conscious about trying to capture the new elements that made WG a success in the end. or maybe it was just that he kept hitting the same plot notes every three weeks for intended poignancy.

energy flash gordon, Saturday, 9 June 2007 01:39 (eighteen years ago)


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