What, Rex the Wonder Dog wasn't available? Your JLA 2010 Death Pool

I just read JLA: Cry for Justice #s 2&3: Supergirl actually cries one tear, and then says "we can be justice"; Batman does a flyby; a giant golden gorilla jumps out of an airplane over the ocean without a parachute to smash some robots and I didn't catch a buzz; Prometheus gets an origin & reveals his masterplan, and then his origin is retold; the Atom makes what might be the first in-continuity reference to Countdown to Forbidden Crisis; and James Robinson wraps it all up by claiming it's inspired by Grant Morrison.

Sounds pretty wacky, but I haven't been following the current JLA. I'm suprised they are even using Hal Jordan and Ollie in this book, as it seems like the big thing this year is everyone is not the real one.

Yeah, it's like okay, we've got the classic B-Listers of the 50/60/70/80s back, let's fuck with the moneymakers!

DC is totally upside down. I'm reading a couple of their books, but even the good ones are still a bit meh. I know that James Robinson was supposed to be a cool comic writer back in the 90s (got the Starman issues, haven't read 'em), but his and Rucka's setup on Superman is totally goofy and this JLA stuff sounds about the same.

Maybe I'm just old and lame, but if it was me, I'd reset the whole enchilada and get ALL of the characters back to the classic versions and get rid of all of the duplicates, sons and clones running around.

Oh well, there is always back issues to read and most of them don't cost $3 or $4 bucks an issue.

more like not goofy enough. or maybe the set-up is goofy, but the execution is not.

voting starfire as the most expendable.

How long has it been since the last DC full-on reboot? Was Man of Steel the last time they did that?

Most of the characters who have never been marketed on boys' underpants have been through multiple reboots (ie, Doom Patrol, Space Cabbie, etc), and Infinite Crisis/Zero Hour/Young Justice featuring Lil' Lobo have all pulled fast ones on the past events of the DCU, but nothing like Man of Steel and Wonder Woman (which was probs the hardest of the 86/87 reboots).

Not that I'm reading any of this stuff week-to-week (I just read the Final Crisis HC today), but wasn't one of the major sticking points of Infinite Crisis/52/Countdown/Final Crisis bringing back all of this multiverse stuff? Because as weird as it is to keep track of alternate Batmans and such, it's almost as ridiculous to compress the product of hundreds and writers and artists into a single character with one confusing, contradictory canon of history and such.

^^^did you read Batman:RIP (which is a companion to FC)

How long has it been since the last DC full-on reboot?

Zero Hour was 1997 or so?

Superboy punching reality was more recent obv, but I'm not sure if it reset anything, or is just an excuse for none of the previous resets taking. Zero Hour was def a hard reboot though.

I read RIP earlier when I was going through the Morrison Batman stuff. Loved it, but was also kind of baffled by the two-parter at the end that took place during Final Crisis, yet after the disappearance of Batman, which of course makes no sense -- especially considering that Morrison wrote all this! (That said, it was a great story! Made sense to include it on quality alone.)

Don't think he wants to eschew the concept of canon or continuity completely, but I dig the idea of what he's doing in terms of selecting lore, as I posted a few weeks ago on the All-Star Superman thread. (It seems spelled out at the end of FC when he has Wonder Woman and Supergirl telling parts of the final battle, omitting huge chunks of what exactly happens in the final issue.) Not sure how to adequately explain it, but I loved his crazy mish-mash of Batman mythology during that run, and pretty psyched to find out he was going to continue on the title.

Problem with reboots is that they always seem to be self-defeating -- even when they sort of work (Ultimate Marvel) it ends up playing catchup in some way and confusing everyone after enough time, at which point they need to reboot again. I know about the "illusion of change" and all that, but why bother with the pretense of canon, then...

xp I think the Superboy punching reality was kind of a (terrible) great idea, just for a semi-plausible excuse for the writers to do anything they wanted - no "hard" rules about New Earth, it seemed, at least until this whole 52 worlds thing.

but why bother with the pretense of canon
Blame CanStanada! Or Paul Levitz; who, as 3 out of 5 comics-blogger has claimed in the last 2 wks, invented the directed market (in the same sense that Al Gore invented the Internet). Compare the sales of FinalBlackest Night to Legends of the Dark Knight Batman: Confidential 175k:19k, proves that canonical storytelling trumps (probably) good storytelling (Peter Milligan, come on people!).
Non-canonical/continuity stuff like SOLO, Wednesday Comics, LOTDK, might inherently present stronger opportunities for really good storytelling, but fuckaduck, it just doesn't sell. Then again, All Star Batman, when it comes out, is a massive seller, so what am I saying anyway?

Haha really? I guess Miller and Lee both being on it is probably enough to make bank, though I just see it as an outrageously silly (and amusing) book. It makes sense though - with Marvel and DC I do admit I tend to gravitate towards books with established names, which do tend to be these big mainstream canon titles. I'm only interested in SOLO because I want to read that Darwyn Cooke issue.

I'm just saying with canon, reboots aren't strictly necessary, since they happen pretty much all the time with nobody noticing as one writer rewrites history, another picks up on something from 30 years ago nobody cared about, it's all fun. I suppose this is more of the Marvel method which I'm more accustomed to. But yeah, I totally get the cynical money grabbing ploy as well, conceding some personal defeat...

(and come on dude, Peter Milligan has written A LOT of mediocre stuff, especially with X-Men...)

I read the Batman/Detective parts of RIP and it was kinda fucking horrible.

Non-canonical/continuity stuff like SOLO, Wednesday Comics, LOTDK, might inherently present stronger opportunities for really good storytelling, but fuckaduck, it just doesn't sell. Then again, All Star Batman, when it comes out, is a massive seller, so what am I saying anyway?

Not sure that ASBatman counts as really good storytelling.

I think he was just making the point that canon stuff seems to sell overwhelmingly over non-canon books, but ASB is decidedly non-canon and sells well anyway.

Ah, right. Sorry!

yeah, asb kinda is meh thus far

er, wait, I meant gmoz batman and robin. whups.

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"Cyborg" is such an awfully uninventive name. Up there w Machine Man or Giant Man.

side question: who does this leave the Titans with? Red Arrow, Flash (both former JLAers), Raven & Beast Boy? Kole?

yeah, asb kinda is meh thus far

i dunno puts the funny back in funnybooks imo