I know there's already this thread:
End of Decade Polls: Nominations Thread:End of Decade Polls: Nominations Thread
But I'd like to do a poll that's only about the best comic of the 00s. Did you (Dr Superman) want to do it too? If yes, let me know and I'll cancel this one.
Otherwise, this is the thread for nominating comics to be included in the "Best comic of the 00s" poll. Nomination deadline: January 7th, 2010. Will try to start poll shortly after.
You can nominate as many comics as you want, from any genre and country. Online comics too. The only requirement is that it was created in the 00s, ie no reprints.
My nominations:Ice Haven -Daniel ClowesGenesis -Robert CrumbBottomless Bellybutton -Dash Shaw
I'll post more as I think of them.
― RR, Thursday, 5 November 2009 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
A lot of things I'd nominate came out in English in 00 but are mad old.That aside:
The Photographer - GuibertTreasury of Victorian Murder - GearyUsagi Yojimbo - Sakai
― I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 November 2009 20:17 (fifteen years ago) link
"The only requirement is that it was created in the 00s, ie no reprints."
I want to appeal this for benefit of "I shall destroy all civilized worlds"
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 November 2009 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link
IF I MAY:
676 APPARITIONS OF KILLOFFER by Killoffer: Everyone should read this forever and ever and ever (INSERT INFINITE ELLIPSES!)FUN HOME by Alison BechdelSEVEN SOLDIERS OF VICTORY by Grant Morrison and jillions of others.et allllllllll....
MORE TO COME!
― R Baez, Thursday, 5 November 2009 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link
the comic at the end of 'I Shall Destroy' is a legit contender, but it needs the setup
― I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 November 2009 20:20 (fifteen years ago) link
Joann Sfar: The Rabbi's Cat, The Rabbi's Cat 2, KlezmerBrian K. Vaughan: Y the Last ManWarren Ellis: Transmetropolitan (last two years were this decade)Bill Willingham: FablesTerry Moore: Strangers in ParadiseAlison Bechdel: Fun HomeFred Chao: Johnny HiroAlex Robinson: TrickedDavid Small: Stitches
― Mordy, Thursday, 5 November 2009 20:26 (fifteen years ago) link
did strangers in paradise ever stop being cheap titillation? I stopped reading it YEARS ago
― I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 November 2009 20:31 (fifteen years ago) link
not to be a dick about it
"I want to appeal this for benefit of "I shall destroy all civilized worlds""
Sorry, but I'm being strict about the no reprints rule. The Karasik comic afterword is ok as a nominee though (but only on its own).
― RR, Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:16 (fifteen years ago) link
haha, i didn't realize there were any other SiP stans around here. love it to death but it definitely should've ended a few years earlier
it's weird, none of the books mentioned so far really jump out to me as BOOK OF THE DECADE where I will jump up and down for it, I feel like the best books I read this decade were reprints. like i would say Monster right now but of course that actually came out in the 90s. ditto for Love and Rockets. if hard pressed I might go with Morrison Bats. or Scott Pilgrim. Stitches and Y were pretty damn good too. Bellybutton... almost up there.
― Nhex, Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:31 (fifteen years ago) link
There's a slew of weird internet memes that manifest as a kind of comic and while they often don't qualify as "good" by traditional criteria, they certainly feel more representative of the 00s than any comic I can think of (except for, bizarrely enough, the Fletcher Hanks stuff), so maybe they should get honorable mentions in the hopes that there will one day be a 'Jimmy Corrigan'-caliber lolcat?
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:45 (fifteen years ago) link
tbh, achewood belongs on this poll.
― I AM NOT ONE TO PURSUE GAME, MY FRIEND - NO, INDEED. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 November 2009 21:47 (fifteen years ago) link
really? i'm a big achewood fan but mannnnnnn there is a lot to comb through to get to the good stuff. this is true for most webcomics, naturally
― Nhex, Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:08 (fifteen years ago) link
we need to clarify here what "best comic" means. Is it a body of work (say, all the GMoz Batstuff in the aughties), is it a discrete trade, is it an individual comic or can it be a much larger body of work like achewood 00 to '10?
― you get ribbons when you're in 4H (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:16 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd say everyone feel free to categorize away (single issue/arc/self-sufficient graphic novel/that panel in FOX TROT that squishes Bechdel, SERIOUSLY). That seems to be the way to go.
― R Baez, Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link
100 Demons - BarryGod gold and Golems - SturmDungeon - Trondheim
― you get ribbons when you're in 4H (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
I have a bunch of noms to include later but I'm in the end stages of a poker tournament, so for right now I'll just say --
Morrison/Quitely - WE3
― WmC, Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:35 (fifteen years ago) link
"that panel in FOX TROT that squishes Bechdel, SERIOUSLY"wha??
― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 5 November 2009 22:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Matt Kindt: Super Spy100 Bullets, surely!Top 10
― When two tribes go to war, he always gets picked last (James Morrison), Thursday, 5 November 2009 23:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Nextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E.Gødland
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 6 November 2009 01:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Final Crisis52Or ElseAll-Star SupermanSleeper
All I can think of at the moment. Ice Haven is my number one with a bullet, but it showed up in the first post (naturally).
― I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 6 November 2009 06:12 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh: NEW X-MEN, DUH.
― I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 6 November 2009 06:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Off the top of my head:
Alison Bechdel: Dykes to Watch Out For It's been a ongoing strip since the 1980s. I think it's been on a hiatus since 2008, but there's still several years' worth of strips from this decade.
Alan Moore & Zander Cannon: Smax. Miniseries.
Philippe Dupuy & Charles Berberian: Monsieur Jean. Ongoing series. It started in the 1990s, but three or four books have come out during this decade.
Cristophe Blain: Isaac the Pirate. Ongoing series.
Marjane Satrapi: Persepolis. Miniseries.
Marjane Satrapi: Embroideries. Graphic novel.
Brian K. Vaughan & various: Runaways. Ongoing series.
Dan Slott & Paul Pelletier & Rick Magyar: Great Lakes Avengers: Misassembled. Miniseries.
Will nominate more later.
― Tuomas, Friday, 6 November 2009 13:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh yeah, I'm only nominating Vaughan's run on Runaways, as I haven't read anything that came after it.
― Tuomas, Friday, 6 November 2009 13:16 (fifteen years ago) link
That means both Vol. 1 and Vol. 2, not just Vol. 1.
― Tuomas, Friday, 6 November 2009 13:18 (fifteen years ago) link
Tales Designed To Thrizzle
― I HEART CREEPY MENS (Deric W. Haircare), Friday, 6 November 2009 13:47 (fifteen years ago) link
Black Panther volume 4 (Hudlin/various, but also a great "Secret Invasion" 3-parter by Jason Aaron/Jefte Palo.)The Boys - Ennis/Robertson/various Astonishing X-Men - Whedon/CassadayQueen and Country - Rucka/variousEx Machina - Vaughan/HarrisDaredevil - Bendis/MaleevAlias - Bendis/GaydosPowers - Bendis/Oeming
maybe some more later
― WmC, Friday, 6 November 2009 14:43 (fifteen years ago) link
ummm..... SEAGUY
― The Dance at the Crossroads (HI DERE), Friday, 6 November 2009 15:07 (fifteen years ago) link
Castle Waiting - MedleyDaredevil - Lark, BrubakerRutu Modan - exit woundsBlack Hole - Charles BurnsCan't get no - rick veitchThe Perry Bible FellowshipYou'll Never Know - Carol TylerThe Mourning Star - Strzepek
― you get ribbons when you're in 4H (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 November 2009 15:24 (fifteen years ago) link
Not trolling, honestly, but what did guys like so much about Ice Haven? Personally I thought it was weaker than Clowes' other work.
― Nhex, Friday, 6 November 2009 15:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Oh yeah Black Hole definitely deserves a nom. Forgot about that one...
― Nhex, Friday, 6 November 2009 15:29 (fifteen years ago) link
Ah, meant to nominate some online stuff.
Overcompensating - Jeffrey RowlandScary-Go-Round - John AllisonAchewood - Chris Onstad (mentioned above but I don't think formally nominated)
― WmC, Friday, 6 November 2009 15:35 (fifteen years ago) link
52 secondedNick Bertozzi's The Salon is a thing of much beauty and enjoyment
― there's a better way to browse (Dr. Superman), Friday, 6 November 2009 20:03 (fifteen years ago) link
Paul has a Summer Job - Michel RabagliatiAcme Comics Library #18 - Chris WareMarvel Zombies - Robert Kirkman and Sean PhillipsWalking Dead - Robert Kirkman and Charlie AdlardEpileptic - David BGus - Chris BlainLeft Bank Gang - JaxonWimbledon Green - Seth99 Ways to Tell a Story - Matt MaddenCriminal - Ed Brubaker and Sean PhillipsNew Avengers - Bendis/various artistsNotes for a War Story - GipiWolverine: Enemy of the State - Mark Millar and John Romita, JrMy Brain is Hanging Upside Down - David HeatleyParker: The Hunter - Darwyn CookeTamara Drewe - Posy SimmondsPlastic Man - Kyle BakerGotham Central - Ed Brubaker, Greg Rucka, Michael LarkSatiro-Plastic - Gary Panter
― Ward Fowler, Friday, 6 November 2009 20:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Rutu Modan - Exit WoundsG. Willow Wilson - CairoG. Willow Wilson - AirBryan Lee O'Malley - Scott Pilgrim
― Mordy, Friday, 6 November 2009 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Plastic Man - Kyle BakerSpecial Forces - Kyle Baker
― there's a better way to browse (Dr. Superman), Friday, 6 November 2009 20:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Ice Haven is the kind of comic that validates comics in that it couldn't have been made any other way. A lot of other comics seem to be only incidentally comics. Like Black Hole could just as easily have been a cartoon except it would have taken Burns 10000000 years to finish.
So I'd rate Ice Haven higher just for "comics are awesome by themselves!" boosterism but Clowes has already abandoned comics for movies so fat lot of good that does.
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 November 2009 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link
What the hell, while we're throwing in noms
Demo by Brian Wood and Becky CloonanHeavy Liquid by Paul PopeYotsuba&! by Kiyohiko AzumaPluto by Naoki UrasawaBlankets by Craig ThompsonI Killed Adolf Hitler by JasonDC's The New Frontier by Darwyn Cooke
also thinking Bone, but since it ran from 1991 to 2004 maybe it shouldn't count (same as SiP)
― Nhex, Friday, 6 November 2009 20:34 (fifteen years ago) link
i disagree about Black Hole - there were a ton of amazing compositions in that one that would've been utterly wasted in film/animation - constructed to be read
― Nhex, Friday, 6 November 2009 20:36 (fifteen years ago) link
DMZ, by Brian Wood
― Mordy, Friday, 6 November 2009 20:37 (fifteen years ago) link
"amazing compositions in that one that would've been utterly wasted"Ha, I felt kind of bad for burning through that book in 10 minutes.
In a cartoon, Burns could force the viewer to concentrate for more than a second on an image "damn you I spent a year drawing this, you're gonna look at it dammt! ha, can't flip the page now, can you?"
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 November 2009 20:54 (fifteen years ago) link
;_;
― Nhex, Friday, 6 November 2009 21:30 (fifteen years ago) link
took me months to get though it
Here's what the list of nominees looks like so far:
5299 Ways to Tell a Story -Matt Madden100 Bullets100 Demons -Barry676 apparitions of Killoffer -KillofferAchewood -Chris OnstadAcme Comics Library #18 -Chris WareAir -G. Willow WilsonAlias -Bendis and GaydosAll-Star SupermanAstonishing X-Men -Whedon and CassadayBlack Hole -Charles BurnsBlack Panther volume 4 -Hudlin, Jason Aaron, Jefte Palo and variousBlankets -Craig ThompsonBone (2000-2004) Bottomless Bellybutton -Dash ShawCairo -G. Willow WilsonCan't get no -Rick VeitchCastle Waiting -MedleyCriminal -Ed Brubaker and Sean PhillipsDaredevil -Bendis and MaleevDaredevil -Lark and BrubakerDC's The New Frontier -Darwyn CookeDemo -Brian Wood and Becky CloonanDMZ -Brian WoodDungeon -TrondheimDykes to Watch Out For (strips from the 00s only) -Alison BechdelEmbroideries -Marjane SatrapiEpileptic -David BEx Machina -Vaughan and HarrisExit Wounds -Rutu ModanFables -Bill WillinghamFinal CrisisFun home -Alison Bechdel Genesis -Robert CrumbGod gold and Golems -SturmGødlandGotham Central -Ed Brubaker, Greg Rucka and Michael LarkGreat Lakes Avengers: Misassembled -Dan Slott, Paul Pelletier and Rick MagyarGus -Chris BlainHeavy Liquid -Paul PopeI Killed Adolf Hitler -JasonI shall destroy all the civilized planets afterword -KarasikIce Haven -Daniel ClowesIsaac the Pirate -Cristophe Blain Johnny Hiro -Fred Chao Klezmer -Joann SfarLeft Bank Gang -JaxonLolcat internet meme -variousMarvel Zombies -Robert Kirkman and Sean PhillipsMatt Kindt: Super SpyMonsieur Jean -Philippe Dupuy and Charles BerberianMy Brain is Hanging Upside Down -David HeatleyNextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E.New Avengers -Bendis and various artistsNew X-MenNotes for a War Story -GipiOr ElseOvercompensating -Jeffrey RowlandParker: The Hunter -Darwyn CookePaul has a Summer Job - Michel RabagliatiPersepolis -Marjane SatrapiPlastic Man -Kyle BakerPluto -Naoki UrasawaPowers -Bendis and OemingQueen and Country -Rucka and variousRunaways (Vaughan's run only, ie volumes 1 and 2) -Brian K. Vaughan and variousSatiro-Plastic -Gary PanterScary-Go-Round -John AllisonScott Pilgrim -Bryan Lee O'MalleySeaguySeven soldiers of victory -Grant Morrison and othersShortcomings -Adrian TomineSleeperSmax -Alan Moore and Zander CannonSpecial Forces -Kyle BakerStitches -David SmallStrangers in Paradise (00s material only) -Terry MooreTales Designed To ThrizzleTamara Drewe -Posy SimmondsThe Boys -Ennis, Robertson and variousThe Mourning Star -StrzepekThe Perry Bible FellowshipThe Photographer -GuibertThe Rabbi's Cat -Joann SfarThe Rabbi's Cat 2 -Joann SfarThe Salon -Nick BertozziTop 10 Transmetropolitan (last two years) -Warren EllisTreasury of Victorian Murder - Geary Tricked -Alex RobinsonUsagi Yojimbo -SakaiWalking Dead -Robert Kirkman and Charlie AdlardWimbledon Green -SethWE3 -Morrison and QuitelyWolverine: Enemy of the State -Mark Millar and John Romita, JrY the Last Man -Brian K. VaughanYotsuba&! -Kiyohiko Azuma You'll Never Know -Carol Tyler
Please let me know if any are missing and if there're any other errors.
― RR, Friday, 6 November 2009 21:57 (fifteen years ago) link
"if hard pressed I might go with Morrison Bats." -Nhex
Is "Bats" an abbreviation for the title? And, if yes, what's the full title? Let me know so I can include it in the list.
"There's a slew of weird internet memes that manifest as a kind of comic and while they often don't qualify as "good" by traditional criteria, they certainly feel more representative of the 00s than any comic I can think of (except for, bizarrely enough, the Fletcher Hanks stuff), so maybe they should get honorable mentions in the hopes that there will one day be a 'Jimmy Corrigan'-caliber lolcat?" -Philip Nunez
I've put in a nomination for the lolcat internet meme. Let me know if there are others you want included.
― RR, Friday, 6 November 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link
"we need to clarify here what "best comic" means. Is it a body of work (say, all the GMoz Batstuff in the aughties), is it a discrete trade, is it an individual comic or can it be a much larger body of work like achewood 00 to '10?" -forkslovetofu
I say yes for a discrete trade, a pamphlet and an internet meme. I'm undecided about body of work (but, yes, Achewood is in the list for now).
"I'd say everyone feel free to categorize away (single issue/arc/self-sufficient graphic novel/that panel in FOX TROT that squishes Bechdel, SERIOUSLY). That seems to be the way to go." -R Baez
Do you mean have separate polls for each category?
― RR, Friday, 6 November 2009 22:19 (fifteen years ago) link
is there a deadline for this? I wanna look around the house and pull a whole buncha stuff.
― you get ribbons when you're in 4H (forksclovetofu), Friday, 6 November 2009 22:26 (fifteen years ago) link
my previous thread was meant to be a catchall for creating various categories and discussing nominations and throwing around ideas, I think the only category actually put forward in that one was Batman stories (and 'Morrison Bats' refers to Grant Morrison's run in the Batman comic titled Batman--though he is currently writing the Batman comic titled Batman & Robin). I think sub-polls and categories are fun and will inevitibly pop up as interest arises, but I do like having one poll for ALL COMICS and COMICS-LIKE stuff, ie this one.
― there's a better way to browse (Dr. Superman), Friday, 6 November 2009 22:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Is this best comic of-the-00s or best comic that happened to be created in the 00s?
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 6 November 2009 22:59 (fifteen years ago) link
Julie Doucet: The Madame Paul Affair
Jessica Abel: La Perdida
Jessica Abel & Gabe Soria & Warren Pleece: Life Sucks
Robert Kirkman & Sean Phillips & Arthur Suydam: Marvel Zombies 2
Fred van Lente & Kev Walker: Marvel Zombies 3
Peter Milligan & Javier Pulido & Cliff Chiang: Human Target. This includes both the graphic novel Human Target: Final Cut and the ongoing series that followed it. I don't think it makes much sense to separate them into different entries, as the ongoing series pretty much continues the plot of the graphic novel. There was also an earlier Human Target miniseries by Milligan and Edvin Biukovic, but that one was released in the 90s, so it's not eligible here.
Jason: Why Are You Doing This?
Jason: Sshhh!
Jason: The Last Musketeer
Btw, The Left Bank Gang is also by Jason (aka the Norwegian artist John Arne Sæterøy), I'm not sure why Ward Fowler called him "Jaxon".
― Tuomas, Saturday, 7 November 2009 10:06 (fifteen years ago) link
knew snake 'n' bacon and the jis collection were gonna get capped for technical reasons. which is bullshit, and this is why. snake 'n' bacon was a little-known alt paper weekly during the time those were run. plus uncollected. thus ridic long-shot for best comic of 90s list. same goes for jis. that stuff's never been published in english afik, never seen a us-accessible collection of any kind. seems a shame to exclude stuff like that & fletcher hanks.
never seen penny arcade, but it turns out that i disagree with it.
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Monday, 14 December 2009 03:05 (fifteen years ago) link
Snake 'n' Bacon undoubtedly seen by thousands and thousands and thousands more people as a weekly multi-paper strip than as a book which had such a low print-run that its publisher filled reorders by using POD!!!
I'm not arsed about the Jis, but then it's not like anyone's gonna vote for it either
― an terror has occurred (sic), Monday, 14 December 2009 03:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm not sure why being published in the US during this decade should be enough to call something a 00s comic. Apparently Edgar P. Jacob's Blake & Mortimer book "S.O.S. Meteors" has been translated into English for the first time this year, but it would be hard for me to call it a "00s comic book", since I first read it as kid back in the early 90s. USA is not the whole world.
ILC has never had a "best of the 90s" poll, nor a poll for any other decade, but I'm sure those works would be eligible for such polls, if we are to have them in the future.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 December 2009 10:39 (fifteen years ago) link
"USA is not the whole world."Is there really any location with a manic, indigenous comics culture outside of USA/Japan?
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 December 2009 16:29 (fifteen years ago) link
France, maybe?
― that is a whole discussion within itself that is worth debating (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 December 2009 16:33 (fifteen years ago) link
I get the sense that there is a very active South American scene, but I don't know much about it or where it's centered.
― WmC, Monday, 14 December 2009 16:35 (fifteen years ago) link
It feels like L'Association and other non-US collectives are the beginnings of a homegrown scene rather than outgrowths of something already thriving.Also, they seem to be more cosmopolitan in outlook -- that Israeli collection included an interview with Maruo Suehiro!
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 December 2009 16:45 (fifteen years ago) link
most countries in europe have a 'comics culture' - france, britain, spain, italy, belgium, etc etc
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 14 December 2009 16:49 (fifteen years ago) link
i mean, you cld EASILY compile a list of the greatest comics of all time that didn't include anything from america or japan
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 14 December 2009 16:51 (fifteen years ago) link
I dunno man, those countries seem to have way more cultural capital invested in serious film than in comics, say. (In the US/Japan it seems every major cultural export is based on a comic book character.)Is Metal Hurlant still running even?
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 December 2009 17:28 (fifteen years ago) link
I'd say comics have been more integral to French culture than they've been to American culture at least since the 1950s. Asterix is basically a French national hero, and I'm sure the per capita sales of comics there is far bigger than in the US.
From what I've gathered Argentina has had a very strong comics culture for decades, but unfortunately not much of its comics have been translated into other languages, except for Munõz & Sampayo. Italy used to be a big comic country too, though I'm not sure what's the situation is in the 00s.
In Finland the most popular comic book is Donald Duck, which has the weekly sale of 300000 (in a country of 5 million people). Most of Disney comics these days are produced in Europe though, since they are much much more popular in here than in the US. Don Rosa is one of the few well-known American artists working in Disney comics today, and even his work was originally published in Europe only.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 December 2009 17:43 (fifteen years ago) link
Even if USA has produced a lot of comic book movies during the last 10-15 years, the movies have almost always been much more popular than the comics they're based on, which isn't the case with Asterix, Tintin, Corto Maltese, etc.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 December 2009 17:45 (fifteen years ago) link
I'll grant you Asterisk and TinTin are true juggernauts, but they largely seem like phenomena unto themselves, rather than part of a comic ecosystem,in the same way that Where's Wally/Waldo doesn't speak for a vibrant tradition of spectacled British heroes.Donald Duck is not a strong case for an indigenous Finnish comic scene!(Maybe the word I'm looking for isn't exactly "indigenous," but I didn't want to use the word "nationalist," though I guess Asterisk might count)
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 December 2009 18:08 (fifteen years ago) link
The disney characters, at the very least economically and most likely culturally, have far more clout in Europe than they do in America and that's been so for decades.
― that is a whole discussion within itself that is worth debating (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 December 2009 18:21 (fifteen years ago) link
This site has some statistics for comic book sales in France. Here are the top 10 sellers of 2008, with sales numbers in parentheses:
- Titeuf de Zep (1.832.000 ex.)- Blake et Mortimer de Yves Sente et André Juillard (600.000 ex.)- Lucky Luke de Laurent Gerra et Achdé (535.000 ex.)- Largo Winch de Jean Van Hamme et Philippe Francq (490.000 ex.)- Le Chat de Geluck (320.000 ex.)- Thorgal de Sente et Rosinski (300.000 ex.)- Lanfeust des étoiles de Christophe Arleston et Didier Tarquin (300.000 ex.)- Cédric de Raoul Cauvin et Laudec (273.000 ex.)- XIII Mystery de Xavier Dorison et Ralph Meyer (253.000 ex.)- Les Profs d’Erroc et Pica ou Les Bidochon de Christian Binet (200.000 ex.)
(Note that none of the top sellers are Asterix or Tintin.) All of the top 4 and number 9 are comics originally published in French (in France, Belgium, or Switzerland); I do not recognize the other five, but I'm sure most of them are French too. Also, in France comics are not generally published as monthly floppies, rather than as larger, 48-page "albums"; albums in a particular series come out maybe 1-4 times a year, sometimes less often. But even without taking that into consideration, it looks like the per capita sales of comics in France are clearly bigger than in the US.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 December 2009 18:30 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah, like I said, these days most of the comics featuring Disney characters are made in Europe (and probably most of them are sold in here too), so even if the characters are American, the comics themselves could certainly be called European.
― Tuomas, Monday, 14 December 2009 18:35 (fifteen years ago) link
Do you recommend any of those Fr. comics listed above?Also, why does that site have a Chris Ware banner?
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 December 2009 18:37 (fifteen years ago) link
Cuz Chris Ware has, at the very least economically and most likely culturally, far more clout in Europe than he does in America.
― that is a whole discussion within itself that is worth debating (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 December 2009 18:40 (fifteen years ago) link
If I was gonna learn a foreign language solely for comic reading (never gonna happen, but in a perfect world) I'd be hard torn to decide between french and japanese.
― that is a whole discussion within itself that is worth debating (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 December 2009 18:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Will Belgium be building a theme park devoted to pain and self-loathing in his honor?
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 December 2009 18:42 (fifteen years ago) link
imagine the funhouse mirror opportunities
― that is a whole discussion within itself that is worth debating (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 December 2009 18:43 (fifteen years ago) link
The entry gates should have a sign: "Fathers, abandon your children here!"
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 December 2009 18:51 (fifteen years ago) link
free stomachache inducing cough drops for the boysdoughy midsection and crippling doubt for the girls
― that is a whole discussion within itself that is worth debating (forksclovetofu), Monday, 14 December 2009 18:54 (fifteen years ago) link
- 'where's wally' actually IS part of a 'vibrant' British cultural tradition of bespectacled heroes that goes back at least as far as Billy Bunter, and comes right up to date w/ Harry Potter (which I'm guessing wld pass even yr extremely screwy definition of 'cultural capital'). And Asterix and Tintin are both a product and reflection of an entire tradition of juvenile comics in Europe - they only stand apart because of their enormous success, but there are many other, similar series - Blake and Mortimer, Gaston, Luke Luke etc etc - that are very nearly as popular and central to the history of Euro comics. Every largeish French city - or British city, come to that - will have a bookshop or dedicated comic shop selling a huge range of comics and albums. Only a tiny tiny sub-section of that will be comics translated from the American (or Japanese).
- 'Metal Hurlant' is no longer published, but then it was never as successful or important as other Franco-Belgian anthology comics like A Suivre, Tintin magazine etc. And as Tuomas notes, the trend in France is for original, non-serialised graphic novels.
― Ward Fowler, Monday, 14 December 2009 19:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Gaston! This editor of our jr. high newspaper translated some Gaston comics for us. I liked it enough, but It didn't catch on. People here want their Garfield and Dilbert I guess.
― Philip Nunez, Monday, 14 December 2009 20:41 (fifteen years ago) link
Despite the best efforts of many a "Comics...They Ain't Just For Kids Anymore!!!!!1" think piece writer, Americans (outside of the relatively small subset of us nerds) just don't give a fuck about comics.
― Zoo Snickers (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 02:34 (fifteen years ago) link
I.e. prolly, like, 1 out of every 100 people who saw Iron Man actually picked up an Iron Man comic afterwards.
― Zoo Snickers (Deric W. Haircare), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 02:36 (fifteen years ago) link
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korea
― farting irl (cankles), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 02:39 (fifteen years ago) link
Nunez was crusing for a SBanning but redeemed himself totally here
lol at your aggressively low numbers - more like 100 people, total
― an terror has occurred (sic), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 03:10 (fifteen years ago) link
idea that comics are more culturally relevant in the US than in france & belgium boggles the mind. think we're way behind asia and europe on that score. desperately recycling decades-old characters as crap movies hardly counts as an "active comics culture".
on jis & cat's don't exist: i've only dug around a little, but i'm unable to find any clear info on when those pieces were first published - or whether or not they've been previously published at all. the penmanship varies enough to suggest that they were drawn over a fairly long period of time, but only a few sketches are dated (those from 89-91). no big deal, cuz yeah, it's not gonna scoop up a ton of votes or anything.
― a dimension that can only be accessed through self-immolation (contenderizer), Tuesday, 15 December 2009 09:25 (fifteen years ago) link
'desperately recycling decades-old characters as crap movies hardly counts as an "active comics culture".'Don't forget merchandising!
'no big deal, cuz yeah, it's not gonna scoop up a ton of votes or anything.'Can you post some pages from it? Don't give up against the US/JP comics hegemony!
re: koreaThere's a weird dynamic w/ kr/jp where I suspect the cultural embargo against japan exacerbated korea's drawing (sometimes verbatim) from japan's comic culture rather than developing its own.(There's dooly the dinosaur, which I guess might be comparable to TinTin) there's a neat site with amateur korean e-comics here: http://www.comix.co.kr/ (I think they use the same web software as this other french site), but I don't seeanyone inspired to champion/translate such comics over here -- will anyone even nominate one of those?
Where is the equivalent of samehat.blogspot.com for korean, french, russian, etc... comics?
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 15 December 2009 19:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Sorry for not updating the nominations list and answering questions in a while. I'm going to extend the nominations deadline to January 27th 2010 (so I can catch up with all the backlog and organize the voting part).
Repeat: the NEW NOMINATIONS DEADLINE IS JANUARY 27TH 2010.
+ Happy New Year to everyone!
― RR, Monday, 4 January 2010 13:57 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm so sorry but I have to extend the nominations deadline again...
The NEW NEW NOMINATIONS DEADLINE IS FEBRUARY 17TH 2010.
Sorry also that this is very short notice.
― RR, Monday, 25 January 2010 20:55 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm ON IPHONE, have we nommed Schizo #4 yet?
― innocent snack attack victim (sic), Monday, 25 January 2010 22:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Yes, Schizo 4 is on the nominations list.
― RR, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:02 (fourteen years ago) link
And here, finally, is the updated nominations list:
20th Century Boys -Naoki Urasawa28th Street5299 Ways to Tell a Story -Matt Madden100 Bullets100 Demons -Barry676 apparitions of Killoffer -KillofferA Drifting Life -Yoshihiro TatsumiAchewood -Chris OnstadAcme Comics Library #18 -Chris WareAcme Comics Library #19 -Chris WareAction Comics -Geoff JohnsAgainst Pain -Ron RegeAge of Bronze -ShanowerAir -G. Willow WilsonAlan's War -GuibertAlias -Bendis and GaydosAlice in Sunderland -Bryan TalbotAll-Star SupermanAngry Youth Comics -Johnny RyanAsterios Polyp -David MazzuchelliAstonishing X-Men -Whedon and CassadayAtlas -Dylan HorrocksAutomatic Kafka -Joe Casey and Ashley WoodB&TB (Waid/Perez issues)Babel –David BBatman (Grant Morrison's run)Batman: Year One HundredBig In Japan -Seth FisherBirds of Prey (Simone's run only) -Gail Simone and variousBJ And Da DogsBlack Hole -Charles BurnsBlack Panther volume 4 -Hudlin, Jason Aaron, Jefte Palo and variousBlankets -Craig ThompsonBlue Monday -Chynna ClugstonBodyworldBone (2000-2004)Bottomless Bellybutton -Dash ShawCairo -G. Willow WilsonCan't get no -Rick VeitchCaptain America v5 (The Winter Soldier arc especially) - Brubaker and EptingCarnet de Voyage -Craig ThompsonCasanova -Matt Fraction with Gabriel Ba and othersCastle Waiting -MedleyCatwoman -Brubaker, Cooke, Stewart and othersCola Madnes -PanterCourtney Crumrin -Ted NaifehCriminal -Ed Brubaker and Sean PhillipsCrogan's VengeanceCromartie High SchoolCrossing Midnight -Mike Carey, Jim Fern and Eric NguyenCul De SacDaredevil -Bendis and MaleevDaredevil -Lark and BrubakerDark Knight Strikes Again -Frank Miller and Lynn VarleyDC's The New Frontier -Darwyn CookeDead Enders -Ed BrubakerDeath Note -Obata and OhbaDemo -Brian Wood and Becky CloonanDetective Comics -Paul DiniDMZ -Brian WoodDoktor Sleepless -Warren EllisDungeon -TrondheimDykes to Watch Out For (strips from the 00s only) -Alison BechdelEgo & Hubris: The Michael Malice Story -Harvey Pekar and Gary DummEightball #23 -Daniel ClowesElmerElvis Road- X. Robel and H. ReumannEmbroideries -Marjane SatrapiEpileptic -David BEssex County -Jeff LemireEx Machina -Vaughan and HarrisExit Wounds -Rutu ModanFables -Bill WillinghamFell -Warren Ellis and Ben TemplesmithFight or Run: Shadow of the ChopperFinal CrisisFinder: Talisman -Carla Speed McNeilFreakangels -Warren EllisFred The Clown -LangridgeFun home -Alison BechdelGangesGantz -Hiroya OkuGenesis -Robert CrumbGeorge Sprott - SethGhost of HoppersGlobal Frequency - Warren Ellis with various artistsGloriana -Kevin HuizengaGod gold and Golems -SturmGødlandGongwanadon -Tom HerpichGotham Central -Ed Brubaker, Greg Rucka and Michael LarkGreat Lakes Avengers: Misassembled -Dan Slott, Paul Pelletier and Rick MagyarGreen Lantern -Geoff JohnsGreen Lantern Corps (ongoing series) -Dave Gibbons, Peter Tomasi and variousGreyshirt: Indigo Sunset -VeitchGrotesque (3 issues) -Sergio PonchioneGus -Chris BlainHeavy Liquid -Paul PopeHopeless Savages -Jan Van MeterHuman Target (the graphic novel and the series that followed it) -Peter Milligan, Javier Pulido and Cliff ChiangI Killed Adolf Hitler -JasonI shall destroy all the civilized planets afterword -KarasikIce Haven -Daniel ClowesImmortal Iron Fist -Brubaker and Fraction, David Aja and othersIncredible Hercules –Pak, Van Lente, et alIron Man (the Fraction/Larocca run)Isaac the Pirate -Cristophe BlainJamilti & other stories -Rutu ModanJohnny Hiro -Fred ChaoKing-Cat 57-70 -John PorcellinoKlezmer -Joann SfarKramers Ergot 4 -variousKramers Ergot 7 -variousKurosagi Corpse Delivery ServiceLa Perdida -Jessica AbelLeague of Extraordinary GentlemenLes petits reins -Lewis TrondheimLife Sucks -Jessica Abel, Gabe Soria and Warren PleeceLolcat internet meme -variousLouis Riel –Chester BrownLove and Rockets -Los Bros HernandezLove The Way You Love -Jamie S. RichLubaLuciferMaakies -Tony MillionaireMadrox -Peter David and Pablo RaimondiMaggots -Brian ChippendaleMarvel Zombies -Robert Kirkman, Sean Phillips and Arthur SuydamMarvel Zombies 2 -Robert Kirkman, Sean Phillips and Arthur SuydamMarvel Zombies 3 -Fred van Lente and Kev WalkerMasterpiece Comics -SikoryakMatt Kindt: Super SpyMister O -Lewis TrondheimMonsieur Jean -Philippe Dupuy and Charles BerberianMother Come Home -HornscheimerMy Brain is Hanging Upside Down -David HeatleyNate Turner -Kyle BakerNextwave: Agents of H.A.T.E.New Avengers -Bendis and various artistsNew Engineering -Yuichi YokoyamaNew X-MenNijihara HolographNinja -Brian ChippendaleNotes for a War Story -GipiOmega the Unknown -Lethem and DalrympleOrdinary Victories -LarcenetOr ElseOvercompensating -Jeffrey RowlandParker: The Hunter -Darwyn CookePaul Has a Summer Job -Michel RabagliatiPenny ArcadePersepolis-Marjane SatrapiPetey and Pussy -KeirschbaumPim & Francie: The Golden Bear Days (except for the Biologic Show reprints) -Al ColumbiaPlanet HulkPlanetesPlastic Man -Kyle BakerPluto -Naoki UrasawaPowers -Bendis and OemingPowr Mastrs -CFPrison Pit -Johnny RyanPromethea -MoorePulverizeQueen and Country -Rucka and variousRasl -SmithRunaways (Vaughan's run only, ie volumes 1 and 2) -Brian K. Vaughan and variousSafe area gorazde –Joe SaccoSatiro-Plastic -Gary PanterScary-Go-Round -John AllisonSchizo 4 (except for the stuff done in 1999) -Ivan BrunettiScooter Girl -Chynna ClugstonScott Pilgrim -Bryan Lee O'MalleySeaguySeven soldiers of victory -Grant Morrison and othersShortcomings -Adrian TomineShrimpy and Paul - Marc BellSilver Surfer: Requiem -J. Michael Straczynski and Esad RibicSkibber bee bye -Ron RegeSkyscrapers of the Midwest -Josh CotterSleeperSloth -GilbertSmax -Alan Moore and Zander CannonSolo -Darwyn CookeSolo -Brendan McCarthySpecial Forces -Kyle BakerSshhh! -JasonStitches -David SmallStrangers in Paradise (00s material only) -Terry MooreSuper F*ckers –James KochalkaTales Designed To Thrizzle -Michael KuppermanTamara Drewe -Posy SimmondsThe Amazing Remarkable Monsieur Leotard -Eddie CampbellThe Bamboo Samurai -Taiyou Matsumoto and Issei EifukuThe Boys -Ennis, Robertson and variousThe Education of Hopey GlassThe Fate Of The Artist -Eddie CampbellThe Filth -Grant Morrison, Chris Weston and Gary ErskineThe Intimates -Joe Casey and Giuseppe CamuncoliThe Last Day -Dave Sim and GerhardThe Last Musketeer -JasonThe Left Bank Gang -JasonThe Madame Paul Affair -Julie DoucetThe Mourning Star -StrzepekThe Nightly News -Jonathan HickmanThe Originals -Dave GibbonsThe Perry Bible FellowshipThe Photographer -GuibertThe Quitter -Harvey Pekar and Dean HaspielThe Rabbi's Cat -Joann SfarThe Rabbi's Cat 2 -Joann SfarThe Salon -Nick BertozziThe Spirit (Darwyn Cooke's run)The Summer of Love -Debbie DrechslerThe UltimatesThe Unwritten (pre 2010 issues only) -Mike CareyThe World Below -ChadwickThor -J. Michael StraczynskiThree Shadows -PedrosaThunderbolts -Warren EllisTiempos finales -Samuel HitiTop 10Transmetropolitan (last two years) -Warren EllisTravelTreasury of Victorian Murder - GearyTricked -Alex RobinsonUsagi Yojimbo -SakaiVagabond -InoueVimanaramaWalking Dead -Robert Kirkman and Charlie AdlardWally Gropius strips (from Mome) -Tim HensleyWE3 -Morrison and QuitelyWeasel -Dave CooperWhy Are You Doing This? -JasonWhy I Killed Peter -Alfred and KaWillworld - DeMatteis and FisherWimbledon Green -SethWolverine: Enemy of the State -Mark Millar and John Romita, JrX-Factor -Peter DavidX-Force/X-Statix -Milligan and AllredY the Last Man -Brian K. VaughanYotsuba&! -Kiyohiko AzumaYou'll Never Know -Carol TylerYoung Liars -David Lapham
I'll now tackle the backlog of unanswered questions.
― RR, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:17 (fourteen years ago) link
definitely would like The Photographer by Guibert on there.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:21 (fourteen years ago) link
No American Elf? And I'll second a nomination for The Photographer.
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
Wasn't Cola Madnes a reprint?
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:34 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh just noticed The Photographer on there.
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link
whoops, right under "The". my bad.
― forksclovetofu, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:00 (fourteen years ago) link
Can you add Mister i?
― fit and working again, Wednesday, 27 January 2010 17:37 (fourteen years ago) link
missed "the '00s Alec"
― see also cockfarmer fanbases (sic), Thursday, 28 January 2010 03:38 (fourteen years ago) link
no Losers?
― don't mind me: just exhuming dead horses... (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 30 January 2010 14:26 (fourteen years ago) link
"this is gonna be an ol' fashioned write-in poll and not a pick one, ah hopes?" (forksclovetofu, 11.16.09) and "How many votes are we going to get with this? My top ten, say, are probably all here, but maybe not my top twenty." (sandy, 12.8.09) To both questions: I don't know -haven't decided yet.
"Big In Japan gets a bit pointlessly superhero by the end but the first issue is so gleeful and amazing. the sandwich!(actually I'd happily change my nomination just to #1)" (sic, 12.16.09)
Done.
― RR, Tuesday, 9 February 2010 22:49 (fourteen years ago) link
Questions for Philip Nunez:
"there was an israeli compilation called red salmon or something? I don't know about best, but it was pretty good." (12.8.09) and "oh the israeli anthology is called dead herring not red salmon! here is an excellent comic that was in it: " (12.9.09)
Do you want dead herring to be included in the nominations list? Or the comic that you linked to (as its own entry)?
"scott mccloud's google chrome comic is a very good encapsulation of the 00s." (12.8.09)
Do you want it to be included in the nominations list?
― RR, Wednesday, 10 February 2010 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link
I think Planetary by Warren Ellis deserves a nomination.
― AJD, Saturday, 13 February 2010 22:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Arg -I'm so sorry, but I'm going to have to put this poll on hold for a while as life is very busy for me at the moment. I'll try to finish it sometime in the next few months but can't guarantee it.
Repeat: POLL IS ON HOLD UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
Place your bets on how long it'll take me to actually finish it. Earth, swallow me...
― RR, Monday, 15 February 2010 19:46 (fourteen years ago) link
I'd vote for Planetary but I figured it was 90s. I just caught up on Ex Machina, which is excellent. I wish the library carried the collected books of The Boys like it does for Ex Machina, Fables and others. $120 is a bit pricey for six of those slim volumes that would only take a few hours to read.
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 19 February 2010 21:39 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh man, I just saw that Ex Machina only has 3 issues left until the conclusion. I'm excited to read it, but sorry it'll be over. For someone who's reading Doktor Sleepless (if Ellis ever gets it going again), Fables and The Unwritten, what else is recommended?
― Fastnbulbous, Friday, 19 February 2010 21:50 (fourteen years ago) link