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Well, obviously Big Numbers, but also Gaiman and Zulli's "Sweeny Todd" and Bissette's "Tyrant."

And you?

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:35 (twenty years ago)

More Top 10, pls (which may not have been unfinished, technically, but it feels like there should be more).

I read Halo Jones over the weekend and it's completely great. I thought the last issue (er, episode) was perfect, but I understand that there was supposed to be much more?

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 16 May 2005 19:48 (twenty years ago)

I believe there's a Top 10-related graphic novel coming out this month or next!

There were indeed supposed to be 7 more Halo Jones books after the first 3.

If I mention D'arc Tangent, will anybody know what I'm talking about?

Douglas (Douglas), Monday, 16 May 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Alph-Art, duh.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 16 May 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

> If I mention D'arc Tangent, will anybody know what I'm talking about?

Only very vaguely. I used to know a guy who was a Phil Foglio completist/fanatic.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh yes, also "Lost Girls" although I have reason to believe that actually WILL be competed someday relatively soon.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 16 May 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

HELLBOY.

Le (Leee), Monday, 16 May 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

I'm reliably informed that "Lost Girls" is actually done, but the production part is taking a very very very long time--it may come out for this Xmas, maybe not until next year.

Douglas (Douglas), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 01:27 (twenty years ago)

Is Hellboy unfinished? I think of it more as continuing.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 01:58 (twenty years ago)

It is supposed to be continuing, but the last HB release is almost 3 years old, and I'd heard that Mignola's having trouble writing the follow-up (Hellboy in Hell) while working on anything else that isn't HB.

L (Leee), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Now that I've said that, I find out that there's going to be an HB mini this June called "The Island."

L (Leee), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

I'm sure there were supposed to be seven Halo Jones books, not seven more.

As for D'Arc Tangent, i think I still have the one and only issue somewhere in my mother's loft.

David Simpson (David Simpson), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

"1963" - although I think it may have been about to go sucky.

DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

"The Last Galactus Story," except I only want it to be "finished" by old John Byrne, not new John Byrne, so the discovery of a completed and carbon-dated manuscript would have to be involved.

If Alan Moore predeceases Byrne, JB should do "Twilight of the Superheroes."

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Dr. Doom's Time Machine Square to thread!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

I hate that I typed "John Byrne" so much just now.

While the time machine is here, though, I'd like to shop in the alternate universe where Animal Man lasted exactly as many issues as it did here, except they were all written by Morrison.

Also: Rick Veitch's Swamp Thing (followed by Neil Gaiman's).

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Morrison didn't write all the Animal Man issues??

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

steve bissette was at the art school here a few weeks ago and had a number of interesting things to say. He was incredibly nice, generous, patient, and gave out free copies of tyrant to everyone.

(1) He said that one issue of Tyrant takes him a year to finish, mostly b/c of the infinite amount of research that he puts into it. He gave the impression that he's pretty much done with comics and is just finishing up a book on vermont film and teaching at james sturm's comics college. It seemed kind of sad.

(2) He told the secret story of 1963, which was pretty interesting. He was originally approached by Jim Valentino just as a contact to get Alan Moore. Moore expressed his disapproval but said something like 'Well, it's up to you. If you want to do it, we can do it. It'd be great to work with you again.' So the deal was supposed to have been announced at that years san diego con, which SB descrbied as being like a third reich rally (with the image artists as the teen-worshipped idols). Jim Valentino made the announcement and then Jim Lee out of nowhere cut in and--to steal JV's thunder--said "And I'm doing the annual!" All the teens in the audience, SB said, cheered, probably b/c he's the only one they'd heard of. While SB seemed really happy with 1963 financially (he said he paid his full year's rent with it and ran off to do Tyrant), he seemed disatisfied artistically. They can't collect it, b/c there's no end.

kenchen, Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

There were like a hundred issues or something post-Morrison (or maybe a hundred issues total, it's been a while) -- Animal Man lasted through the whole Vertigo split, Maxine (for reasons they never quite explained) became less and less human, Buddy (who became pretty much the Swamp Thing of animals) took over the world because it was being mean to the animals ... they're not likely to ever be collected.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

I'm pretty sure "taking over the world to teach it a lesson" was actually that era of Vertigo's equivalent of "two superheroes come to blows over some sort of misunderstanding," really.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Haha, I had no idea! I just assumed it ended after Morrison's run, although he did leave it open for whatever (which btw is my absolute favorite example of the writer taking it as far as humanly possible before snapping continuity right back to exactly where he or she found it).

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

I got most of the olde Swamp Thing series in an eBay bonanza, and I was REALLY irked that the Rick Veitch Jesus crap happened just as I was really getting into his run. His last issue was great!

Speaking of JB - I kinda wish he followed through w/ Next Men instead of cutting out after just 2+ years. I think my work ethic is actually patterned after JB's - work on something for a while, and then bail like it's taking on water.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Here's some stuff on post-GM Animal Man: http://www.sequart.com/animalman.htm (click on the "the following eras are available" links bottomwards). I bought every single one of them! I honestly can't figure out why now, except that I was 17-19 and that kind of white-knuckled earnestness must have appealed to me in a pheromonal kind of way.

The farm became a kind of commune, a haven for environmentalist outcasts -- including Annie Cassidy, a woman who also was in contact with the Red, and her daughter named Lucy who began a relationship with Cliff -- a relationship they consummated in animal passion. Buddy, overwhelmed by the Red, again adopted the body of the hybrid animal avatar and flew to Washington, D.C., where he attacked the city with all kinds of animals, trying to pressure humanity to change its ways.

Major traits of Vertigo at the time:

* Everyone sleeps with everyone.

* New religions, cults, vague and/or tacked-on allusions to shamanism, gnosticism, and cyberinfophiliamemeticwhoosis.

* Taking over the world for its own darn good.

* Having phenomenal cosmic power but not getting all capey about it.

* That issue of Shade where he turns into a dance floor and falls in love with the deaf chick.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

That issue of Shade where he turns into a dance floor and falls in love with the deaf chick.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Day Of Vengeance, you will be thrilled to know, puts the Red in current continuity.

Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)

I take it 'the Red' is like Swamp Thing's 'the Green'?

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Yep, I don't remember if he can travel through it, though. And I'm pretty sure if he CAN travel through it, he can't make a local node body out of ambient fauna. Which sucks.

Tep (ktepi), Tuesday, 17 May 2005 15:54 (twenty years ago)

> Also: Rick Veitch's Swamp Thing (followed by Neil Gaiman's).

which in turn leads us to: Miracleman

> I take it 'the Red' is like Swamp Thing's 'the Green'?

doesn't swamp thing have it's own red (and blue, and transparent, and rock-color?) these days. didn't he progress from being earth elemental to being an 'everything elemental'? (only to give it all away again at the start of volume 4. i get confused. i liked it better when it was about evil monkeys.)

koogs (koogs), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of Mircaleman, I read someplace that McFarlane had Michael Moran (anagram - miracleman ho) running around in the background of some issues of Spawn. He never said Kimota or nothin', but he was going to before some legal action was threatened. Man, would that have been a sucky way to continue The Silver Age.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

So anyway, put that one in the "Unfinished Comics You Most Want To See Never Even Started" cubbyhole.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

It was in Hellspawn.

BEING A SAD MIRACLEMEN FANBOY, I WAS ACTUALLY BUYING IT IN THE HOPE THE MIKE MORAN PLOT WOULD END UP IN MIRACLEMAN APPEARING.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha - URA miraclemanho!

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

New Universe owns this thread.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

i want Steve Gerber, not some fly-by night 'author', to finish Omega the Unknown

Andrew J L, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:36 (twenty years ago)

doesn't swamp thing have it's own red (and blue, and transparent, and rock-color?) these days. didn't he progress from being earth elemental to being an 'everything elemental'? (only to give it all away again at the start of volume 4. i get confused. i liked it better when it was about evil monkeys.)

Yeah, I've lost track too. It actually gets more confusing the more you read in a sitting -- there was the pre-Vertigo "cosmology" of elementals ("elementalology?") which had Gaea or some damn thing appointing Swamp Thing, Red Tornado, Firestorm, and .. Captain Atom? ... as the four elementals. Then that was ignored, and other elementals didn't come up, except for Animal Man's thing over in his own book. Then the Morrison-Millar run ignored most of what had gone in the book and did their thing with Swampy's Lestat-like power-ups (i.e. the everything elemental). Then Tefe got her own book, I didn't read it, it got cancelled, and Animal Man showed up again and Aquaman became the Elemental of the ... Clear.

The new book rearranged ST's power levels into something more writeable, but the specifics have gone in one ear and out the other -- I don't remember if he's actually lost any of his M&M-bestowed elemental status.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

"Buddy realized that everyone jointly formed the body of God -- and the Soul of the World. Shortly after he defeated the Spider Queen, Annie gave birth to his second daughter, never given a name but said to be the human incarnation of the collective World Soul."

Oy.

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Just re-read GM's run yesterday, oddly enough. It's still gr8, but I think even more now, how the shit did he get away with it?

Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

DC's a bunch of suckas!

David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

I think DC at the time was in a sort of phase the way Marvel's coming into now -- not similar in terms of content per se, but willing to put a lot of material out that doesn't seem to fit them or their previous successes. It was around the same time as Gaiman's Black Orchid, wasn't it? And right after (I think) the bizarre Shadow comics that are probably still the strangest thing DC's done outside of an imprint.

Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 23:55 (twenty years ago)

DC at the time: "That Alan Moore won't write for us anymore, let's hope every other writer we can find in the British Isles can repeat his success for us"


UNFINISHED KEITH GIFFEN COMICS (that you may or may not want to see):

Dominion (one issue of an ongoing, then dead)
Reign Of The Zodiac (eight issues? of 144 - who knows, no-one cares)
Punx (three of four issues on a first miniseries, a one-off that was meant to be between the first and second miniseries, and a bunch of prelude sequences for the second miniseries)
Vext (six or seven issues of an ongoing-with-plot)
The Heckler (six or seven issues of an ongoing-without-so-much-of-a-plot)
LSH v4 (a whole three awesome issues into what became his 36-issue run [even that was shorter than he planned] before they had to reboot the universe twice to make M!ke Car1!n stop crying)
The March Hare (one issue of an open-ended series)

who can remember more? or knows about Marvel (or Erik Larsenverse) ones?

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:02 (twenty years ago)


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