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― Huk-L, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Beast is going to look like a motherfucker with some dark secrets.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

OH MY GOD

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

It's too bad that Patrick Stewart's already Professor X (and kind of old), and it's also too bad that Derek Jacobi is kind of old. But, hell, BRING IT!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

So is Bebe Neuwirth gonna be his estranged GF / intrepid news reporter?

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

David Hyde-Pierce as Lil' Beast!

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Argh.

― Leon Federline (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Huk, don't even think of joking about a Scrappy Doo type of thing happening.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

So they're not going with 'charming and ambiguously gay' Beast, but instead 'smarmy one night stands with flight attendants' Beast?

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

"coke-fueled binge beast"

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Sideshow Bob Beast

― Mark C (Markco), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

This is absolutely impeccable casting.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

What are they going to do about the bounding and leaping and such?

Yes, the second film would have been in a tricky situation if it hadn't been for character actor Alan Cumming's previously unknown kung-fu/teleportation skills.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, i don't expect Grammer will spent much time On Set. In the audio booth, you bet, but On Set, nuh-uh. Unless they film in Mtl again, because I hear he likes the tittays.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

How has Frasier Crane ever not come across as not being ambiguously gay? Well, more closeted. But whatever! I think he's perfect for the role.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Nobody's mentioning VINNIE JONES AS THE JUGGERNAUT.

"yer wot my psarkic-powered arf-bruvvah??? nuffink can stop the juggernaut innit."

― Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

This is because none of us know who Vinnie Jones is.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

AS IT SHOULD BE.

― Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 16:55 (twenty years ago)

He's the soccer goon from Lock, Stock, etc, right? Once again, another role Derek Jacobi's too old for, but, hey, it happens.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if Mickey Rourke was approached (& turned it down for fear of being type cast as That Comic Book Goon Guy).

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

i assume they're going to drop this business about juggernaut being prof x's half-brother plus all the magic nonsense, right?? there are already so many characters in these movies, it's a wonder how they're going to make it work,

― dave k, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Even money says they won't.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

won't make it work, that is.
Sequels with new directors are almost always as bad as prequels with same directors.

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 17:58 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, my hopes are dimmed for this one. Not because of Frasier McCoy, though.

Speaking of movies, I dunno if there was a thread on this: did anyone else see that Sam Raimi said Sony wanted to do a total of six Spider-Man movies, and that he planned to direct all of them?

― Tep (ktepi), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

W00T!

PLEASE NO VENOM

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

Does this mean we get three more movies of Willem Dafoe cackling inside James Franco's head in the final reel and then finally in the last one he finally puts on the evil elf shoes?

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

Oh, if wishes were horses, I'd shoot that one right now.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

But delay its release, right?

― Huk-L, Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:41 (twenty years ago)

i r pwned

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 18 May 2005 18:43 (twenty years ago)

I've been really disappointed in some of Raimi's Spidey 3 talk, in that he doesn't seem to consider Harry-Hobgoblin the obvious choice of villains, and cast that fucking "if they had an Oscar for the most obvious attempt at an Oscar grab, this face right now is a face I'm making while trying to grab THAT Oscar, that's how fucking meta of an Oscar-grab this is" Sideways dork as God knows who -- but the six movie talk might explain it.

Six movies, where MJ and Harry knows Spidey's identity in the back four, is a dodgy proposition -- but the way I figured it, the movies have done well enough that Sony is bound to make too many of them, and Raimi's efforts will probably come out better than a replacement director's would. It's like I wouldn't want to see Godfather IV, but I want to see Michael Bay's Godfather IV even less than that.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 19 May 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

That came out just north of incoherent. I'm tired. The remix:

Spidey good.

Six Spidey < good*6.

Six Spidey.Raimi > Six Spidey.!Raimi

Sideways sucked.

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 19 May 2005 02:45 (twenty years ago)

Isn't it pretty much predetermined that Harry Osbourne is the villain of Spidey 3? My understanding is that Thomas Haden Church was going to be the villain for the b story, a la Catwoman and Penguin in the second Batman movie.

― Matthew C Perpetua (inca), Thursday, 19 May 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Or if we're unlucky Riddler and Two Face.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 May 2005 11:14 (twenty years ago)

I am weeping over the Vinnie Jones thing.

Who will be playing Maggott?

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 19 May 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

~~Christopher Ecclestone~~Billie Piper

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 19 May 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

That's what I would have thought, but Raimi had said otherwise prior to THC's casting, and I don't remember seeing much from him since. Without postponing it to a fourth film -- like if Harry's off getting ready for revenge or whatever -- I don't see how you can avoid a Harry/Spidey face-off, but Harry could take a more Jameson-like role and create the supervillains rather than become one.

(He'd still be the villain in that case, of course, he just wouldn't be Hobgoblin. Even that seems a step back from where Spidey 2 left Harry.)

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 19 May 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

I imagine casting THC (oh the initials) as Mysterio would be perfect for his newfound actor-playing-bad-actor niche.

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 19 May 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

They should get Famke Janssen to show up as Osbourne Sr's previously unrevealed daughter, THE HOTGOBLIN.

― Huk-L, Thursday, 19 May 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

Vinnie Jones inside a giant bin - not something you need to be able to act to do.

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 19 May 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

HUK FOR PRESIDENT

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 May 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

I wonder is J@mes Franco is getting tired of waiting in the evil villian wings.
Also, Vinnie Jones? Is he going to attack Magneto with bacardi drinks?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 19 May 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Topher Grace cast in Spidey 3. As a villain? He just screams Ned Leeds to me....

― David N (David N.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Johnny Storm?

― Huk-L, Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Ben Reilly!

― Tep (ktepi), Thursday, 19 May 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

Flash Thompson!

― David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 19 May 2005 22:07 (twenty years ago)

Dan, surely you mean HUK FOR PRIME MISTER?

― L (Leee), Friday, 20 May 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

nuffink can stop the juggernaut innit.

hahahahaha

― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Friday, 20 May 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

OH GOD WHAT IF:

THC = VENOM
Topher = CARNAGE

??!??!?!?!??!?!??

― David R. (popshots75`), Friday, 20 May 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

Aaaagh.

On the one hand: in the movie universe, Venom and Carnage could be the result of Harry trying to recreate the combination of spider-chemicals that turned Peter into Spider-Man. You can easily introduce them together, shared origin, no disbelief creep with more and more villain origins in each new movie ...

On the other: I don't buy either actor as a convincing villain, and much less as insanely lunatic psycho killer villains as opposed to bank-robbing scheme-hatching types.

― Tep (ktepi), Friday, 20 May 2005 23:16 (twenty years ago)

I think if Topher is cast to play Venom, he'd have to gain a lot more weight to have to same physique as Spiderman (aka: Tubby Maguire).

― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Monday, 23 May 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Skipping 102 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

okay um even though this is an x-men thread, can we talk about Topher Grace playing EDDIE BROCK (but not EDDIE BROCK/VENOM) in Spider-Man 3 and also Dylan Baker as THE LIZARD and Rob Howard's daughter as Gwen Stacy (bringing the low-rent Mary Jane parallel to the forefront!) and zomg will this movie be good or not?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 29 May 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Dylan Baker YESSSSSSSSS

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Monday, 29 May 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

also culled from the IMDb message boards so take it with a grain of salt: http://liquidsilver77.tripod.com/052706_tobeyspiderman3.jpg [Doesn't work as a hyperlink; cut/paste should work. -Your Friendly Neighborhood Moderator.]

ZOMG IS THE SYMBIOTE GOING TO BE UP IN THIS SHIT?

Maybe Harry (who is um def. not going all costumed villain in this one sorry) will be responsible for bringing the symbiote to earth/spidey?

― Jessie the Monster (scarymonsterrr), Monday, 29 May 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

X-Men 3 was fucking terrific, you hosers.
I much prefer the film's explanation of the phoenix to the insipid retconning of busiek et al, too.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

I know its not popular around here to say so, but Cyclops gets the bummest of all bum deals in this film. No one therein cares about him.

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

i think the film's explanation of the phoenix was just claremont's explanation of the phoenix, no?

cyclops deserves all the killing he gets.

― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:24 (nineteen years ago)

As big a bag of douche as he was, he shouldn't have been killed offscreen.

― c(''c) (Leee), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

Famke Jansen actually played just such a hot high school English Teacher in the Faculty, did she not?

X3 - awful awful awful.

Hollywood should stop making all Superhero movies for at least a decade. Except the Batman sequel , and Spidey 3, since its nearly done anyway. If anybody needs convincing, please refer to the Ghost Rider trailer.

― David N (David N.), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

well, unless there is a more recent iteration that I don't know, Claremont and Byrne said that at first that an omnipotent energy creature bonded with JG; then, the retcon was that the creature took jean's place, while she languished in the Hudson bay.

the film says that the Phoenix is just a manifestation of Jean's id, and the Jean we knew from the other films (played by the so, so bangable Janssen) was the super-ego.

so, no. its quite different.

and no one gave a fuck that the leader of the team died. whether you like him or not, that's sloppy plotting and characterization.

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

sorry! the first iteration was by Claremont and Cockrum.

― veronica moser (veronica moser), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

Oh God that Ghost Rider trailer. Everyone in the theatre was stunned into WTF silence.
X3 was so poorly paced compared to the first 2 films. It was about 30 minutes of could have been interesting build-up plot vs. an hour of boring fite scenes with random pyrotechnics in the background. What was with the Wicca Phoenix at the Goth fair in the woods scenes? Just sort of lame. Plus, no Gambit.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

Of course proper the Pheonix story should just be she has too much power, she is seduced by power and despite her underlying good nature is too dangerous to be allowed to live. The first two films build this up nicely, increase in power, inability to control up to a point - and her sacrifice too.

The third film ignores this build up (surely Prof X would have been worried that her powers were increasing) and uses split personality as a way of "saving" the other Jean persona from blame = lame. It still works but misses the decent slow build potential. A film with her back to life, more powerful, not sure how or why culminating in her killing Cyke and destroying stuff leading to a fourth film where she gets completely consumed by their powers.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

yes that would have been good - they could have had her killing cyclops at the end of this one in the big fite and then had the hellfire club seducing her and x-meng and magneto teaming up to destroy her in the next one.

― Mark Co (Markco), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

except that they killed their version of Mastermind in X2.
some of you guys are treading dangerously close to imdb message board territory.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

WAHT DO YOU NOW NUB?!?1!??//1?!

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:42 (nineteen years ago)

WTF NO GABMIT

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

Reminder: the Hellfire Club weren't cool.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, not to pigpile on Jocelyn, but GAMBIT??!?! I figured Omega Marrow covered the Rub X-Mutie requirement for this flick just fine.

That said, no Artie in X4 = no credibility.

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

All I know is if Cable gets a movie:

1) Director = UWE BOLL
2) Cable = RUTGER HAUER (circa The Hitcher)

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

3) Rachel Summers = MISCHA BARTON

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's just what the X-Films need. Cable or Bishop.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

some of you guys are treading dangerously close to imdb message board territory.

haha says the guy increasingly enraged by the fact that people didn't like the latest x-men movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

4) Bishop = CARL WEATHERS

― David R. (popshots75`), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

As I said on the ile thread, the problem for me with this movie was that there were about a gajillion new characters introduced, about thirty old characters killed off, and no reason given to care about any of it. sound and fury signifying nothingpaws. Also, the twist at the end showing the anti-power potion doesn't even really work that more than a few days meant there was no point to all the conflict in the first place.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Wednesday, 31 May 2006 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

An Iraq parable for the ages do you see??

― c(''c) (Leee), Wednesday, 31 May 2006 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

I was pissed off by the lack of character development- Pyro's still a whiney little grump but it doesn't go any deeper than that. Beast was agile the first and last time you saw him, but the rest of the time he stomped around like a horse. Yeah Cyclops was totally whipped but he deserved a better end. Basically, Ratner wanted to make this movie for 13-year-old boys who only want see stuff and don't really care about story.

Arclight. Oh yeah. Clap Your Hands Say Dead. Coolest new mutant.

― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 1 June 2006 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, did anyone stay past the credits?

― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I want whatever creme Prof. X is using. HIS SKIN IS FANTASTIC!

― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

stayed past the credits, had to pee so bad, was not worth the bladder discomfort.

― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Halle Berry's an awful actress, and Storm's my least favorite major X-Men character. Combine that with the fact that she gets more screen time, while still not really doing anything important, and perhaps you'll understand why I didn't really care for this movie. Even when approached from a non-fanboy, non-comics reading perspective, I don't really see how this movie could be all that satisfying. Although Moira MacTaggart plus Miss Cross is an almost overpowering collision of youthful fictional crushes.

― barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

I am not enough of an X-Nerd to understand

a - which characters were Moira and Cross

b - what their significance is in greater X-dom.

Explain me plz.

― Keywords: revenge, knife, granddaughter, demonic-possession, rock-star, eel (Aus, Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

Moira MacTaggart: Scottish doctor seen on a video tape and in the supersecret final scene. She's some sorta scientist/doctor type who does research on them mutants out on her special little island. Used to date Professor X, but traded down for Banshee.

Miss Cross: same actress's character in the movie Rushmore.

― barefoot manthing (Garrett Martin), Thursday, 1 June 2006 12:54 (nineteen years ago)

Stayed to the end too. Didn't know what would happen, just knew something would. That was pretty lame, esp if/since this is the last of the X-Men trilogy. WHO CARES?
Was one of Magneto's Brotherhood Mutants transgendered?
Frasier McCoy was actually pretty good aside from the noted lack of action. I was expecting a lot more scenery chewing (ala everything else KG's done).
I think Cyke got the short end because he could only shoot a few days because he had to go shoot Superman with Singer. ONLY 27 MORE DAYS

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 June 2006 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Was one of Magneto's Brotherhood Mutants transgendered?

I assume you're talking about Arclight. It's a girl, although a manly looking girl. High Fashion doesn't require you to be pretty, just 6 feet tall and 115 pounds.

― Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yup.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 1 June 2006 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

YOU ALL MUST LIKE IT OR YOU'RE IMDB BOARD NERDS QWEO[R23940258 bahahh!hh!!!@#

― chaki (chaki), Thursday, 1 June 2006 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that was fun. Ish. Thorts:

Why is Magnetos army composed entirely of goths? Would it hurt to have one guy who preferred a light summer suit to be an evil mutant?
Not enough Madrox, although he has one of the more SFX-heavy powers so I guess he couldn't do too much.
"I'm the Juggernaut bitch" = internet having far too much power.
Lots of shitty lines that could have been cut. "Way to go furball" etc. And yet Magneto hasn't got time to acknowledge his old friend and also arch-nemesis's dessicated corpse.
Worst "I love you" in the history of cinema.
REALLY ACE ENDING! Understated wobbling = the new giant explosion.
My suspension of disbelief was suspended from the most obvious wire evah. It was like watching George Reeves.
WHERE WAS KID OMEGA??? Was he turn-TV-on child?
"Oh Charrrles, I liiiike this one..." Yes, Sir Ian, I know this is just a bit of harmless fun for you but please don't make your character a big paedo.

Anyway, better than FF and about a billion times better than Daredevil. Packed a nice old punch in places and it was a shock when the deadies got deaded despite internet spoilers. Plus the final final post-credits scene was a genuine surprise, despite obv foreshadowing.

― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

how did it end again?

― tom west (thomp), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

Magnetochess.

― 100% CHAMPS with a Yes! Attitude. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 7 June 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Ah hah, that explains my bitching. I never saw FF or Daredevil! I'd probably be a lot more impressed with this film if I'd put up with either of those.

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 8 June 2006 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

In the newspaper today, the X3 ad has a blurb from M0ri4rty of Kewl Gnus, Ain't It? saying "THE MOVIE GODS ANSWERED MY PRAYERS."

I don't what's more disconcerting: Internet Nerds With "Clout" or the fact that M0e ended that utterance with just a regular period rather than an exclamation mark.

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 9 June 2006 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

― omg sp@m, Saturday, 10 June 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

MODS CHANGE 'ANIMALS' TO 'MUTANTS' PLZ

― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Saturday, 10 June 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

― of spammatology, Monday, 12 June 2006 12:00 (nineteen years ago)

I assume you're talking about Arclight. It's a girl, although a manly looking girl.

This is actually pretty good casting - Arclight was a Marauder, and always was pretty manly-looking, though a bit, er, thicker than they went with for the movie....[/fanboy]

Which sucked. There is no defense. None. It was just a bad movie.

Which doesn't mean I won't line up for Rutger Hauer in Cable. Nice call.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 02:16 (nineteen years ago)

zomg, J4m3s M4rsd3n listens to:

Kind of Blue
1999
Sgt. Pepper's
ZZ Top - "La Grange"

― c(''c) (Leee), Thursday, 22 June 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

Livejournal done good! Nice article here about X-Men 3 and bad father figures.

http://truepenny.livejournal.com/445788.html

― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Friday, 23 June 2006 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

This poll is a joke.

― ILC METATRON, Monday, 26 June 2006 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

Damn-damn!

― Vic F (Vic Fluro), Monday, 26 June 2006 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

The spammers know us so well!

― c(''c) (Leee), Monday, 26 June 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

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