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Prompted by my borrowing Heer/Worcester Arguing Comics, Literary Masters on a Popular Medium from the library.

This looks like a pretty interesting anthology, although the essays finish about 45 years ago with Umberto Eco on Superman. An essay I've never read btw, although I love Eco and Superman.

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Friday, 29 July 2005 23:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually, come to think of it, I've never seen them together, and if Umberto took off his glasses...

Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 30 July 2005 02:25 (eighteen years ago) link

Men Of Tomorrow by Gerard Jones is a wonderful in-depth examination of the men behind the early USA comic boomof the thirties and forties, although not quite as in-depth as I'd like - ideally I was looking for the 'prequel' to The Great Comic-Book Heroes, which is still unmatched in the field.

Vic Fluro, Saturday, 30 July 2005 06:56 (eighteen years ago) link

Jonothan Lethem's Fortress Of Solitude is about two friends (one Black one White) growing up in Brooklyn in the 70's and has a ton of comix references and is a damn fine read despite the premise.

mzui (mzui), Saturday, 30 July 2005 09:07 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm really looking forward to Jones's book when the trade comes out.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Saturday, 30 July 2005 21:47 (eighteen years ago) link

Stan Lee and the Rise and Fall of the American Comic Book is fascinating. It covers the Kirby/Lee "who done what" imbroglio well, and while critical of Stan's bullshit artistry, is ultimately sympathetic to him.

veronica moser (veronica moser), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 20:20 (eighteen years ago) link

Michael Chabon's The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay is Pulitzer-winning fiction about the creation and explosion of Golden Age comics.

I've got Eisner/Miller by Charles Brownstein in front of me. Looks interesting.

Madolan, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 22:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Batman Unmasked: Analyzing a Cultural Icon by Will Brooker is a fucking amazing and deliciously thorough fancademic examination of Batman. I've only just finished the first chapter "Origins and Wartime" and am about to start on "Censorship and Queer Readings". It's maybe not going to make me look at Batman in a new way, but it is definitely confirming many of the suspiscions I developed after reading the first (and so far only) volume of The Batman Chronicles and seeing the 1943 Columbia Serial (though he makes no mention of the fact that the Batmask doesn't really fit Lewis Wilson's face), and illuminating a lot of things I never even thought about (and I think about Batman A LOT). Like Batman's almost total absence (War Bonds-selling cover art aside) from WWII.

And AAoKaC is pretty much what got me reading comics again after getting out around '91.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 00:53 (eighteen years ago) link

(SPOILER IN FIRST GRAF)

my girlfriend is reading AAoKaC now, and is heartbroken that Thomas K. didn't make it to the U.S.

hey Vic Fluro: I luv Men of Tomorrow, but am trying to locate Jones' The Great Comic book heroes. Amazon is not very informative vis-a-vis what the book actually comprises. And how is it different form Jules Feiffer's book of the same name?

veronica moser (veronica moser), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I think Frederic Wertham's suggestively-titled Seduction of the Innocent, while it is very much against comics, deserves mention if only as a popular cultural touchstone of the time.

The book gained a lot of popularity, providing comics as a scapegoat for juvenile delinquency. Public outcry eventually brought about the Congressional inquiry into Comics and the creation of the Comics code.

Remember, before gangsta rap or punk rock, we could always blame comics.

I don't know if it's in print anywhere -- but I know there's still a copy of this in my local public library.

elmo (allocryptic), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, that is one of the most heart-breaking moments I've had while reading a book. Mind you, the last "novel" I read was Marv Wolfman's prose-only Crisis On Infinite Earths, so, um, take that for what it's worth. Still, HOLY CRUSHING.

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Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:39 (eighteen years ago) link

Every time Brooker quotes from Bob Kane's autobiography he seems to roll his eyes. Fuck, this book is great!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 19:46 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait - it's just The Comic Book Heroes. Sorry.

Vic Fluro, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 22:15 (eighteen years ago) link

how is it different form Jules Feiffer's book of the same name?

They're both insider-written histories of the industry, but they're very different in subject matter. Feiffer's book is about a few specific "classic" Golden Age superhero features, while Jones's book is about "mainstream" (DC, Marvel, and direct market) American comics from the Silver Age through the time of the book's publication. There are two very different editions of this book. The first was published circa 1985 and is basically a nostalgia book, with puff-pieces on comic series that Jones and his co-author particularly liked, as well as the "notable" books of the era. It ends on a very optimistic note, talking up all the good indie books that had just hit the mainstream (e.g., Zot!, American Flagg!) The second was published directly after the big industry crash circa 1995, and is pretty heavily revised to add lots of dirt, gossip, and a big section/screed tacked on to the end about the dire turn that the industry took after Watchmen came out. Jones gets really personal and bitter about his involvement in the industry at that time and it's very interesting reading, in a car-crash-rubbernecking sense.

Chris F. (servoret), Thursday, 11 August 2005 02:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I read the Batman book, Huk, and it really is quite good. I loved how Brooker defended the queer/camp Batman against the "dark" Batman which seems to be the norm nowadays - though I wish he would've said more about Batman Forever, which I still think is underrated. Also, according to Brooker the Wertham book isn't that bad after all... Apparently Wertham was more of moralistic liberal than a fiery-eyed conservative.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Thursday, 11 August 2005 19:31 (eighteen years ago) link

Will Brooker is the brother of a prominent ILXoR!

I will write something about Give My Regards To The Atomsmashers when I have had my post-holiday sleep.

Tom (Groke), Thursday, 11 August 2005 20:22 (eighteen years ago) link

He is! I always forget about that since I am sure he is always called William by said brother.

jocelyn (Jocelyn), Thursday, 11 August 2005 20:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I know the editor of Atomsmashers!

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 11 August 2005 20:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I've haven't read much of it, tho; not because of quality issues - please! - but because I'm a sloth.

David R. (popshots75`), Thursday, 11 August 2005 20:38 (eighteen years ago) link

Will Brooker is the brother of a prominent ILXoR!

Ha ha, that's brilliant! As I read his book, I keep thinking, Damn, I wish this guy would post to ILComics (not that you gals/guys aren't more than enough).

Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 12 August 2005 13:40 (eighteen years ago) link

two years pass...

Superman vs Hollywood SPOILER: H'wood wins.

CAVEAT from chapters/indigo:
About the Author
Jake Rossen is a freelance writer who wrote a cover story for Wizard magazine on Superman Returns.

Dr. Superman, Wednesday, 6 February 2008 06:22 (sixteen years ago) link

Doesn't Hollywood pretty much always win? It's like the Anti-Life Equation or something.

Matt M., Wednesday, 6 February 2008 23:50 (sixteen years ago) link

I will write something about Give My Regards To The Atomsmashers when I have had my post-holiday sleep.

I read the B. Meltzer essay in this yesterday, how cringingly embarrassing.

energy flash gordon, Friday, 8 February 2008 05:33 (sixteen years ago) link

six years pass...

I thought there was a thread on this inspired by Junot Diaz (and Lethem's Fortress of Solitude to a lesser extent), but can't find it, but wanted to mention Lee Henderson's The Road Narrows As You Go, which sits still unread on my pile, but will probably get read before the end of the year. It's about a comic strip artist in San Francisco in the 80s. Was reviewed in the Globe & Mail by a sometimes ILCer. Globe and Mail site is down at the moment, but a relevant tweet by Sean: https://twitter.com/goodmanbeaver/status/515586670247555072

like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 13 December 2014 18:03 (nine years ago) link

(found it)

like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 13 December 2014 18:03 (nine years ago) link

Wait, Sean is an ILC-er??? I know Sean!

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 13 December 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link

he was circa 2006 at least

like working at a jewelry store and not knowing about bracelets (Dr. Superman), Saturday, 13 December 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link

that's funny. i haven't seen him in about five years tho'

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 13 December 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link

eight years pass...

wondering if anyone read the new book about Marvel in the 1970s or as Esquire put it Marvel on LSD, sounded like could be fun - attaching cpl links

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a43918564/70s-marvel-comics-lsd/

https://www.hoganmag.com/blog/2023/5/12/when-the-house-of-ideas-really-was-talking-with-author-eliot-borenstein

might be nice to keep this thread going as originally planned as repository for recommendations or discussion

H in Addis, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 06:19 (ten months ago) link

waving my trotters in delight at how every successive chapter of According To Jack Kirby confirms my sour teenage 90s impressions

serving bundt (sic), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 08:44 (ten months ago) link

That Stan Lee was full of shit?

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 16 August 2023 08:46 (ten months ago) link

no spoilers!

serving bundt (sic), Wednesday, 16 August 2023 09:26 (ten months ago) link


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