Trading single issues for trade paperbacks: Is it worth it?

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I brought my comics into my local comic book shop, to trade them for the paperbacks. Specifically Y: The Last Man (Issues #11 - present) and Fables (Issues #6 - present). I'm doing this mostly because I'm not an avid comic collector and would rather have the (advertisment-free) trade paperbacks sitting handsomly on my bookshelves.

Previously, the guy who owns the shop, Tom, said that I could come in and trade them equally for the equivalent trade, but that I'd be taking a hit because the combined cost of the single issues is more than the trade. I don't care, whatever.

Then I go in yesterday with all the comics and Tom says that he never agreed to the equal trade; that he has to figure out how much each one is worth, take a percentage of that, then see how much I'll have to PAY for the trades. Nevermind that I've got all the comics already boarded and bagged (and I bought the boards and bags myself!).

So WTF? Has anyone ever done this before? Is it not worth it?

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Its your shelves. Y is a tricky one as it reads so well as a monthly (the cliff hangers are excellent) but trades are so much nicer to read in some ways.

Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

if you already have them why pay more for something that's probably less valuable in the long run?

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

If you're going to do that, it'd probably be better to just sell the issues on eBay on yr own - you'll get more $$$ that way, ESPECIALLY in regards to Y & Fables!!!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Wow, that never even occurred to me. I personally would do it if it were easy, because I'm more likely to re-read stories in trade form and I like the convenience. I'm pretty sure Maddie would disapprove of me doing any such thing, though!

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

And, yeah, slock! has a very good point. If you don't mind the clutter, it'd be better just to hold onto the singlets and watch the back-issue prices go up up up!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:13 (twenty years ago)

Dr. Diva MOT

pxots

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Collecting comics for the $$$ these days seems so...rockist.

Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

I'd be just as happy to trade my FF #48-50 for merch as sell for cash. (Since that's how I got 'em.)

Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh, yeah, of course (sez he who once "invested" in two copies of BANE BREAKS BATMAN WAHEY). But @ the same time, it doesn't hurt to acknowledge that Ultimate Spidey #1 is going for over $100 (if not more), and make moves accordingly.

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

See, that's why I'm buying Nightwing, cuz when he goes KERBLOOEY, I'm gonna be R-I-C-H like Johnston!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

He'll google that, you know.

If it's material I'm likely to read and re-read (such as THE INVISIBLES, which I just finished over the course of the last few day), then trades are the only way to go. However, reading the digitized KAMANDI with the letters page and ads has reintroduced me to the joys of reading the material in its natural environment as it were.

You are, however, likely to get a better return from Ebay, and not from your local Android's Dungeon.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

Y: The Last Man

http://www.comicspriceguide.com/p-issues.asp?t_ID=13545

Fables

http://www.comicspriceguide.com/p-issues.asp?t_ID=12168

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

What does "9.4 CGC Graded" mean?

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

But having The Invisible in trades means that you won't get those wonderful letter columns!!!

IMHO; Trades vs. Single Issues: whatever the cheaper. If they are equally expensive, then I'd get the single issues; I'd rather pay 2.5 dollars a month than 20 dollars at once.

iodine (iodine), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

I'm actually supposed to be receiving a full run of INVISIBLES and plan on scanning the letters columns. It wouldn't surprise me if someone has beaten me to that particular punch, though.

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

what's the deal with the letter columns

s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Have you never read the X-Men poem?

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

CGC Graded = you sent your book off to CGC, a company which will "grade" the condition of the comic you send them (for a fee, duh) on a scale of 0.0 to 10.0, and will then seal the book in a plastic sheath containing a CGC certificate w/ their assessment. BAM! Instant collectible!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

1. Buy singles. Revel in the history and evolution of the medium.

2. Buy trades in addition to the singles, as trades make excellent transmission vectors for new readers and (when gathered in sufficient quantities) look intimidatingly cool on your shelf.

3. (This step specific to certain extremely orthodox fans of the antiquated singles format) Threaten to kick Jordan out of the house if he ever trades in comics and comes back with books.

Madolan, Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:13 (twenty years ago)

Oooooo Jordan you're in troubulllllllll!

David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Who wants to trade single issues or tpbs for CBRs? I got a plenty!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Tuesday, 9 August 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

That's how Huk'll become R!CH like Johnston!

Leeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

D-A-V-E like Gibbons!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 03:54 (twenty years ago)

C-H-U-C-K like Austen!

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 03:56 (twenty years ago)

B-R-I-A-N-M-I-C-H-A-E-L like Bendis!

Leeeeeeee (Leee), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

F-R-A-N-K like Miller?

Matt Maxwell (Matt M.), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

A-R-T like Adams.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I think the bastard is going to call me and tell me he's not going to do the trade. I was at my sister's house, telling her about the whole big deal, and then he calls her to talk about how he thinks he can't do the trade because he's going to end up taking a loss and how no one will by the back issues.

Whatever. I'm either going to keep them or find someone who will do an even trade. Or set them on fire, I haven't made up my mind.

Vermont Girl (Vermont Girl), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

I don't think any comic shops around here have bought back issues since the speculator bubble burst 10 years ago.

I actually think the Invisibles letter column was the only decent one for the last 10 years. Mind you, I'm not sure I've read one in 5 years (Brian "Noize" Bendis aside).

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:58 (twenty years ago)

Hate and Optic Nerve and Eightball and Peep Show have had great letter columns in the last 10 years. 1995? Cerebus probably still had a good stretch and the occasional flare-up left at that point. TCJ hadn't had The Craft Wars at that stage yet, had they? "Wish it into the cornfield, Jimmy!" Eddie Birthday Boy Campbe11's Bacchus/Bacchus Magaz!ne/ had a really fun one...

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 11 August 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, good point. It's probably been that long since I was reading the indies, and I was never into the ones thrown up by grunge.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 11 August 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

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kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 11 August 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

four weeks pass...
I recently decided that buying individual issues is crap.

1) I don't have the patience to bag and board anymore, and I hate how beat up the comics get unless they are stored correctly. Trades fit neatly and sturdily into one's bookcase. They are also better suited for lending to friends.

2) No missing issues in the middle of an arc because God forbid you were busy with life and couldn't get a hold of a copy.

3) Waiting a month to see cliffhangers resolve is dud.

4) Fuck collecting.

Really, is there anything good about singles except for the fact that they instantly gratify you? I know it's tempting when you see the new issue on the shelf at the store, but it just seems like such an inferior way to buy and consume comics so long as you have a modicum of patience.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 8 September 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

I dunno, I like the aesthetics of the single issue, the weight, the sound the pages make as they flip, the smell, etc. That said, I haven't bought anything but trades for over a year.

chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Thursday, 8 September 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

i give away most of my single issues to the neighborhood kids. am i really gonna re-read every stoopid detective comics or adventures of superman arc? of course not. so i give 'em away. i keep the better ones.

single issues means i am constantly supplied with something to read, and less outlay per week.

Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 8 September 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

I agree that singles are useful for buying comics that are disposable... but at the same time it means you end up buying lots of comics that are disposable. Buying singles leads to a lot of hit or miss purchases, which seems too costly in the long run. Personally, I'd rather pass on books that will likely end up being throw-away, and save my money for books that I know are awesome, collected for me in a neat, compact format that I will keep forever.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

forever is a long time.

p.s. i am a shopaholic.

Ian John50n (orion), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

I like having something to look forward to every week in my otherwise unbearable existence.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Huk otm. His existence is indeed unbearable. *hugglez*

Laura, as to your point 4), in some cases the frustration of the wait is perfect for the cliffhanger -- it's the whole reason for being for serial stories. And sometimes if you go whole hog and read/watch something all at once that's usually served in serial installments, you see the repeated weaknesses clearly and you end up loathing it.

But, if you ask me, from the consumer's economic standpoint, it is indeed a better idea to *invest* in trades instead of floppies, because they are priced better. Maybe the expenditure is more per trip to the store, but you end up making less trips to the store as well.

However, that's beside the point, for we are comics people, and thus by default lead arid lives.

Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

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Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

p.s. i am a shopaholic.

I have seen you buy records!

And sometimes if you go whole hog and read/watch something all at once that's usually served in serial installments, you see the repeated weaknesses clearly and you end up loathing it.

I don't think I can justify buying singles on the basis that it will make weak books more readable. I appreciate Huk's point, though. I remember how great it was in high school to look forward to new comic day during shitty times in my life, knowing that it would make things slightly brighter, if only briefly.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Some books I read in trade, some in singles. Certain books just seem to read better in one format over the other (i.e., Seven Soldiers is built for singles, while Powers seems draggy and kinda lame).

Also, now that some series are being collected in (sometimes colorless!) digest format, you can't always rely on the trade! And if it comes out in hardcover first, then you have to wait foreeeevvver for a reasonably priced copy.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:36 (twenty years ago)

Just about anything I started reading in trades (when I got back into comics, my original intention was to stick to trades), I have a hard time getting into on a per-issue level. Powers, Y, Fables, Astro City, etc.

Gotham Central is the only exception to that, I guess. Unless you count the Batman stuff, but I don't, because the Bat-Trades I read, I'm pretty selective about. By which I mean, I select them and then I buy them. ALL.

Huk-L (Huk-L), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:52 (twenty years ago)

Laura, as to your point 4), in some cases the frustration of the wait is perfect for the cliffhanger -- it's the whole reason for being for serial stories.

I know you're right about this... it just drives me crazy sometimes. I hate it for the same reason I hate the Spiderman comic strip in the newspaper (aside from it being total shit)-- it's tiresome to have a narrative broken up so frequently, and it encouragers writers to constantly regress into synopsis instead of using that precious space to move the plot forward.

The serial nature of comic books is especially irritating when I don't feel that a great deal has happened in the book, and then it's over. It's also more difficult to become totally engrossed in a story, which is sort of my optimal comic book reading state. When books are substantive and well-paced, when the cliffhangers don't feel totally contrived, and when the writer doesn't constantly exposit the content of previous issues every time a character blinks or takes a shit, all of this bothers me a lot less.

Laura H. (laurah), Thursday, 8 September 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, when I said "serials," I really meant "good serials. And admittedly, few titles really exploit the serial form well. Like Y does! And Runaways from the last season (he's gotten a lot more heavy handed with recapitulation this season). And Bendis on Daredevil is like, the Mozart of catching up the reader.

Leeeeeeeee (Leee), Thursday, 8 September 2005 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I think some writers write for single issues, some for trades. Bendis is slow in pace and writes for trades, and in single issues you sometimes feel there's not much there between August and October. Grant Morrison writes wonderful single issues and cliffhangers, and I love reading his comics month by month.

Also:
- I have many comics that I bought 30 years ago that are still in very good condition. No boards, very rarely bagged.
- Letters pages can be a bonus feature.
- Double-page spreads work better in the comics than in a TPB
- I don't always want to wait six months between issues.
- My local shop (Gosh) saves what I ask them to so I don't miss issues.

I'm often happy to trade in single issues for trades if I also end up with money, or a complete run where I had missing issues. I've sold lots of my '60s Marvels, which were never in complete runs, and I enjoy the Essentials much more.

I'm not clear how it counts as 'collecting' any more if I buy the comics or the TPBs.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 10 September 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

Does this connect with buying singles vs buying albums?

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 11 September 2005 01:29 (twenty years ago)

- Letters pages can be a bonus feature.

Ooh, this reminds me. I love the letters pages in League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, but I only have 4, 5, and 6 in issues form. I assume issue 1 didn't have a letters page, but does anyone know if issues 2 or 3 did?

The Yellow Kid, Sunday, 11 September 2005 04:51 (twenty years ago)

x-post

More like buying a Greatest Hits comp vs buying loads of chart singles, maybe - most singles are sold on their merits as discrete packages, rather than a serialisation of another group of work.

Buying indie EPs with lots of different songs and a particular design aesthetic you could associate with buying issues of much of the 80's-90's US indie comics school, what with their back-up stories and letter columns and guest strips and whatnot.

kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 11 September 2005 05:25 (twenty years ago)

As I recall, all six issues of LOEG series 1 had letter columns, with advance copies sent out to get some content in the first issue (and loads of them were just made up or written by Moore's mates anyway)

kit brash (kit brash), Sunday, 11 September 2005 05:26 (twenty years ago)

I'm often happy to trade in single issues for trades if I also end up with money, or a complete run where I had missing issues. I've sold lots of my '60s Marvels, which were never in complete runs, and I enjoy the Essentials much more.

really? even without colour?

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 11 September 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

I'd rather have colour too*, but if I can sell off a fraction of the 25 (say) issues and get 25 in exchange, great! I haven't sold off my Gerber HTDs, for instance, as I have all of them and don't suppose I'd make so much money on the deal that it would be worth it.

* I wonder if they have thought of an intermediate format, like the essentials but with colour, at a somewhat higher price?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Sunday, 11 September 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

i was wondering about that too... i think i'd go in for that.

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 11 September 2005 23:01 (twenty years ago)

This makes me feels shallow, but I don't know if I could get over the lack of color in the Essentials. Every time I crack one open in the store it just looks cheap and indistinguishable. I suspect that since the stories were originally in color, I would just feel like I was missing out or not getting the full effect.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 12 September 2005 01:56 (twenty years ago)

why is that shallow in any way?

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 12 September 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

the colour is part of the original art, it's not like it's just some superficial gloss!

s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 12 September 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

I agree! But ILC seems to love the Essentials, and I'm all "No thanks, not pretty enough!"

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 12 September 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

Is that rockist or anti-rockist? I don't even know anymore.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 12 September 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)


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