More Dave Sim Batshittery.

I offered to fax [Sim] copies of the interviews I've done with Alan Moore and Scott McCloud, so he could see what kind of stuff we do. I mentioned that we look for people who have non-mainstream opinions. He said that Scott McCloud and Alan Moore ARE mainstream. I said that they've been embraced by the mainstream, but that they don't necessarily express themselves in mainstream-friendly ways; for instance, Alan Moore claims that he worships a sock puppet. Dave said something about that depending on whether it's a feminist issue. I asked how worshipping a sock puppet was a feminist issue. He said "Same pus, different zit." I said "I'm not getting you." He said "Yeah. I know."

he just fuckin lost it somewhere along the line.

It's hard to know whether to feel more horror or pity. It sucks, because Cerebus was good, and he had to go and ruin it for a lot of people by being an unhinged jerkoff.

Caveat lector!

Dave, for the last time: the feminist conspiracy isn't the reason that most people haven't heard of Cerebus. The rreason most people haven't heard of Cerebus is because it's a 6000 page, black and white, often almost unbearably oblique comic about an Aardvark, for fuck's sake.

""The dialogue between YHWH and God continues. I think YHWH's contribution back in the early 60s was Peter, Paul and Mary. I mean, it is a *way* of looking at Christianity, seeing Peter, Paul and Mary as the three cornerstones after Jesus. Of course, being YHWH her point was; if you have Peter, Paul and Mary, what do you need Jesus for? I think this amused God a great deal - to the extent that he countered with John, Paul, George and Ringo. Paul, of course, was actually James: James Paul McCartney. So John and James were leaders of the band, like the sons of Zebedee, John and James, the brothers Boanerges, the sons of thunder. John and James, of course were the ones who sought to sit on the right and left hands of Jesus in the next world (egged on by their mother, according to one Gospel account). So it was a good joke that on the cusp of becoming world famous John and James ditched Peter, Pete Best, the drummer since this is basically what the biblical John and James had attempted to do with Peter the apostle. The George part, I think, was God's way of saying that leap-frogging Peter - that is the Vatican - lands you in England and Henry VIII's decision to make himself not only king, but head of the church as well. There have been three King Georges [sic - he doesn't know all that much about British history, especially given that the British monarch is also Canadian head of state...], the last one being George III, the George whose exorbitant taxation created the impetus behind the founding of the United States. Now, having ditched Peter, that meant you had three kings or a Ring of Stars (Ringo Starr) only in the same cursory way that Peter, Paul and Mary make a ring. Of course, because this was God's idea and not YHWH's the Beatles were exponentially more sucessful and influential than were Peter, Paul and Mary the "three kings" and George III part resonated more successfully with them landing in the United States than Peter, Paul and Mary could ever have hoped to and, of course, YHWH, being a perennial sucker for music and dancing has ridden the phenomenon as far as he/she/it could. It actually ended with Charles Manson - God's point being that, separated from God, these "three English kings" are just sleazy long-haired drifters, using their music and charisma to enslave impressionable young girls, as Manson did."

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In person, Dave is quite personable, even -- in my experience, and from what friends have said -- to the ladies. (On condition, of course, that they only talk about comics. But he was very helpful to a female friend, giving advice on her portfolio.)

I'm glad I have an editor in real life.

He took it from Gore Vidal, who noted that "homosexual" is not a noun.

They fell out when Jeff's wife took offence to something Dave said (I can't remember offhand, but it was really nothing) and insisted Jeff have it out with him. Jeff didn't, but refused to speak to him. You can imagine how Dave took this, given it was a woman that 'told' Jeff to act this way.

This led to ever-increasing ridiculousness, with Dave insisting if theyed sort it out like men and it would all be forgotten. He even hired a boxing ring at one convention and told Jeff that 3 rounds and it would never be mentioned again (irrespective of the outcome of the fight).

I'm fairly sure I'm in Collected Letters, but I haven't got it yet.

To me, taking it as a given that reason cannot prevail in any argument with emotion, there must come a point - with women and children - where verbal discipline has to be asserted, and if verbal discipline proves insufficient, that physical discipline be introduced. Women and children have soft, cushy buttocks which are, nonetheless, shot through with reasonably sensitive nerve endings.

I believe that those buttocks are there for a very specific purpose intended by their Creator.

Like much of the screed, it's more entertaining if you try to imagine it being narrated with tremendous gravitas by James Earl Jones.

ah, my days of comic con attdending.

Off the top of my head, folks.

Ooo! Puppies!

Chuck, who are you IRL? Page numbers will do.

I've been trying to drop that into conversation ever since you first mentioned it.

My real name in real life is Pau1 15aac5.

“Yes,” I said, “if you read his comics, you can sort of get that impression.”

Lots of Sim/Henry references in Collected Letters 2004, incidentally.

Convincing!

If it's true, that makes 6000 on-schedule pages an even more amazing feat.

For people who hadn't been keeping up, Dave has a new quarterly KS featuring 10 full size repros of pages and ancillary artwork still in his possession. Each quarter features a different phonebook/era, with the idea to keep him going to finish up Alex Raymond and to tidy up the scans of the art enough to get new phonebooks ready to publish. Assuming every quarter hits the same targets as this one, he'll achieve that goal.

the batshit part: he expects this to carry on for decades after his death

any idea how much dough was he pulling in in the mid-80s? I know he's broke/an ascetic now but back then he seemed to maintain this whole rock-star image, back cover photos of him pulling up to conventions in limos, staying in fancy hotels, bimbos hanging on him... was that all just bullshit or was he really rolling in it?

dude's arc seems like a total tragedy in retrospect

"bimbos"?

seems like the proper nomenclature for a dave sim thread

Aside from the pleasures of that kind of lifestyle, think Sim also wanted to show other comics people the riches they could earn from self-publishing (but this was at a time when creators on high-royalty earning corporate comics were also earning small fortunes - I know of one penciller who bought a house from the royalties they earned from just one single, high profile Marvel/DC crossover comic)

i'm curious. can you say what book it was?

xp what should they be called, Simbos?

"bimbos"?

not referring to Deni Loubert tbc

"bimbos"?

― Look at this joke I've recognised, do you recognise it as well? (forksclovetofu)

Voids.

lol

forks, it's not for the public prints, but i will tell you in person the next time i visit new york!

was also told - second-hand - that another very well known mainstream comics writer bought a jet out of the royalties they earned - true or not, the point is that there was an awful lot of cash sloshing around comics in the 1980s. i think the irony is is that these days, with the royalty system all but defunct, you really have to own your work - and sell it to TV/movies - to earn similar riches. so dave sim was basically...right?

oh man

http://www.cerebusfangirl.com/artists/nftp/

not referring to Deni Loubert tbc

no, you're referring to Dawn Nash ("Zee")

Aside from the pleasures of that kind of lifestyle, think Sim also wanted to show other comics people the riches they could earn from self-publishing

Also this was not necessarily a "lifestyle" - conventions weren't a 40-times-ayear proposition in the 80s because the distribution system worked, his expenses at home were probably minimal: he booked car services in other cities, but that would get him from interview to interview to store signing to hotel to convention and be a business expense, and he doesn't drive, so at home got/gets around by walking; when he and Ger went to Hawaii for a week and spent it drawing pages for the book on the balcony of their hotel, that would also likely be written off.

NFTP from 74 mentions Skidmore by name. Something in my eye.

Love how ILC springs to life whenever Dave's insanity is brought up.

I wonder what Dave Sim thinks of Donald Trump.

well there's an alarming thought

dave is kinda like a proto-redpiller i guess. who knows, maybe cerebus could be enjoy a glorious revival in alt-right circles soon

https://www.overthinkingit.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/cerebus_066_throwing_babies2.jpg

this pic^^^ was used to comment on a baby-related incident during the campaign: question is, sim would vote for the aardvark?

I thumbed through Cerebus in Hell at the shop the other day. it was sad.

It's more cogent that parts of Latter Days! Alas without being good.

maybe cerebus could be enjoy a glorious revival in alt-right circles soon

I... can totally imagine this.

i'd never thought about it before i wrote that tbh but if alt-righters can force themselves to read mencius moldbug then cerebus will seem like a cool refreshment by comparison

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Sim was alt-right 25 years early. All boxes ticked.

He's probably drifted away from being pigeonholed as such more recently thanks to his affinity with the other two big Abrahamic religions.

read a couple blogs and he seems to be amused by trump rather than a devout follower

he's proto-alt-right to roughly the same degree as DEVO

that's going a little too easy on him shakes

ha I thought it was being hard on DEVO tbh

that too

I was browsing for dumb Dave things and instead found this - what an amazing cover.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-kmwlU7KhnHc/U6Rf7F3dufI/AAAAAAAAMSA/IDTFkZdHIOo/s1600/cerebus_053.jpg

So, after the less than successful (either financially or artistically) Cerebus In Hell, Dave has announced an extension of his reprint/paste-in line with Batvark as the launch title. "He's comics' most notorious homophobe!" This cannot end well.The plan is that there'll be a CiH one-shot on the final Wednesday of every month, and follows the conclusion of the CiH 'plot' that "of course you didn't think the Gustav Dore Hell is the only one, do you?".

I am still doing the Archive Print series, which is tremendous stuff but isn't creating much actual income for Dave due to the the unpredictable nature of release - 3 years on and there have only been 6 sets of the "quarterly" edition. Latest one is delayed indefinitely because the third (fourth?) collaborator on the prints has just left, leaving nobody to do the stuff Dave doesn't like computers. There's also an idea about a more affordable version of the prints being called the Postage Stamp Collection but my head says this is dead as a concept now. SDoAR is plodding on, largely supported by Patreon but I don't know about progress because updates are locked to donors. And I'm not at that stage yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4d0PzWGm_U
dang we're all getting old huh

Yikes

To be fair dave’s hairline is better than mine now

welp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JABYiUhM4wA

there's

uh

there's a lot going on there

not really a fan of any of it, honestly

he's completely insane.

i mean i guess it's an achievement of some kind that he keeps managing to surprise me at this stage stage of batshittery

his crooner look made me think of
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nice to see you in the dave sim batshittery thread, senator romney

well, I've always been fascinated both by his exquisite lines and inventive layouts as well as his profound respect for traditional gender roles and deep faith in a cruel and inscrutable Father-God.

and who among us can say they haven't chuckled at his comical portrayals of the struggle against the dark forces of modern feminism.

pvmic

He's completely lost touch of what literally anyone in the world besides him finds relevant, interesting, or indeed comprehensible.

OTOH his singing voice is marginally better than expected.

fake fan. Dave didn't "always" have a belief, let alone a deep faith, in God

the senator has lost my vote, I'm afraid to say

The recommended videos when you check out that Youtube Dave Sim video are a trip or at the edge of the slide.

It is a strange and creepy time.