BLACK NIGGERS IN MAINSTREAM MUSIC

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I HATE NIGGERS IN MAINSTREAM MUSIC EXCEPT WHEN THEY ARE OLD SOUL OR FUNK OR CRAZY LIKE OUTKAST, THE WORST IS WHEEN WHITE PEOPLE TRY TO BE LIKE NIGGERS, HOW REDICU,LOUS, I SAW MY LITTLE BROTHER SAYING "BLING BLING;"' WHATEVER THE FUCK THAT MEASNS, DOES HE THINK HES BLACK, I SHOULD TEACH HIM HOW TO BE A WHITE PERSON,

THE PROBLEM IS THAT THE INDUSTRY IS RACIST AND DOESNT LET SMART NIGGERS LIEK MARVIN GAYE OR CANNIBEL OX GET THROUGH WITH THEIR SMART BLACKNESS IT REWARDS DUMB NIGGERS LIKE LUDACRIS AND JAY Z AND THEN EVERYONE EATS IT UP BECAUSE THE IDIOTS PUBLIC ARE DUMB NIGGERS OR WANT TO BE DUMB NIGGERS THATS ALL THEY ARE, RAP MUSIC IS VVIOLENT AND BORING MUSICALY AND NO ONE CAN REALLY LIEK IT AS MUSIC THEY JUST LIKE IT BECAUSE IT MAKES THEM FEEL "DANGEROUS" AND "BLACK" BUT REALLY THEIR JUST DUMB

Anonymous, Thursday, 6 September 2007 09:30 (seventeen years ago)

Yawn.
Been done:

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0148/couch.php

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 15 November 2002 21:29 (twenty-two years ago)

You had to go off ILM to find a similar-sounding rant? What about s trife?

hstencil, Friday, 15 November 2002 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

THEIR JUST DUMB

Touche!

Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 15 November 2002 21:37 (twenty-two years ago)

You'd hope there'd be a decent question couched in the affected troll-speak, but he's arguing that people only like the rap message as opposed to the medium. not at all true!

Is there a website that converts your speech into Troll?

Aaron A., Friday, 15 November 2002 21:41 (twenty-two years ago)

hstencil you get the "missing the point award" for the week.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 15 November 2002 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh, that's right. Nobody ever posts sarcasm to ILM.

hstencil, Friday, 15 November 2002 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

(erm d'you think i shd bleep this thread a bit?)

a passing moderator (mark s), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

(if only to irritate momus haha *sigh*)

mark s (mark s), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

What about s trife?

I thought it was him posting being all sarcastic and shit. I mean look at the e-mail! And look at the subtle politics at work (white folx who like Marvin Gaye and Cannibal Ox and other acts for their intelligence are racists who hate dumb n-word music)!

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm guessing this is supposed to be a joke or ironic statement of some kind -- or at least I *HOPE* it's a joke -- but I'm just finding it misinformed, ill-conceived and not just a little offensive.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:30 (twenty-two years ago)

if it is ethan (i'm not entirely unconvinced it's not), then it's his nadir.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:32 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not entirely unconvinced it's not

Hot triple negative action!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:52 (twenty-two years ago)

one more crack outta you and it's the isle of misfit toys

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:55 (twenty-two years ago)

http://www.misfits.com/fitstoys.jpeg

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Friday, 15 November 2002 22:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I might like that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:00 (twenty-two years ago)

nate, i give the joke itself a 7.5, the timing and delivery a 9.2.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, but have you seen the new models?

http://www.misfits.com/MSF-DL1-X.jpg http://www.misfits.com/MSF-DL2-X.jpg

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:09 (twenty-two years ago)

good to see nu-pigfuck alive and well on ILx

M Matos (M Matos), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:25 (twenty-two years ago)

so i'm on the subway about an hour ago and i pick up The Walnut Creek News or whatever and what do you know:

[begin article]

'8 Mile' reaches all demographics

By Lynn Smith, Geoff Boucher and Lorenza Munoz

AFTER lunch at Neiman-Marcus, Jane Ann Kuster, 73, moved into the dark confines of the Edwards Big Newport theater, accompanied by her friend and neighbor Armida Persello, 72.

Kuster wanted to introduce her friend to Eminem, starring in his first movie, "8 Mile," and to witness his attempt to travel the distance from much-denounced rapper to mainstream movie star. Evidently, the journey was a success -- and financed not just by the fans you might expect.

Powered by strong reviews in major newspapers, a hit song on the radio and a relentless ad campaign, the movie grossed a far-higher-than-expected $54 million-plus in its opening last weekend. Universal Pictures reported that most of the "8 Mile" weekend moviegoers were younger than 25 and white -- and, intriguingly for a rap movie, female -- but almost one-third were older than 25, like Kuster and Persello, who caught the film Saturday in the Los Angeles coast suburb of Newport Beach.

Until Sunday, filmmakers had been unsure whether mainstream Americans would be willing to spend two hours in the dark with Eminem, whose stated goal has been to "(expletive) the world off." But as the septuagenarians demonstrated, many welcomed him with open arms, some applauding perceived messages of authenticity, hard work and personal responsibility in the film.

"He's a doll," Kuster said. "What you see is what you get. I don't think he puts on any pretense."

It made for some interesting weekend movie lines, and nowhere was the people-watching more fascinating than in the children and parents at theaters together. Many baby-boomer parents were already fans themselves. Deedee Williams, 50, founder of a Beverly Hills global consulting biotech company, said she had to talk her 14-year-old son, Matt, into coming along.

Despite its rating, bestowed for "strong language, sexuality, some violence and drug use," others found positive messages for kids in the movie. "From the ghetto, he ended up making something of himself. I think that's a positive thing in our society today," said Santa Ana psychologist Robin Carr, who brought two children and a friend, ages 12 to 15. Although he cussed too much, he was also trying to make ends meet, she said.

Although some champion him as a relevant and clever cultural provocateur, Eminem has been assailed as a loutish, foulmouthed rapper. For much of America until now, Eminem is best known for the protests against him before the Grammys in 2001, or perhaps the courtroom photos from his brushes with the law. His demeaning lyrics about women and gays have drawn protests and his albums are brimming with graphic language and violent imagery. Unlike Eminem's CDs, there is no "clean" version of "8 Mile" available for the younger teens who follow his music.

The film, directed by critically respected Curtis Hanson at a cost of $50 million, tells a classic Hollywood tale of "underdog makes good" by describing the struggle of a white boy trying to make it in the black, urban rap scene of impoverished Detroit. Unlike his mother's boyfriend, he has a job -- making steel bumpers at a stamping plant. Another message in the film is that connection in art and class can overcome race differences. The theme has characterized Eminem's music career as well.

The R rating didn't hinder the movie's popularity, said its producer, Brian Grazer, and nationwide, theaters were packed. The movie averaged an unusually high $22,400 per screen; $10,000 is considered good by industry standards.

"The message of the movie is so positive that I think parents are just looking the other way," Grazer said. "Parents felt they could kind of get away from those (other hip-hop films). But with Eminem, it's in their face and it forces them to understand the language."


"I'm not a fan at all," Barry, a retired communication engineer, said he was curious to see how the rapper did.

In an e-mail interview with the Los Angeles Times last month, Eminem said he had set out to make a serious movie, not a comic or hit-driven goof.

"The movie marked the direction I wanted to go in, which allowed me to see if I can really act and to document the scene in Detroit that I came from," said the rapper, whose real name is Marshall Mathers III. As for a possible second act as an actor, he said: "I'm going to take it one step at a time. I'm not interested in becoming a full-time actor any time soon."

[end article]

gygax review:
rising up from his bright purple mustang and flourescent visors, and by stepping down into a role of ghetto factory worker for cred, eminem proves that art does imitate life, and that 10 million white girls under 25+ really think he's hot (not to mention a few leisure villagers). The message: good looking white people CAN overcome challenges in race struggles in modern america. YaY!

gygax!, Friday, 15 November 2002 23:28 (twenty-two years ago)

spoken with the true understanding of an undergraduate sociology major, gygax.

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:35 (twenty-two years ago)

at least i got a job!

gygax!, Friday, 15 November 2002 23:37 (twenty-two years ago)

do you want a cookie?

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:39 (twenty-two years ago)

that was a DRAMATIC line from 8 mile jess

gygax!, Friday, 15 November 2002 23:41 (twenty-two years ago)

(i have not seen the movie yet as i don't have a job.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:42 (twenty-two years ago)

(however when my next freelancing check arrives, i'm being forced to go. the ladies do love him.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:43 (twenty-two years ago)

8 mile trailer

gygax!, Friday, 15 November 2002 23:47 (twenty-two years ago)

i saw the trailer! i just remembered i saw it when we saw red dragon. (which suXoRed.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Friday, 15 November 2002 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

has anyone seen the trailer for ExTREME OPS?

if not, i highly recommend it.

gygax!, Friday, 15 November 2002 23:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Referring to the original message: I find it pretty hard to believe that this isn't someone trying to affect the tone of a white suburban kid who's into underground hip hop. This goes along with the condescending attitudes you people seem to take when addressing those of us who prefer underground hip hop to mainstream hip hop.

This may be the worst, ugliest example of it, but it's not nearly the only one. In the end, it's just elitist attitudes shrouded in populist clothing to make it seem less repellent.

lke, Saturday, 16 November 2002 00:07 (twenty-two years ago)

the opening poster, whomever it may turn out to be, is WAY off the mark.. the average internet anti-rap rant is MUCH more vitriolic/quasi-racist/hilarious

ray romano of tee-vee fame, Saturday, 16 November 2002 00:58 (twenty-two years ago)

my head hurts from the negation negating flip-scripting of this whole "you people" "elitist" thing.

anyway the best thing about the 8 mile soundtrack is that i bought it and it came with a free bonus cd with preview stuff from shady records.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 16 November 2002 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah my apologies to put-upon undie fans if I choose to see this as racist cockfarmery rather than clever triple-bluff.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 16 November 2002 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)

looks like ep to me

artiste, Saturday, 16 November 2002 03:35 (twenty-two years ago)

its nice to see that idealogical exaggeration as an art form is still being either dumbly condescended to or completely misunderstood, hey jess im not entirely unconvinced its not me either!!

ep, Saturday, 16 November 2002 03:38 (twenty-two years ago)

sp "idealogical"

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 16 November 2002 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

and notice how civil every is to gygax!! i guess like xzibit said its truly 'not what you say but how you spit it'

ep, Saturday, 16 November 2002 03:44 (twenty-two years ago)

imitator, intimidator, stimulator, simulator of data, eliminator! there's never been a greater since the burial of jesus! fuck around and catch all the venereal diseases!

artiste, Saturday, 16 November 2002 03:46 (twenty-two years ago)

OMG, I need the misfit dolls for my filing cabinet!

Mr Noodles (Mr Noodles), Saturday, 16 November 2002 07:10 (twenty-two years ago)

ok fuck it, look im sorry ilm i was real mad at gygax dude and wanted to say so in a big stupid unsubtle way, it was a bad move!!

ep, Saturday, 16 November 2002 07:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah my apologies Ethan, that's what coming home drunk and heading for the most inflammatory-looking thread does. Yr biting satire was lost on me cos I didn't want to read lots of new Lose Yourself posts.

Tom (Groke), Saturday, 16 November 2002 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm glad it was Ethan mocking Gygax and not someone mocking Ethan mocking Gygax. That would have hurt my head.

Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 16 November 2002 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

the biting satire was lost on me becuz there wasn't any.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 16 November 2002 16:11 (twenty-two years ago)

They've made it into a science fiction film:

http://us.imdb.com/Title?0274518

Tom Millar (Millar), Saturday, 16 November 2002 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

jess,
either yr an idiot or a mormon.
nope, not misspelleded.
lol.

the guy, Saturday, 16 November 2002 17:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Ray Romano reads this shit?

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 16 November 2002 17:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I think we all learned something about our own prejudices & fears here today.

Mark (MarkR), Saturday, 16 November 2002 18:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck that, let's talk about the dolls s'more.

David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 16 November 2002 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)

hey - why is the word "expletive" so huge up there? What the fuck is that?

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 16 November 2002 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

gygax has clever man's syndrome.

jess (dubplatestyle), Saturday, 16 November 2002 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

When I first saw it, I just thought I was really tired and shit. Then I saw it again. WHAT EXPLETIVE WAS IT?!

Ally (mlescaut), Saturday, 16 November 2002 19:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Fuck that, let's talk about the dolls s'more.
Taking Sides: those Misfit Dolls vs antique KISS dolls from the 70s. FITE!

Lord Custos Omega (Lord Custos Omega), Sunday, 17 November 2002 04:33 (twenty-two years ago)

"Taking Sides: those Misfit Dolls vs antique KISS dolls from the 70s. FITE!"


Unfortunately, the Misfit dolls would be grossly outnumbered, as Kiss have unleashed an....er....army of action figures via Tod "Spawn" McFarlane toys.

I'm waiting for the much-talked-about-but-never-materialized Devo action figures.

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 17 November 2002 19:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Are there any Ramones action figures? Those'd sell out damn near instantly and become impossible-to-find collectors items going for sick amounts on eBay (though my only reference for that assumption is this).

Devo action figures would RULE ALL.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 17 November 2002 19:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Apparently the Beastie figs' clothing is removable, which is a somewhat horrifying prospect.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 17 November 2002 19:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I really really hate the thread title. Can't something be done about it?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Sunday, 17 November 2002 20:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, change it to "BLACK HONKIES" or something.

Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Sunday, 17 November 2002 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(it came from a bellsouth IP address, if anyone cares)

Graham (graham), Sunday, 17 November 2002 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

he did admit it, upthread graham.

jess (dubplatestyle), Sunday, 17 November 2002 23:08 (twenty-two years ago)

oh yes moderators and cant something be 'done' about that racist huck finn book too

s trife (simon_tr), Monday, 18 November 2002 02:27 (twenty-two years ago)

ethan you have a really tenuous grasp on reality these days.

jess (dubplatestyle), Monday, 18 November 2002 02:45 (twenty-two years ago)

ethan is the post modern mark twain, leave him be.

Ally (mlescaut), Monday, 18 November 2002 03:18 (twenty-two years ago)

ethan, i got yo back, but you best to watch yo front

boxcubed (boxcubed), Monday, 18 November 2002 05:01 (twenty-two years ago)

TRIFE'S the one be pullin stuntz, tho

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 18 November 2002 05:14 (twenty-two years ago)

boiiiiiiii

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 18 November 2002 05:15 (twenty-two years ago)

three years pass...
fuk u

bob marley, Friday, 3 March 2006 02:27 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

seconded

Heave Ho, Thursday, 6 September 2007 08:50 (seventeen years ago)

Why wasn't this thread removed in the first place?

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 6 September 2007 08:50 (seventeen years ago)

LIEK MARVIN GAYE OR CANNIBEL OX

marmotwolof, Thursday, 6 September 2007 08:51 (seventeen years ago)

Well, I guess the main reason why the record industry doesn't let Marvin Gaye record anymore is that he died in 1984. Figures, kind of....

Geir Hongro, Thursday, 6 September 2007 08:56 (seventeen years ago)

$gnac is on point!!!

luriqua, Thursday, 6 September 2007 09:07 (seventeen years ago)

that's why i shoot all races!! i don't discriminate-- if you act dumb or black or whatever i will yawn and open fire.

luriqua, Thursday, 6 September 2007 09:09 (seventeen years ago)

It's not easy being 14, I sympathise

Tom D., Thursday, 6 September 2007 09:10 (seventeen years ago)

For fuck's sake.

Pashmina, Thursday, 6 September 2007 09:30 (seventeen years ago)

huh

ghost rider, Thursday, 6 September 2007 14:41 (seventeen years ago)


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