itsybitsysmithy: i don't think people should be required to read and agree with stuff inside a text book that's opinion... not even anywhere near fact... inorder to get a degree
saucerpilot1947: well that's what "education" is about, being exposed to other opinions and what people think, whether or not people agree with it.
itsybitsysmithy: so we have to be exposed to the things that most people agree on
itsybitsysmithy: but we arent exposed to those things that a lot of people don't agree on
saucerpilot1947: yes
saucerpilot1947: becuase.....
itsybitsysmithy: and you think that's right?
itsybitsysmithy: and you can sleep well with yourself at night?
saucerpilot1947: what?
saucerpilot1947: jesus christ your msiunderstandig wat i' saying
itsybitsysmithy: you think that it's right for some bonehead to decide what we should learn and what should be required... and we should learn it b/c this bonehead thinks it is right
itsybitsysmithy: and i'm going to stop talking to you now b/c i'm going to get angry... and it's not going to be good
saucerpilot1947: well you keep misinterpreting what i say
saucerpilot1947: and
itsybitsysmithy: b/c you don't understand what *I* am saying
saucerpilot1947: well, you have been sort of vague
itsybitsysmithy: i just don't understand who determines these things and why we should just accept them
itsybitsysmithy: why should we just accept things and move on
itsybitsysmithy: so many people
saucerpilot1947: like show me waht your talkinga bout in that text book so i can understand what is so frustrating
itsybitsysmithy: are just like " ok... the text book says it's true... so it is"
itsybitsysmithy: i've given you examples
itsybitsysmithy: and you're not listening
saucerpilot1947: what is the book?
saucerpilot1947: the texbook, what is it called?
saucerpilot1947: and what is the context in which that story you mentioned earlier is used
itsybitsysmithy: Art: a brief history
itsybitsysmithy: ok.... you're not fucking grasping this
itsybitsysmithy: it's not one thing
itsybitsysmithy: it's not some example i can show you
itsybitsysmithy: it's the whole fucking concept
itsybitsysmithy: DAMMIT
saucerpilot1947: i know what you're saying, but
saucerpilot1947: (i told you i liek to push buttons)
itsybitsysmithy: well you're going to get youself into trouble pushing mine
itsybitsysmithy: b/c i will push back
itsybitsysmithy: a lot harder
itsybitsysmithy: we didnt get where we were today by having everyone follow what some bonehead said
itsybitsysmithy: where we are today*
saucerpilot1947: well things are put in textbooks generally ebcause a concensus is reached, whether right or wrong, about something
saucerpilot1947: i'm not disagreeing atht consensu is often boneheaded
itsybitsysmithy: well I know this
itsybitsysmithy: but... i also know that I don't want to learn about bone headed consensus... I want to learn facts
saucerpilot1947: there are very little facts
itsybitsysmithy: well then i want someone intelligent to decide this theory
itsybitsysmithy: and what I want doesnt matter and probably never will
itsybitsysmithy: but untill it does... i'm going to keep believing that the text book is bullshit
itsybitsysmithy: and that's just how it's going to be
saucerpilot1947: ok that's not what i was debating i guess, i think ti was you're annoyed at something which willa lways be a oprt of "educational" experience
saucerpilot1947: there's always gonna b boring ass shit tehy assign you to read or listen to, etc.
itsybitsysmithy: but most of the " boring ass shit" is fact
itsybitsysmithy: and i'm ok with that
itsybitsysmithy: but this other percentage of "boring ass shit" that is blind theory
itsybitsysmithy: annoys me
itsybitsysmithy: and tha'ts just how it is
saucerpilot1947: (i was also arguing that even if something people believe is erroneous it's imprtant to know what people think, simply for the fact that people's opinions influence descisions. "know you're enemy" etc.)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)
As I am enrolled in an art school with "rolling (read: open) admissions) these are the sort of things I run into daily. I will give one example.
Professor Steven Asma (the apple of my eye T.B.S): So, you see, art needs a certain amount of science. Is anyone here in the visual arts (some hands raise). Ok, and those of you in visual arts, do you use science? (some heads nod. one particular student raises his hand) Yes?
Student: I don't use no science.
Professor Asma: No? What visual art are you studying?
Student: Film (Me: scoff)
Asma: Ok, how is that?
Student: Well, like I don't think there need to be science because for me film is all about the inspirations. Them terms don't mean anything.
Asma: Uh-uh, and can you tell me any other director who use this sort of method? I don't know much about film.
Student: Well, PT Anderson for one.
Me: Are you kidding me? FIRST OF ALL... You can't have film with out technology, I won't even get into that, but as far as PT Andersen goes, look at the symmetry of every single shot. Perfection like that doesn't come without science and theory
Student: Well, I mean, PT Anderson hates D&P and he ain't standing there on every shot using a ruler.
Me: NO, because if you know your theory you stop needing a ruler.
(Bat lashes at Professor Steven Asma)
Asma: Ok, let's move on
(Insert my discussion about John Cage, 24 blank stares, and one giddy smile from Asma here)
― Holly (an appletross), Wednesday, 13 October 2004 17:10 (twenty-one years ago)
two months pass...