WHY DOES ITUNES SHUFFLE PLAY THE SAME SHIT OVER AND OVER

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WTF? I have nearly 2000 songs on my Powerbook right now and iTunes shuffle seems to play the same 40 or 50 songs over and over, only occasionaly playing something new, just like a fucking radio station. They need to reprogram this shit or something...

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 14 October 2004 21:37 (twenty-one years ago)

WHEN COME BACK BRING RANDOM FUNCTION

dubya's emo army of compassion and guns (deangulberry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 21:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Is there a way to make it more random? Some mod script I can download or something?

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 14 October 2004 21:47 (twenty-one years ago)

YEAH YOU CAN LEARN HOW TO BE THE SMARTEST COMPUTER PROGRAMMER EVER

dubya's emo army of compassion and guns (deangulberry), Thursday, 14 October 2004 21:48 (twenty-one years ago)

WTF would it really be that hard to do? Explain why, computer geek fux.

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 14 October 2004 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah, why's it play shit by the same artist or even on the same album back to back. this is not how i want to listen to music

JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 14 October 2004 22:21 (twenty-one years ago)

or even on the same album
That's what I'm talking about! If I put the library on shuffle I want the bitch SHUFFLED!!!

AaronHz (AaronHz), Thursday, 14 October 2004 22:41 (twenty-one years ago)

make a smart playlist that plays songs that have been played less than a certain amount of times. then shuffle that. that's all.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 14 October 2004 22:55 (twenty-one years ago)

THIS IS THE BANE OF MY SEXISTANCE

DEEBZ (ddb), Thursday, 14 October 2004 22:59 (twenty-one years ago)

PEOPLE. SMART PLAYLISTS. ARE U DUMB.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i'm talkin about walking around w/my ipod. no smart playlist there dummy!

JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:03 (twenty-one years ago)

YOU ARE DUMB. YOU CAN MAKE A SMART PLAYLIST ON AN IPOD. AND THEN SHUFFLE IT.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:04 (twenty-one years ago)

teach me o smart man!

JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:07 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.cutty.org/itunes.jpg

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:15 (twenty-one years ago)

a little of the ol' RTFM tough love, eh?

JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

you have to create the smart playlists in itunes. you can either create one for itunes or directly on the ipod. choose CREATE SMART PLAYLIST, then you can fashion the playlist anyway you want.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:44 (twenty-one years ago)

MASSIVE BEATS.

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

MASSIVE TEATS

Helios Creed (orion), Thursday, 14 October 2004 23:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I DID WHAT YOU SAID WITH THE SMART PLAYLISTS AND IT'S STILL LIKE FOR EXAMPLE PLAYED 3 DAVID BOWIE SONGS IN THE PAST HOUR AND I ONLY EVEN OWN 2 DAVID BOWIE CDS WHAT NOW SMART GUY

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 15 October 2004 02:09 (twenty-one years ago)

FLAVORS OF NOISE

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 15 October 2004 02:13 (twenty-one years ago)

aaron, do you find you have bad luck in other aspects of your life as well? maybe you have a hex on yourself?

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 15 October 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

I HAVE A WICCA EX GF

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 15 October 2004 02:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Tunes, a Hard Drive And (Just Maybe) a Brain

By RACHEL DODES
Published: August 26, 2004

WHILE Bob Angus was presiding over a summer dinner party at his Upper West Side apartment in Manhattan, his Apple iPod decided to reveal its softer side.

Mr. Angus, a second-year graduate student at Columbia Business School, had selected the Shuffle Songs mode on his iPod, which was connected by an adapter cable to his stereo receiver. By doing this, he relinquished control of his 1,300-song music library -- and, as he would soon find out, of his party.

The Guns N' Roses song ''Paradise City'' blared from his speakers. It was followed by the melodic piano solo at the beginning of Elton John's ''Your Song.'' Mr. Angus's 10 guests burst into laughter.

''Everyone was rocking out,'' Mr. Angus said. ''Then Elton comes on and kills it -- it was like strike No.1 against my manhood.''

Such are the perils of using Shuffle, a genre-defying option that has transformed the way people listen to their music in a digital age. The problem is, now that people are rigging up their iPods to stereos at home and in their cars, they may have to think twice about what they have casually added to their music library.

Shuffle commands have been around since the dawn of the CD player. But the sheer quantity of music on an MP3 player like the iPod -- and in its desktop application, iTunes -- has enabled the function to take on an entirely new sense of scale and scope. It also heightens the risk that a long-forgotten favorite song will pop up, for better or for worse, in mixed company.

There is an unintended consequence of the allure of Shuffle: it is causing iPod users to question whether their devices ''prefer'' certain types of music.

Revere Greist, a doctoral student and amateur bicycle racer in Los Angeles, has concluded that his iPod's Shuffle command favors the rapper 50 Cent -- and perhaps more important, that it knows exactly the right time to play 50 Cent's biggest hit, ''In Da Club.'' He finds the dramatic beat, coupled with the lyrics ''Go Shorty, it's your birthday,'' inspirational.

Mr. Greist rides his bike 15 hours a week, often more than three hours at a time. To get him through the tedium of this workout, he created a 40-song mix called ''What It Takes,'' a name derived from a quotation on a documentary film about Lance Armstrong's training for the 2000 Tour de France. (After Armstrong defies his team manager's orders and races up a snowy mountain, his team manager says into the camera, ''Now, that's what it takes to win the Tour de France.'')

The iPod ''knows somehow when I am reaching the end of my reserves, when my motivation is flagging,'' Mr. Greist insisted. ''It hits me up with 'In Da Club,' and then all of a sudden I am in da club.''

For Mr. Angus, though, Shuffle can be a workout killer. He said that while working out at the gym, his portable music player invariably drifts toward the Billboard Top 40.

''It really likes Ruben Studdard,'' the winner of ''American Idol's'' second season, Mr. Angus said. This, despite the fact that he only has one song of Mr. Studdard's -- the soulful ballad ''Sorry 2004'' -- stored on his 20-gigabyte player. ''There's nothing worse than when you are having an intense workout and Ruben comes on,'' he said, ''but it seems to always happen to me.''

Lucy Shaw, a social worker in New York, has stopped using Shuffle altogether. ''It was totally not reading my moods,'' she said. It would play upbeat music when she was feeling low, and dark, somber selections when she was feeling upbeat. Furthermore, she said, her device had a penchant for picking songs containing four minutes of dead air followed by a bonus track -- like Brian Ferry's ''More Than This'' (the song to which Bill Murray sings karaoke in ''Lost in Translation,'' a bonus track on the film's soundtrack album).

These people are not the only ones who think that iPods have minds of their own. IPod enthusiasts are throwing all manner of Shuffle conspiracy theories around on Internet message boards, ranging from the somewhat plausible to the absurd.

At the macslash.org discussion site, one posting said: ''I'm pretty sure iTunes is not sorting my songs randomly. It seems to learn. I'd say it's using some Bayesian logic and/or simple neural networks to vary probabilities of songs to be selected and adjust parameters of selection by the users history of song skipping.''

When confronted with such elaborate theories, Stan Ng, Apple Computer's director of iPod product marketing, laughed. ''The funny thing about it is that it really is random,'' he said. ''When you turn on Shuffle Songs, it creates a randomized list of all the music on your iPod without repeating a song.''

That is to say, if you listened on Shuffle to all 1,000 songs stored on an iPod Mini, you would theoretically never hear the same song twice, much the way you would never get two queens of hearts if you pulled cards from a single deck one by one. (Conversely, if you select Random on the iTunes Smart Playlist function, you might hear the same song twice in a row, though it is unlikely.)

The popularity of the listening mode led Apple's product design team to add Shuffle to the main menu on the fourth-generation iPod, which was introduced on July 19. Now, instead of having to scroll down into Settings to turn Shuffle on or off, users have it at their fingertips.

Mr. Ng said that the technology behind the Shuffle function has remained the same since the first-generation iPod. He declined to reveal the algorithm used to generate randomness on Shuffle, but said the only reason that an iPod might seem to know a listener's preferences is that the listener, after all, chose the music in the first place.

''I have friends who say, 'My iPod is, like, totally into 80's music,''' Mr. Ng said. ''And I will say to them, 'Well, how much 80's music do you have on your iPod?''' The answer, he said, is usually an amount sufficient to ensure a steady stream of Flock of Seagulls and Duran Duran.

This logical explanation doesn't always jibe with users' experiences. Dan Cedarholm, a Web designer in Salem, Mass., insists that his iPod has a predilection for the indie punk band Fugazi. Even though he only has two of the band's albums stored on his ''vintage'' 5-gigabyte device, the band seems to dominate his iPod to a degree wildly disproportionate to the amount of space it occupies on his player's memory, he said.

''It is truly bizarre,'' said Mr. Cedarholm, who no longer likes Fugazi. ''Before, it was this hidden gem, and when I heard them I would be like, 'Oh yeah. Fugazi. Cool.'''

Now he hits the Fast Forward button.

Mr. Cedarholm has contemplated removing all Fugazi songs from his iPod, but he said he fears that ''the baton will get passed'' to some other band, like his beloved Pixies, ''and God help me if I wind up hating them too.''

According to Mr. Ng, there is no way that an iPod can be a ''fan'' of a particular artist or band. Rather, he asserted, the anthropomorphizing of the iPod is ''just another example of how much people love them.''

Other MP3 players, like those from iRiver and Rio, also have Shuffle functions. But because of its popularity and larger market share, the iPod is the overwhelming focus of online tales and conjecture on the subject.

Dan Torres, vice president for product marketing at Rio, whose iPod competitor is called the Rio Karma, said the topic of the randomness of Shuffle comes up often in Rio's discussion forums as well. ''I think that one of the issues is that it is easy for users to perceive that if two songs come up right next to each other from the same artist that the Shuffle feature is not working,'' he said. ''But statistically, this will just happen from time to time.''

There are ways to circumvent Shuffle -- on an iPod at least -- by using iTunes, most notably by creating a Smart Playlist. Indeed, one could argue that the most innovative thing about the iPod is not the number of songs that can be stored on it, but the intelligent ways in which the iTunes software can manage users' music. After all, having 10,000 songs on a tiny device is relatively useless unless you can play exactly what you want, when you want it.

Creating Smart Playlists enables users to slice and dice their music libraries using pretty much any criteria they want. One can produce, for example, an entire list of songs that share nothing other than that they occupy the seventh track on their respective albums. The Date Added subcategory can be used as the selection criteria to generate a mix of songs that have been added to the iPod over the course of, say, the last two weeks.

The Smart Playlists function is relatively easy to use -- there is even a Web site, www.smartplaylists.com, devoted to creating them -- but it is more difficult than simply clicking on Shuffle, and it seems to be popular among more technically inclined iPod owners. (Most people interviewed for this article had never heard of Smart Playlists, let alone used them.)

An added benefit of Smart Playlists is that they can reduce the chances of having your iPod ruin an intimate moment.

Bob Angus, the Columbia Business School student, became enthusiastic at the mention of the Smart Playlist function and wanted to hear more.

Once when he and his girlfriend were together in his bedroom, he said, his iPod started blasting the Beastie Boys' ''No Sleep Till Brooklyn.''

''I jumped out of bed as fast as I could,'' he recalled. ''But it had already wrecked the mood.'' In the future, he said, he will try not to let his iPod run wild.

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 15 October 2004 02:16 (twenty-one years ago)

He finds the dramatic beat, coupled with the lyrics ''Go Shorty, it's your birthday,'' inspirational.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 15 October 2004 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

there is nothing wrong with "Your Song," really.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 15 October 2004 02:42 (twenty-one years ago)

it was like strike No.1 against my manhood. = OMG NOW EVERYONE KNOWS I HAVE ELTON JOHN ON MY IPOD AND THEREFORE MUST BE TEH GAY AND GNR WAS JUST A BEARD

AaronHz (AaronHz), Friday, 15 October 2004 02:46 (twenty-one years ago)

if you are embarassed to hear something on shuffle... it shouldn't be on your ipod!

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 15 October 2004 10:12 (twenty-one years ago)

THAT ARTICLE WAS TERRIBLE.

DEEBZ (ddb), Friday, 15 October 2004 13:20 (twenty-one years ago)

6 MINUTES I WILL NEVER GET BACK

DEEBZ (ddb), Friday, 15 October 2004 13:21 (twenty-one years ago)

what's wrong with having sex while listening to no sleep til brooklyn anyway, i say they need to broaden their horizons more than itunes needs to stop being a shuffle fascist.

Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Friday, 15 October 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

IPOD FETISHISM IS FOR COCKSUCKERS.

Helios Creed (orion), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

MY IPOD LOVESSSSSSSSSSSS TIM HECKER.

DEEBZ (ddb), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:29 (twenty-one years ago)

SLURP** SLURP**

DEEBZ (ddb), Friday, 15 October 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

three months pass...
The iPod ''knows somehow when I am reaching the end of my reserves, when my motivation is flagging,'' Mr. Greist insisted. ''It hits me up with 'In Da Club,' and then all of a sudden I am in da club.''

HAHAHAHAHAHHA.

Andrew (enneff), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

OTOH, sometimes my iPod displays awesome dj skills, like playing two songs in a row that are in the same tempo and key.

Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

NO SLEEP TIL BROOKLYN IS TOTAALLLY OK TO HAVE SEC TO OK?

Allyzay Highlights The Fallacy of Radiohead (allyzay), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

i'm thankful for reading that, because it reminded me to download 'Your Song' and 'Daniel'!

derrick (derrick), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 07:11 (twenty years ago)

Mr. Angus, a second-year graduate student at Columbia Business School,

I stopped reading the article after this phrase. Tard.

Oh yeah, I listened to "Daniel" and "Your Song" just the other night. Guess I'm gay, too.

sugarpants (sugarpants), Wednesday, 2 February 2005 16:07 (twenty years ago)


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