OK, IS IT ME OR DOES IRMIN SCHMIDT COME OFF LIKE A TOTAL DOOSH IN THE CAN DOC.

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HE SEEMS COMPLETLY TALENTLESS, WOULD CAN BE BETTER WITHOUT KEYBOARDS.

HOLGER RULES THOUGH, CAN YOU GUIDE ME TO HIS BETTER SOLO STUFF PLEASE, DID JAKI PUT OUT SOLO RECORDS?

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― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I thought Holger seemed a little weird at some points in his interview... saying music was work and what not.

Jaki is treatsy and I think his English comprehension could use some work.

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:51 (twenty-one years ago)

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― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:52 (twenty-one years ago)

irmin was the only classically trained one in can, so maybe he does come off a little stilted.

but his keyboard style was very creative, a lot of karate chopping and swooshing.

jaki has released a lot of solo stuff, some with jah wobble.

holger's solo stuff is hit and miss, some is horribly dated (the 80s stuff). jon loves ROME REMAINS ROME.

i have it if you want.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Do you already know about Holger solo? If not get:

Canaxis
Rome Remains Rome

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:55 (twenty-one years ago)

IRMIN's CHAINMAIL=CLASSIC

ITS JUST THEY KEEP SAYING THAT THEY WERE A "GROUP" AND THERE WAS NO "LEADER" AND SCHMIDT DID ALL THE TALKING IN THE INTERVIEWS, HE CAME OFF LIKE A CREEP.

I CAN SEE THAT JAKI IS QUIET AND JUST WANTS TO DESTROY THE DRUMS...BUT SHUT UP UP IRMIN, YOU SUCK!

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Rome Remains Rome is so fucking great!!!! Der Osten Est Rot is meh

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:56 (twenty-one years ago)

I Dont have any solo can stuff..it always scared me...it seemed like WORLD MUSIC.

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I felt like the Can DVD was kind of rude to Damo and Malcolm.

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I WANT JAKI SOLO, JUST DESTROYING THE DRUMS...WHERE IS THAT?

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:57 (twenty-one years ago)

FUCK THOSE DUDES, I LIKE DAMO (IN SMALL DOSES, TURTLES HAVE SHORT REGS JUS FA WORKIN)...BUT MALCOLM SUCKED.

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:58 (twenty-one years ago)

Drums Off Chaos has some good tracks IIRC for jaki... I think that's what it is called.

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 15:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Find messages from I Love Everything, containing damo, after 1 Jan 2005.

2 results found:

Puzzle: How do I find a drug dealer?

Silly me. Damo Suzuki is playing locally in a month, if I can't score there then I don't deserve it anyway. Ta Shakey.

-- Schlock (galou...), February 4th, 2005.

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:00 (twenty-one years ago)

why does malcolm suck?

― msp (msp), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:02 (twenty-one years ago)

HIS TONE COUPLED WITH TERRIBLE LYRICS.

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:05 (twenty-one years ago)

malcolm rules.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:07 (twenty-one years ago)

OH IM ALSO RACIST.

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

CAN ARE BETTER WITH NO VOCALS.

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I like the Malcolm tracks on Soundtracks! Damo is the best vocalist though.

I can't get into post-Soon Over Babaluma Can, but that one is ace.

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:10 (twenty-one years ago)

JW OTM, MALCOM'S STUFF ON SDTRKS IS GOOD.
AND HE OWNS ON SHE BRINGS THE RAIN AND THAT LONG TALKIE SONG ON UNLIMITED EDITION. BUT AFTER THAT IM OUT!

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

malcolm, like you, typed in all caps, ALL THE TIME!

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:13 (twenty-one years ago)

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― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:19 (twenty-one years ago)

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― msp (msp), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:36 (twenty-one years ago)

DDB YOU DO NOT LIKE YOO DOO RIGHT? MENTALISM.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:44 (twenty-one years ago)

YEAH ITS ALRIGHT...BUT HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO HEAR THAT I DOO RIGHT.

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 16:51 (twenty-one years ago)

*POSITIVE REENFORCEMENT*

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 17:49 (twenty-one years ago)

malcolm >>>>>>>>>damo

― jack cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 17:51 (twenty-one years ago)

IRMIN RULED. LISTEN TO ALBUMS AGAIN. SOLOING ON "HALLELUWAH" WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

malcolm/damo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rosko gee

― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:02 (twenty-one years ago)

is that malcolm divided by damo???

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Video of Can on the Beat Club doing "Paperhouse" = proof that Irmin was "a wizard and a true star" (as Julian Cope said).

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Michael Karoli was actually the least amazing player in the group.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Jaki's first solo project was the band Phantom Band, introducing Sheldon Ancel on lead vocals who later turned up all over Czukay's solo albums, for better or worse. I don't recommend the Phantom Band records.

Sheldon has a weird style and when he's on, he's on, but when's he's off it creeps me out, it's as if the English-as-a-2nd-Language Can guys found another loopy Black American dude and turned him loose, and they can't tell that some of Sheldon's rhymes are WACK (rhyming "I Ride The Freight Train of Love" with "I Ride The Freight Train of Love"... wait a minute, brilliant)

I like Czukay's Movies and On The Way To The Peak Of Normal even more than Can 68-74, 'cause they taught me much about tape editing; Czukay no longer has to worry about hurting the other band members feelings anymore, he doesn't have to faithfully assemble band performances as on the Can records, he's free to slice everyone's parts into pieces and put them back together again and layer them over with hordes of shortwave counterpoint.

Der Osten Ist Rot has some great songs (title track and the ending drone) and lots of filler, but Rome Remains Rome is the full production high effort Weird Pop Record and it's fantastic. I like some things on some of the later records, but only get those later.

Irmin and Czukay didn't like each other much towards the end, you can see them sniping in the Can Doc, Irmin's a regressive classical dork and his solo records lay on the chamber music cheese with all wildness surgically removed but there's one 15 minute piece, "Man On Fire", from one of his solo Soundtracks albums, worth downloading.

― (Jon L), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:37 (twenty-one years ago)

writing more than one sentence probably not so noise, sorrys

― (Jon L), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

IRMIN RULED. LISTEN TO ALBUMS AGAIN. SOLOING ON "HALLELUWAH" WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START.

-- Tim Ellison (timejeanne...), February 8th, 2005.

NOT OTM. IVE LISTENED TO THE RECORDS 4,OOO TIMES. I THINK HE IS WEAK. KARATE CHOPPING A KEYBOARD DOES NOTHING FOR ME. HE HAD NO CONTROL OVER HIS SOUND, IT WAS ALL RANDOM, AND HE LOOKED LIKE HE WAS STRUGGLING TO "DO STUFF" IN A LOT OF THOSE PERFORMANCES.

Michael Karoli was actually the least amazing player in the group.

-- Tim Ellison (timejeanne...), February 8th, 2005.

OTM, IN THAT KAROLI REALLY ADDED NOTHING, HIS SOLO'S WERE ACCEPTABLE/MEDIOCRE AT BEST.

BUT HIS GUITAR SOUND IS FUCKING DISGUSTING, AND SEEMED TO GET WORSE AS TIME WENT ON.

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

THX FOR THE INFO MILTON!

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 20:11 (twenty-one years ago)

DUDE YOU ARE SO FUCKING WRONG ABOUT IRMIN IT'S RIDICULOUS. I'LL FIND SOME EXAMPLES FOR YOU IF I HAVE TO.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

OK FIND ME SOME, I DONT KNOW HIS SOLO RECORDS!....BUT SAYING YOU STUDIED WITH STOCKHAUSEN IS MEANINGLESS.

YOU DO AGREE THAT JACKI IS THE REAL MUSCLE OF THE BAND RIGHT????

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 20:21 (twenty-one years ago)

The organ soloing near the end of "Halleluwah" is the greatest moment in all of Krautrock.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 20:54 (twenty-one years ago)

75 unheralded post-Beatles McCartney greatz!!

― (Jon L), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 21:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Check "Half Past One" from Landed, too.

Can:

Best drummer in all rock history
Best bass player in all rock history
Best keyboardist in all rock history

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

I WANT JAKI SOLO, JUST DESTROYING THE DRUMS...WHERE IS THAT?

not solo but c'mon over some time and listen to Manfred Schoof, "European Echoes." Jaki plays KILLER FREE JAZZ DRUMS on that and slays all within earshot.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:01 (twenty-one years ago)

thoughts:

1) I agree with the premise of the thread. After watching the DVD, I came to the same conclusion (that Irmin's playing ain't that great and he's kinda annoying as a person too).

2) Based on the CD of solo stuff that came with the DVD set, it doesn't seem like Jaki's playing is as interesting as it used to be. Too cerebral and not powerful enough or something.

3) I like Karoli and think his "Sofortkontakt" tracks are the best ones on that CD.

4) I've downloaded some random things from Czukay ("Der Osten ist Rot", some tracks from the EP he did with Jah Wobble....) and all of it annoys the hell out of me.

5) I'm beginning to think Damo's stuff is where it's at, solo wise. The thing he just released with Cul De Sac is my favorite album right now.

― cheshy f cät (chëshy f cat), Tuesday, 8 February 2005 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

point #3 seconded!

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:08 (twenty-one years ago)

WHO IS CHESHY F CAT. LURKER LURKER.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:10 (twenty-one years ago)

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― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:18 (twenty-one years ago)

that much i knew.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:21 (twenty-one years ago)

but DID YOU KNOW that EARTHLINK used to be owned by the CHURCH OF $CIENT0LOGY?

― Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:26 (twenty-one years ago)

~~PRAWNED!~~ CLAMMED!

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 00:29 (twenty-one years ago)

cheshyfire cat is a san diego dudeman, a lover of things proggy (w/ a soft spot for some metal). he pretends to be a curmudgeon but he's really a softie! :-D

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:00 (twenty-one years ago)

i'll vouch for the kitty -- he's a good cat.

― jack cole (jackcole), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:05 (twenty-one years ago)

re: soft spot for some metal -

how did you know that?!? (____) sent me some Electric Wizard which I really like, but I don't remember ever talking about it.

I think I've posted on this board a couple times before, but I don't remember where.

Oh, and the "f" doesn't stand for fire.

― chëshy (chëshy f cat), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

dude, i know you better than you do! seriously!

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Karoli really does suck doesn't he? i hadn't thought of it that way before. Christ, and I can't think of another band I'd rather play guitar for. anybody could solo over that shit. What an asshole.

― Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 02:19 (twenty-one years ago)

jaki sux.
i luv mo tucker.

― SARScasm-o (orion), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 02:20 (twenty-one years ago)

I can play every VU song on drums.

― he does guitar with his mouth lmao mint (ex machina), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 02:24 (twenty-one years ago)

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DO YOU THINK SHES TOO OLD TO HAVE MY BABIES

― Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

MO TU IN COSBY SWEATER.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 02:58 (twenty-one years ago)

"After watching the DVD, I came to the same conclusion (that Irmin's playing ain't that great)"

Christ, another one. Will you people please listen to the cuts I identified? His elec. piano playing on "Paperhouse" would be another, although it's harder to hear the articulations with his machine gun riffing on that. If you have the video of them doing the song on Beat Club you can see him playing it there.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 05:10 (twenty-one years ago)

one of my college professors was buddies with irmin at darmstadt.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 09:11 (twenty-one years ago)

his PLAYING on paperhaus is HORRID.

DUDE, U NEED TO LEARN QUALITY CONTROL, SERIOUSLY.

― A sprawling collection of raw instrumental rock (ddb), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 12:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I bet you can't even tell what he's doing there. Have you seen the video and have you listened to the other two tracks that I mentioned? For fuck sake...

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:03 (twenty-one years ago)

I went to Darmstadt and fiddled around. It's a cool town, lots of Americans though.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:11 (twenty-one years ago)

oh MILTON!!! I saw Jaki play with Burnt Friedman in Kyoto... it was pretty great, he still sounds pretty solid. My friend and I were talking to Seiichi for the second half of the set though so I was a little distracted.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:29 (twenty-one years ago)

GEEZ TIM SETTLE DOWN, IS IRMIN YOUR DAD OR SOMETHING.

I bet you can't even tell what he's doing there
WTF TIM? YOU WANNA SEE MY TRANSCRIPT FROM BERKLEY MUSIC ACADEMY? SPEAK TO MY BROFESSORS ON THE PHONE? MAYBE STICK YOUR HAND UP MY WIFE'S BLOUSE. DOOD I AINT NO DICKLESS ILM TWAT. LIKE YOU, I TOO AM "IN THE GAME".

― ddb (ddb), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:36 (twenty-one years ago)

(the previous posting was sent from roffle city, usa.)

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:37 (twenty-one years ago)

I am envious. I have got to make it to Kyoto.

I saw the Karoli/Suzuki show at Justice League five years back or so... spent fifty minutes hating on the boring formless jams of the opening band, just waiting for the nothing to end, when suddenly during the last number I'm all 'wait a minute' and then the singer says 'WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK FOR A SECOND SET' and I look at him closer and oh dear it was Damo

― (Jon L), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:43 (twenty-one years ago)

ddb i'm just saying that he's doing some of that same super-fast, abstract-shape improvising on that first section of "paperhouse" that you hear him doing in the organ soloing at the end of "halleluwah" and throughout much of "half past one." because of the mix on "paperhouse," you can't hear all of the articulations and can't necessarily tell--unless you're listening for it--that he's doing this. i have no idea why you say it's horrid.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, did you see Holger play when he made the rounds last time? It was really expensive and I ended up going to a cheaper show instead.

"the justice league" haha, i only went there a few times (i went to the kennel club a few times, including PAVEMENT IN 1992). i did see a great jim o'rourke/nobukazu takemura show there though. v00redoms are coming in May!

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 18:52 (twenty-one years ago)

justice league/kennel club, May will be my first visit to the Independent. Must be better now that they have the bar out of the middle of the room.

I saw that Czukay show -- basically a DJ set with extra noises over the top. Frustrating amount of obvious miming, singing along with the original vocals, even pretending to play certain keyboard parts -- but the live versions of the stuff from New Millenium were surprisingly different/good, his comedy routines between songs were weird x 4 and he opened with 'Biomutanten'

I really liked the Czukay/Walker show in 98, they played for over 2 hours straight, Czukay laying into some serious noises. The excerpt from the SF show is the best part of that 2 CD set they put out.

― (Jon L), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:08 (twenty-one years ago)

i saw some serious JAMZ at justice league. they had all the good underground hip-hop shit worth listening to.
m.

― msp (msp), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:36 (twenty-one years ago)

i walked by and poked my head in on my way to the market when The Streets was soundchecking one afternoon, it was ROFL.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:38 (twenty-one years ago)

GEEZERS NEED EXCITEMENT

― Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah dude, we need taiwan deth to play bingo night. pass out some tums first tho.
m.

― msp (msp), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

are you gonna throw chips?

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 9 February 2005 19:59 (twenty-one years ago)

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