― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)
― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)
― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:32 (nineteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)
Is there any reason to believe there is a better alternative
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 18:58 (nineteen years ago)
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)
smart, thoughtful/analytic, good at forging consensus, at least decent judgment, better able than many to call citizens to a civic republican ideal and/or provide a sense of meaning/identity
it's easy to argue that many others would make better presidents, and perhaps the landscape has shifted sufficiently that we may want to reduce electability concerns, but i'm not sure it's correct.
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:04 (nineteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:06 (nineteen years ago)
(xp - see, gabbneb is willing to try)
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:06 (nineteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)
― bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)
― bb (bbrz), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)
jor-el in 08
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)
― chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:34 (nineteen years ago)
huh??
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 19:56 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)
Low rating from conservativesIf youfre a conservative, therefs no surprise here: Obama isnft one of you, except on his support for more disclosure of earmarks - targeted federal spending for local projects.
The American Conservative Union, a right-of-center group that issues a report card on the voting records of members of Congress, gives Obama an 8 out of 100 lifetime rating.
If youfre eco-friendly and want to see certain places kept off limits to oil and gas exploration, Obama is one of you.
Last March he voted against a bill that would have paved the way to oil and gas exploration in part of Alaskafs Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Last July he voted to filibuster a bill that would have opened eight million acres in the Gulf of Mexico to oil and gas drilling.
The confirmation vote on Chief Justice John Roberts provides a good case study in how Obama places himself on the political spectrum: he aligned himself with West Coast and Northeastern liberals in his party such as Sens. Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein of California and Sens. Charles Schumer and Hillary Clinton of New York, all of whom noted against Roberts.
Obama was at odds with western and southern Democrats, most of whom who voted for Roberts: Sens. Max Baucus of Montana, Ken Salazar of Colorado, Mary Landrieu of Louisiana and others.
Praise for John RobertsIn explaining why he voted against Roberts, Obama told the Senate that he was gsorely temptedh to vote for him. Why?
* gThere is absolutely no doubt in my mind Judge Roberts is qualified to sit on the highest court in the land,h Obama said.* gHe seems to have the comportment and the temperament that makes for a good judge. He is humble, he is personally decent, and he appears to be respectful of different points of view.h* gHe does, in fact, deeply respect the basic precepts that go into deciding 95 percent of the cases that come before the Federal court: adherence to precedence, a certain modesty in reading statutes and constitutional text, a respect for procedural regularity, and an impartiality in presiding over the adversarial system.h
So whatfs not to like?Obama said he was skeptical of Robertsfs gdeepest values,h his gbroader perspectives on how the world worksh and his gempathy.h
According to Obama, the chief justice nominee told him that ghe doesn't like bullies and has always viewed the law as a way of evening out the playing field between the strong and the weak.h
But Obama didnft believe it.
gHe has far more often used his formidable skills on behalf of the strong in opposition to the weak,h Obama said.Roberts 'dismissive' on race and women's rightsObamafs assessment: ghe seemed to have consistently sided with those who were dismissive of efforts to eradicate the remnants of racial discriminationh and gseemed dismissive of the concerns that it is harder to make it in this world and in this economy when you are a woman rather than a man.h
Although Obama did not specify what evidence he had for these judgments, he was probably referring to cases such as one in 1990, when as a Justice Department official, Roberts opposed use of racial preferences by the Federal Communications Commission in awarding broadcast licenses, and in 1982, as a Reagan administration lawyer, when he opposed lowering the standard in voting rights cases from needing to prove a racially discriminatory intent to only needing to show a discriminatory effect.
Perhaps because he is the child of a biracial marriage, Obama seems especially concerned about government treatment of racial minorities.Story continues below « advertisement
As a member of the Illinois state senate in 1999, he sponsored a bill to require police to compile statistics on the racial identity of all motorists they stop, a response to allegations that police stopped black drivers more frequently than white drivers.
In 2001 he voted against a bill in the Illinois legislature that would have allowed the death penalty to be imposed if a gang member committed murder "in furtherance of the activities of a gang.h
Obama said it would treat black and Latino people unfairly, and that lawmakers were over-reacting to one incident in which gang members murdered a man in Chicago.
gIt's problematic for us to continually pass criminal laws based on anecdote. When we have a single situation when a prosecutor doesn't get what he wants, we come down here and pass a law, which is why we have a criminal code rife with contradictions," the Associated Press quoted Obama as saying.
Self government for HawaiiansIn 2005, Obama, who was born in Hawaii, supported a bill, the Native Hawaiian Government Reorganization Act which would have allowed Native Hawaiians to set up their own governmental body to open government-to-government negotiations with the United States.
The bill limited eligibility to take part in this new government to the direct lineal descendants of gthe aboriginal, indigenous, native peopleh who lived in Hawaiian Islands prior to 1893.
Explaining why he backed the bill, Obama said, gYoung Native Hawaiians have had difficulties in terms of unemployment, in terms of being able to integrate into the economy of the islandsc Some of the historical legacies of what has happened in Hawaii continue to burden the Native Hawaiians for many years into the future.h
The new governing body would gmake sure that the Native Hawaiiansc are full members and not left behind as Hawaii continues to progress.h
But critics of the bill, such as Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said it gwould create a race-based and racially separate government for Native Hawaiians.h
In the end the supporters of the bill could not overcome the 60-vote filibuster threshold.
Out of Iraq, but with some conditionsOn the premier issue of the day, the war in Iraq, Obama has called for a gradual withdrawal of American troops.
But in a speech last November he left openings for a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq.
He specified a number of conditions under which the withdrawal could halted or delayed, for example gif the parties in Iraq reach an effective political arrangement that stabilizes the situation and they offer us a clear and compelling rationale for maintaining certain troop levelsh and gif at any point U.S. commanders believe that a further reduction would put American troops in danger.h
And he made it clear that, for him, leaving Iraq did not mean leaving northern Iraq, the Kurdish region.
gDrawing down our troops in Iraq will allow us to redeploy additional troops to Northern Iraq and elsewhere in the in the region as an over-the-horizon force,h he said.
He said it was important to gconsolidate gains in Northern Iraq, reassure allies in the Gulf, allow our troops to strike directly at al-Qaida wherever it may exist, and demonstrate to international terrorist organizations that they have not driven us from the region.h
Last week Obama said he was trying to figure out some way to pay for some operations in Iraq, but not pay for the additional 21,500 troops that President Bush has ordered to go there.
Obama said he wanted to avoid ga game of chickenh with the president.
The gbig dilemma,h he said, is gtrying to figure out what mechanism we can use to stop what Ifm convinced is the wrong policy, without shortchanging the young men and women whofve already been deployed.h
This carefully modulated position seems right in character for a politician who has already gotten very far in his ten-year career as an elected official.
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)
― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)
― deej.. (deej..), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)
― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)
― cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)
― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)
"Sen. Obama is the kind of unique transformational candidate who surfaces once in a generation... an Obama presidency would ignite a feeling of national purpose and renewal that our country has not witnessed in my lifetime.
Obama’s victory would crystallize this country’s movement beyond race and ethnicity as political impediments. That promise is too powerful for me to equivocate, maneuver or sit on the sidelines.”
― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:05 (nineteen years ago)
― PRKLTR (flezaffe), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:06 (nineteen years ago)
is there any reason to believe that he will be a good president? -- cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 16 January 2007
^^^^ clinton operative
― gershy, Friday, 14 March 2008 08:22 (eighteen years ago)
so very assassinatable
-- PRKLTR (flezaffe), Tuesday, 16 January 2007 22:06
haha
― am0n, Friday, 14 March 2008 14:29 (eighteen years ago)
CAPS
― and what, Tuesday, 18 March 2008 18:48 (eighteen years ago)
"perhaps the landscape has shifted sufficiently that we may want to reduce electability concerns" - ye gods
― balls, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 04:35 (eighteen years ago)
ILE Primaries thread is now 80%+ Kool-Aid drinkin' Obamania fantasists
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:32 (eighteen years ago)
Who on the primaries thread do you want to hate fuck the most
― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:34 (eighteen years ago)
nearly anyone but DMX? (who has some of the more astute comments on it)
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:35 (eighteen years ago)
and I only fuck with loooooooooooooooove
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 19 March 2008 21:36 (eighteen years ago)
lol, Morbs ain't drinkin the Obama Kool-aid cos he knows a motherfucker can't be named Barack
― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 20 March 2008 05:59 (eighteen years ago)
What the fuck?! That ain’t no fuckin’ name, yo. That ain’t that nigga’s name. You can’t be serious. Barack Obama. Get the fuck outta here.
-- Dr Morbius, Wednesday, March 19, 2008 4:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 20 March 2008 06:08 (eighteen years ago)
^ a++
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 20 March 2008 06:13 (eighteen years ago)
ah, stealing 'twat's fakey act, shame
― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 20 March 2008 13:42 (eighteen years ago)
C- for the last 3 posts
― deej, Thursday, 20 March 2008 16:29 (eighteen years ago)
http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2008/05/06/PH2008050602567.jpg
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 03:56 (eighteen years ago)
http://texansforobama.typepad.com/blog/images/obama_wearing_ray_skidmores_stetson_y603_2.jpg
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 03:57 (eighteen years ago)
http://blog.nola.com/times-picayune/2007/08/large_obama.JPG
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 03:59 (eighteen years ago)
http://files.blog-city.com/files/aa/2370/p/f/obama_wife_celebrity.jpg
― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 04:00 (eighteen years ago)
up the arse
― gershy, Wednesday, 7 May 2008 04:04 (eighteen years ago)
its gonna be awesome when hes president
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:32 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
― ban or astroban? (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 7 November 2008 16:21 (seventeen years ago)
Prescient thread. </BRAGGIN'>
― jaymc, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:11 (seventeen years ago)
we have jhoshea calling it on the first pres speculation thread in 2006
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:12 (seventeen years ago)
do ppl outside chicago get extra credit? +omar little but he only lives in LA he's really chicago at heart
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:14 (seventeen years ago)
― myspace password secretary (J0rdan S.), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:16 (seventeen years ago)
― ⊕-----⊕-----⊕ (Pleasant Plains), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:29 (seventeen years ago)
― jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Tuesday, January 16, 2007 6:32 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark
― BIG HOOS' macaroni is off the motherfucking chain (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:34 (seventeen years ago)
attention: we have now achieved awesome
― gabbneb, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:36 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.bradblog.com/Images/siren.gif
― gabbneb, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:39 (seventeen years ago)
is this a safe place to admit that until that last week i still didn't think (poll #s be damned) that it was going to happen
so awesome that it did
― BIG HOOS' macaroni is off the motherfucking chain (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:43 (seventeen years ago)
shit i called this back in nov '04, need i remind everyone
― omar little, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:44 (seventeen years ago)
no?
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 00:57 (seventeen years ago)
ok good
― omar little, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 01:05 (seventeen years ago)
i like cousin larry bundgee, he's a smart and inquisitive young man
― horrible (harbl), Tuesday, 11 November 2008 01:11 (seventeen years ago)
cousin larry bundgee for FWS director
― El Tomboto, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 01:18 (seventeen years ago)
even for morbius this was a little much.
― s1ocki, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 05:03 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.objects-of-design.com/UploadImages/ProductImages/LargeImages/Letter-N-260.jpghttp://www.maliciouslyhot.net/images/heavy%20artilary/n_bomb.jpg
― moonship journey to baja, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 05:33 (seventeen years ago)
http://www.hitzonly.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/dmx.jpg
― yungblut, Tuesday, 11 November 2008 19:51 (seventeen years ago)
― every little thing she says is custos (Curt1s Stephens), Friday, 30 January 2009 03:27 (seventeen years ago)
is there any reason to believe that he will be a good president?
― The Reverend, Friday, 30 January 2009 05:44 (seventeen years ago)
http://i30.tinypic.com/wrjmeg.png
― (jaxon) ( .) ( .) (jaxon), Friday, 30 January 2009 05:55 (seventeen years ago)
damn reverend, have you even been paying attention since the inauguration?
― Dan I., Friday, 30 January 2009 06:51 (seventeen years ago)
is there any reason to believe that "The Reverend" is not a douchebag?
― Plunge Protection Team, Friday, 30 January 2009 17:48 (seventeen years ago)
― s1ocki, Tuesday, November 11, 2008 5:03 AM (2 months ago)
That wasn't me. I have a #1 suspect in mind.
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 January 2009 17:53 (seventeen years ago)
oh, we established who it was.
Reverend asked good Q
― Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 January 2009 17:55 (seventeen years ago)