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You guys heard the Marshall McLuhan interview with Dick Cavett on ubuweb? Here is an excerpt I transcribed:

DC: You know, this great nostalgia for radio ... would there have been a great nostalgia for television?

MM: This is the cliche/archetype theme.* Notice how TV went around the movies and scrapped them. And then retrieved the silence. And retrieved old movies as art forms.

DC: Mmm hmm.

MM: That's the cliche/archetype theme. That new cliche or surround will retrieve all cliche. So that when the satellites go around the planet, they scrap the planet and turn the planet into an art form which becomes ecological.

DC: Wow.

MM: Yeah. So moment Sputnik went around the planet, everybody said, "Ecology, that's IT." Until then, the word "ecology" had never occurred, but as soon as the planet went inside a satellite surround, everybody said, "Ecology." And Planet Pollute-O waited for the attentions of the ecologists. After the Garbage Apocalypse of the surround, Planet Pollute-O became ... in need of the attention of the ecologists.

* Referring to his then current book From Cliche to Archetype.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 03:43 (twenty years ago)

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK MARSHALL MCLUHAN IS TALKING ABOUT SHOCKAH!

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

i don't think even he knows. and by "he" i don't mean tim.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

"People don’t actually read newspapers. They step into them every morning like a hot bath."

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:07 (twenty years ago)

http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/mcluhan-studies/v1_iss6/Image2.gif

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:21 (twenty years ago)

http://www.trilisa.com/images/marshall_quentin.jpg

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

http://www.gingkopress.com/_cata/ima2/img/medima-1.jpg

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:23 (twenty years ago)

http://illuminationgallery.net/an/sc/mcluhan/mcluhan.gif

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/mcluhan-studies/v1_iss6/Image1.gif

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:28 (twenty years ago)

I do love the old Quentin Fiore graphics.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:36 (twenty years ago)

"Today each of us lives several hundred years in a decade."

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)

"When a thing is current, it creates currency."

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

I think he's sort of like the rough American equivalent of someone like Baudrillard, who says things that are ridiculously exaggerated but may actually have some illustrative truth in them. At 17 I was all, "Yeah! The medium really is the message!" And now I'm more thinking, "Well, ok, the medium does have a fairly strong effect on the message, but that doesn't mean that the basic content of what we're saying here would be all that different in live conversational form rather than on an internet message board."

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:40 (twenty years ago)

http://www.planetpolluto.com/images/pp_04.jpg

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:42 (twenty years ago)

The Mechanical Bride is a staggering book.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:43 (twenty years ago)

Really. You might be right about his later books, but The Mechanical Bride seems focused and on the money.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

Ok, I will check that out then.

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:48 (twenty years ago)

It's from 1951.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:49 (twenty years ago)

If you like Quentin Fiore check out Buckminster Fuller's "I Seem to be a Verb" if you get a chance.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)

I should check out Fuller more. I once read something about a calculation he did on the amount of work it would take to sustain the human race and it amounted to one hour of work per person per year.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:53 (twenty years ago)

There's a page in "Medium is the Massage" with a text/graphic that says something really great and dated that I couldn't find an image of, something roughly along the lines of, "Stop ... Look Around ... and dig ...WHAT ...IS...HAPPENING"

― Hurting (Hurting), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:54 (twenty years ago)

I think he's sort of like the rough American equivalent of someone like Baudrillard...

except mcluhan's canadian.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 04:58 (twenty years ago)

I used to really be into Baudrillard, btw. I didn't get into the most recent one I tried to read, though. I think it was called The Perfect Crime. I wonder what I'd think of a book like Seduction now.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:24 (twenty years ago)

Is Cunnilingus The Same As Heaven? (Manhattan)
What if a Woman Wanted Only Cunnilingus? (Manhattan)
An Occasional Afternoon of Just Cunnilingus? (Manhattan)
Wish The Pleasure of Cunnilingus? (Manhattan)
Join The “Joy of Cunnilingus Society” (Manhattan)
Seeking a Cunnilingus-Seeking Mature MWF (manhattan)
Mature, Elegant Lady For Cunnilingus Only? (Manhattan)
Mature, Married, Female -- Appreciates Cunnilingus? (Manhattan)

― ~~~~ DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE ~~~~ (ex machina), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:29 (twenty years ago)

http://b.im.craigslist.org/xi/wV/z6A80f4XXcwvRipX65fhGXcROIvp.jpg

― ~~~~ DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE ~~~~ (ex machina), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:30 (twenty years ago)

This makes perfect sense.

― kurt broder (dr g), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:33 (twenty years ago)

http://www.tgirllovers.com/honeylips/honeylips1.jpg

― ~~~~ DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE ~~~~ (ex machina), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 05:38 (twenty years ago)

yeah. that is all.
m.

― msp (mspa), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 06:00 (twenty years ago)

seven months pass...

From other interview (1971) on ubuweb:

"When you have a surround of instant information - which is electronic information - you have a situation surely unknown to human beings in any previous age. It means the end, for example, of subjects. When you have instant access to all information simultaneously, you can't have subjects. Children know this instinctively in the schools. You can't have jobs. You can only have roles. A job is a specialist activity with a fixed boundary, and in a resonant, simultaneous world of auditory space, you cannot retain these fixed boundaries. So, jobs are out. People prefer roleplaying."

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 7 May 2006 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Until then, the word "ecology" had never occurred, but as soon as the planet went inside a satellite surround, everybody said, "Ecology."

makes sense. The evolution of this idea could be "Ubiquitous computation" = fuel cells+ RFID +wireless broadband + GPS = command-and-control system , hopefully growing with the trend of social transparency, that can be used, as Bruce Sterling said, as "Toxin detectors of various kinds, environmental monitoring of almost every sort, biometric ID"

― S. (Sébastien Chikara), Sunday, 7 May 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

McLuhan's gravestone (he died in 1980) says "THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE" at the top in "a funky 1973 computerish font" and then has his name and dates below in "a rounded disco-ey font."

No pictures on web I can find.

― Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Saturday, 5 August 2006 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

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