I keep lookin over my shoulder and peepin around corners [f/k/a tofuman's whining thread]

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― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 30 October 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

AKA: the thread where I request that a mod lifts my yellow card
or
anonymous mod X that placed it there sound off with a pair and a dictionary so as to better debate face to face in properly spelled insults.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 30 October 2005 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

i will make sure to spell "locked" correctly
brb

― captin crunchheart (dr g), Sunday, 30 October 2005 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

what does a yellow card do, anyway?

― unconscious, honey (FE7), Sunday, 30 October 2005 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

displays a yellow box at the bottom of the page and a message like "pussey"

― captin crunchheart (dr g), Monday, 31 October 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

FE7 yellow card (GEH ZUM ZAHNARZT) remove

how useful!

― unconscious, honey (FE7), Monday, 31 October 2005 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

You're going down in fantasy this week, Forks! yeah, ok, Gates is a stud -- what else is new. but I got 2 TDs from an unlikely source in Jerry Porter. Now just need Brady to get me a couple of TDs here and I should be ok...

― The Ghost of Poppy Hidalgo (diamond), Monday, 31 October 2005 01:43 (nineteen years ago)

He's been unlocked, so he'll be back with that golden wit in a few minutes, I'm sure.

― captin crunchheart (dr g), Monday, 31 October 2005 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://tplist.millarworld.net/Images/8bpussey.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 31 October 2005 05:01 (nineteen years ago)

― cutty (mcutt), Monday, 31 October 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, that was the reference, jaymc
thanks for dragging me down to your level

― captin crunchheart (dr g), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

sorry i dont even know what this thread is in reference to

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

let us not fight tonight

― captin crunchheart (dr g), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://homepage.mac.com/alexinnyc/.Pictures/Photo%20Album%20Pictures/2005-07-31%2007.36.52%20-0700/Image-C290A4D001CF11DA.jpg

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

who is the third person there?

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Tad.

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

i thought it might be you for a sec

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

but thats not what i thought you looked like at all

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 31 October 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

who is that chick on the left? shes hot, we could read greil marcus tpgether

― eBay Item number: 7358717916 (mookie wilson), Monday, 31 October 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.livejournal.com/users/raspberrywho/154429.html

DANGER DANGER

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

what a creep
you'd think she'd be happy since the chisox won

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

she is a momus fan.

― Laura H. (laurah), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

wow what a bug up her ass. nevermind.

― eBay Item number: 7358717916 (mookie wilson), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

she's schizophrenic, dude.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

and a liar.

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:03 (nineteen years ago)

she lies a LOT.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

constantly.

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:13 (nineteen years ago)

Prove it.

― mickey raft (mickeygraft), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:17 (nineteen years ago)

We ain't going to the party
We ain't going to the game
We ain't going to the disco
Ain't gonna cruise down main

We're stealing people's mail
stealing people's mail
stealing people's mail
On a friday night

Drivin' in the mountains
Winding 'round and 'round
Rummage thru your mailboxes
Take your mail back to town

And we got license plates, wedding gifts, tax returns
Checks to politicians from real estate firms
Money, bills and cancelled checks
Pretty funny pictures of your kids

We're gonna steal your mail
On a Friday night
We're gonna steal your mail
By the pale moonlight

We got grocery sackful after grocery sackful
After grocery sackful after grocery sackful
After grocery sackful after grocery sackful
Of the private lives of you
Ha Ha

People say that we're crazy
We're sick and all alone
But when we read your letters
We're rolling on the floor

We got more license plates, wedding gifts, tax returns
Checks to politicians from real estate firms
Money, bills and cancelled checks
We cut relationships with your friends

We're gonna steal your mail
On a Friday night
We're gonna steal your mail
By the pale moonlight

We better not get caught
We'll be dumped in institutions
Where we'll be drugged and shocked
'Til we come out born-again Christians….

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:21 (nineteen years ago)

holy shit

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

Login Name mickeygraft
IP Address 24.148.70.235
235.70.148.24.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 24-148-70-235.grn-bsr1.chi-grn.il.cable.rcn.com.

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

In its simplest form, Occam's Razor states that one should make no more assumptions than needed. Put into everyday language, it says
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate [Latin]
or
Given two equally predictive theories, choose the simpler.

For example, after a storm you notice that a tree has fallen. Based on the evidence of the storm and the fallen tree, a reasonable hypothesis would be that the storm blew down the tree — a hypothesis that requires you to suspend your disbelief very little, as there exist strong logical connections binding what you already know to this solution (seeing and hearing storms tends to indeed indicate the existence of storms; storms are more than capable of felling trees). A rival hypothesis claiming that the tree was knocked over by marauding 200-metre tall space aliens requires several additional assumptions, with various logical weaknesses resulting from inconsistencies with what is already known (concerning the very existence of aliens, their ability and desire to travel interstellar distances, their ability and desire to (non-)intentionally knock down trees and the alien biology that allows them to be 200 metres tall in terrestrial gravity), and is therefore less preferable.

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:41 (nineteen years ago)

What is the purpose of violating any reasonable sense of privacy here?

Just what ARE you afraid of? You do realize that your behavior violates ANY normal person's sense of fairness. So why do you do it? Or do you refuse to articulate anything on the grounds that it may incriminate you?

― mickey raft (mickeygraft), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

this can't go on.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

I think Clowes would enjoy this.

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

this is a "happening"

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

maybe she was forks dude all along

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/socialdiary/2005/05_12_05/images/P1070559.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.baddteddy.com/stories/1/end/police.jpg http://www.baddteddy.com/stories/1/end/police.jpg http://www.baddteddy.com/stories/1/end/police.jpg

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

uh, what's with the jonas mekas picture?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

it was to get your attention, h.

apparently it worked!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

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― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

uh, what's with the jonas mekas picture?

you are losing your ability to "get" "teh jokes" i guess?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc, you are not cutty.

no, cutty, i did not "get" it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even know what any of this is about. Except I love to go through Kerry's underwear drawers, steal her mail and misfile things at her job.

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

who doesn't, jw?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

A knight in shining armor?

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but this is ilx, and we're all getting sued, right?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

joke set-up:
"this is a "happening""

execution:
google image search something warhol related, to make fun of the idea of a happening. oh, look, a picture of OLD jonas mekas, filming a girl dancing, whose shirt he just signed. that's a fucking "happening" for sure! the ROFFLES will be large!

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

it'd be better if you found a picture of jonas mekas trying to rent a dvd from a library

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:06 (nineteen years ago)

Skipping 10 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

I think Kusama would have worked better.

check out psychowoman's entry in her blog:

They're hiding all kinds of crap about my father and his connection to black music. All I know is that when he was young, he went to clubs a lot to see black rhythm and blues artists. He also knows a lot about the black south side. He used to play with black kids and stuff.

― eBay Item number: 7358717916 (mookie wilson), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

No one is claiming that Warhol invented the idea!

exactly. this isn't fucking ILE, go perform your art history exhibit somewhere else.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

Was her dad Iggy Pop?

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

cutty, your joke would've made sense if it, like, made sense!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

wait, is her father LOU REED?!

― eBay Item number: 7358717916 (mookie wilson), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

i'm sure dr g got the joke.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

raspberrywho ([info]raspberrywho) wrote,
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No...YOUR IP # and name, please.

Clearly, 'Occam's Razor' dictates that if you're acting so inappropriate, evasive and childish, that you MUST
be guilty of something.

You DO have the right to remain silent.

Perhaps you should talk to a lawyer instead of pooping on boards.

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

I for one got the joke. But not in a ha ha way. Bit of a stretch I guess but why use the easiest image?

― eBay Item number: 7358717916 (mookie wilson), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc got it, you must be proud.

next time, use some carolee schneeman and we'll all be happy:

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.henrysmiller.com/images/History/1961%20Scottish%20Rite%203%20Generations.jpg

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago)

ILE sux hard. Noize pwns all the roffles. That is why it is a victim of its own success.

― eBay Item number: 7358717916 (mookie wilson), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago)

speaking of crepes, who are you mr ebay man

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

Schizophrenic? Not. Never even was close to being diagnosed with that.

That is libel, and ILX ought to take it down, or risk being held accountable for it.

Hand over the IP # and name, please.

They must substantiate that I am a diagnosed schizophrenic and liar, or take it down.

Or are these pampered brats so truly uneducated that they don't know what
defamation of character is?

I mean, if I weren't right about their obsession, then why the need to protest
so much?

Of course, they're playing into people's hands by going on and on like this.
link post comment

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

thou doth posteth too much

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

hi, never introduced myself. just here for the roffles. enjoying the facts the board has little to do with noize of any sort.

― eBay Item number: 7358717916 (mookie wilson), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

i don't like ebay is all
don't trust it

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

the real mookie wilson:

sorta looks like dwight's older brother there.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

not as dwightish:

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:31 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i have seen a picture of mookie wilson before, thanks

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

xpost - yeah whatever hpencil

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

uh, what's with the mookie wilson picture?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:34 (nineteen years ago)

At night I can't sleep, I toss and turn
Candle sticks in the dark, visions of bodies bein burned
Four walls just starin at a nigga
I'm paranoid, sleepin with my finger on the trigger
My mother's always stressin I ain't livin right
But I ain't going out without a fight
See, everytime my eyes close
I start sweatin, and blood starts comin out my nose
It's somebody watchin the Ak'
But I don't know who it is, so I'm watchin my back
I can see him when I'm deep in the covers
When I awake I don't see the motherfucker
He owns a black hat like I own
A black suit and a cane like my own
Some might say, "Take a chill, B"
But fuck that shit! There's a nigga trying to kill me
I'm poppin in the clip when the wind blows
Every twenty seconds got me peepin out my window
Investigatin the joint for traps
Checkin my telephone for taps
I'm starin at the woman on the corner
It's fucked up when your mind is playin tricks on ya

I make big money, I drive big cars
Everybody know me, it's like I'm a movie star
But late at night, somethin ain't right
I feel I'm being tailed by the same sucker's head lights
Is it that fool that I ran off the block?
Or is it that nigga last week that I shot?
Or is it the one I beat for five thousand dollars
Thought he had 'caine but it was Gold Medal Flour
Reach under my seat, grabbed my popper for the suckers
Ain't no use to me lyin, I was scareder than a motherfucker
Hooked a left into Popeye's and bailed out quick
If it's goin down let's get this shit over with
Here they come, just like I figured
I got my hand on the motherfuckin trigger
What I saw'll make your ass start gigglin
Three black, crippled and crazy senior citizens
I live by the sword
I take my boys everywhere I go, because I'm paranoid
I keep lookin over my shoulder and peepin around corners
My mind is playin tricks on me

Day by day it's more impossible to cope
I feel like I'm the one that's doing dope
Can't keep a steady hand because I'm nervous
Every Sunday mornin I'm in service
Prayin for forgiveness
And tryin to find an exit out the business
I know the Lord is lookin at me
But yet and still it's hard for me to feel happy
I often drift while I drive
Havin fatal thoughts of suicide
BANG and get it over with
And then I'm worry-free, but that's bullshit
I got a little boy to look after
And if I died then my child would be a bastard
I had a woman down with me
But to me it seemed like she was down to get me
She helped me out in this shit
But to me she was just another bitch
Now she's back with her mother
Now I'm realizing that I love her
Now I'm feelin lonely
My mind is playin tricks on me

This year Halloween fell on a weekend
Me and Geto Boys are trick-or-treatin
Robbin little kids for bags
Till an old man got behind our ass
So we speeded up the pace
Took a look back, and he was right before our face
He'd be in for a squabble no doubt
So I swung and hit the nigga in his mouth
He was goin down, we figured
But this was no ordinary nigga
He stood about six or seven feet
Now, that's the nigga I'd be seein in my sleep
So we triple-teamed on him
Droppin them motherfuckin B's on him
The more I swung the more blood flew
Then he disappeared and my boys disappeared, too
Then I felt just like a fiend
It wasn't even close to Halloween
It was dark as fuck on the streets
My hands were all bloody, from punchin on the concrete
God damn, homie
My mind is playin tricks on me

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

best of k3rry

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

Stalker. How can you get away with this blatant stalking and these veiled threats?

I've already been the victim of a certifiable attempted murder, my mail is being stolen, I'm being slandered and libeled all over the place, and you stalk me and no one does shit about it.

Does being an accessory or an obstruction of justice mean anything to you people?

This is stalking, and no one condemns it.

― mickey raft (mickeygraft), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:43 (nineteen years ago)

i hereby condemn this stalking. but sweetheart, have you even seen the noize dude enemy list? the markelby thread? get in line.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, how is that Lightning Bolt track on the Guitar Wolf tribute?

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:45 (nineteen years ago)

Why don't you discuss - explicitly and directly - what you are doing and why you are doing it?

Your obsession and your whatever-it-is-you-are-trying-to-do are NOT normal, nor should they be condoned like this.

Address me directly, or I'll assume you're hiding something. In better ILX days, this would have been considered stalking.

― mickey raft (mickeygraft), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

have we all become one collective "you"

is there a "they"

i'm trying to level with you here, really.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

Someone address my question please. Lightning Bolt track. Discus.

― the guy who stole the papers from the Library of Congress (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

ysi?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not going through another inquisition.

Call the CPD and ask them. I'm done fending off people who insinuate that I'm lying about the attempt on my life, the harassment, the theft of my mail, and the attempt on my father's life.

Read in context at least - the individual above cannot or will not address me directly, although he appears to have a personal beef with me. Why, I do not know, as I do not even know this person's real name.

It makes sense if you can read an entire thread, but do go on with your assumptions.

― mickey raft (mickeygraft), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:49 (nineteen years ago)

i really am confused now.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:50 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't heard it yet. I just saw it listed on the CD. I'm curious.

― discus (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

"mickey" forget that guy upthread. he's a jokester. i assure you no one is out to get you, ok? just a bit of fun, let's be cool.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, no one is out to get me, which is why someone attempted a hit on me and my dad. Which is my all of my mail is disappearing and why my sister was evicted from her apartment based on a bunch of lies. Which is why my building manager lied to me and said that my dad 'verbally assaulted' the doorman on a day when he wasn't even there. Which is why crooked lying vendors I do business with slander and threaten me in private e-mails. And on and on. No - no one is out to get me. How ridiculous.

― mickey raft (mickeygraft), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:00 (nineteen years ago)

oh, well i certainly don't know those people.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

You've used Amazon.com though, Cutty. Let's be honest now.

― discus (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

i have. used amazon.com.

to buy things.

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cardbids.com/images/Baseball/10221Ripken.JPG

― discus (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

I've been looking for that jpg!

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://kurde.pl/gfx/bill_ripken.jpg

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:54 (nineteen years ago)

damn neck face gets up everywhere

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 05:56 (nineteen years ago)

Wednesday, November 2, 2005 1:06:07 AM
Senor Funkapus
AIM
1:06:07 AM
digging out 5 year old emails from one's university acct is not the easiest thing to do, i've discovered tonight

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mcpspeakers.com/jimabbottsm.jpg

― discus (dr g), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 06:16 (nineteen years ago)

From: KERRY
Date: Oct 31, 2005 6:07 PM Flag spam/abuse. [ ? ]
Subject: I hope this doesnt sound creepy at all.
Body: My dreams lastnight, good lord

You were in them, we were making out
it lead to more...

It was so incredible! I would go into more detail, but you know.. keke Just thought i'd share.

Happy Halloween Jon. <3

― Alex in Novosibirsk (ex machina), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 06:25 (nineteen years ago)

Forgery.

― mickey raft (mickeygraft), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

*lurking*

Sincerely,

national biscuit company

― national biscuit company (eman), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

kerry or mickey, or whoever. I have no idea who you are, except you might have been sitting next to tofuforkguy in that pic. I was also just kidding about us reading Greil Marcus together.

what a can of worms i have opened

― eBay Item number: 7358717916 (mookie wilson), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

was gonna link that Geto Boys track as penance but YSI be broken again

― eBay Item number: 7358717916 (mookie wilson), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, this is the best i could do:
http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2471689?htv=12

― eBay Item number: 7358717916 (mookie wilson), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

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