NOISE BOARD GRANT MORRISON THREAD (FOR THEXYDANTHER AND LAURAH)

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So I had never read Doom Patrol before! I find it quantum leaps ahead of the Invisibles, but keep in mind I did not finish the Invisibles. I still think Animal Man is my favorite, though, with We3 in a close second.

His X-Men and JLA runs are both good, but in very very different ways. I wish Seaguy had continued as an ongoing series. As it stands it does seem like a bit of a sketch, but it's funny and worth reading. The Mystery Play is kinda mediocre, I thought. I like it because it's just weird and confusing, but it also seems very fragment-y.

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

The Invisibles is definitely worth finishing.

Also search: Kill Your Boyfriend (with Philip Bond), and the Flex Mentallo mini-series (with Frank Quietly).

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

Also, though I love the entire run of Morrison's New X-Men, the "Riot at Xavier's" story-arc is my favorite (more Quietly there).

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

by the end of the invisibles i was all meh... but i like the x-men stuff.

i like animal man a lot.

morrison, on the whole, is kinda frustrating.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:00 (twenty years ago)

comics, as a whole, are kinda frustrating.

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

His X-Men run was good, and did a great deal to turn around the craptitude of the franchise, although it pretty immediately did a backslide once he was gone. What the hell is going on with all that Hellions crap now, anyway? Fuck any X-title except Astonishing (second trade out now!) or Ultimate. I didn't love Cassandra Nova, but Morrison really made me buy the Cyclops/White Queen psychic affair, which was fun if only because Scott stopped behaving like Captain Cardboard for more than 10 seconds. Which trade did Morrison kill Jean in? I missed that part of the arc and still need to pick it up.

He is rocking the shit out of JLA now; I think I like him on that better than New X-Men.

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

Ian can I borrow your new JLAs and Gotham Centrals? I spent all my money on video games and I'm too poor for new comics now.

I'll lend you my Alias/Astonishing trades!

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

warren ellis = writing JLA classified currently; grant morrison wrote the regular JLA title a while back.. I have the first three trades, if you want. it's weird. cartoony.

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:06 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, maybe I don't like Morrison quite as much as I thought I did then!

He was a little weird on the X-Men run, too. I never felt like people were behaving totally out of character, but a lot of what went on made me feel... unsettled. Particularly Xavier?

Maybe it just unsettled me because the X-Men are my sacred cows, and at least in theory DEAD WAS DEAD and events supposedly had more permanent significance. Even though a lot of that was later undone, those events are still having an enormous impact on the storylines today (probably because there's been nothing as daring or substantive since then).

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 03:35 (twenty years ago)

his jla stuff... well i liked a bunch of it but i kinda hated the art and superman with long hair followed by superman in the weird blue lightning suit upset me!

and yeah comics are frustrating! because you're me and you get back into them after 15 years and spend too much money on them and lots of them aren't very good!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 04:33 (twenty years ago)

Which trade did Morrison kill Jean in?

WTF?! Instead of expressing my confusion and dismay, I'll do this instead: "you get back into them after 15 years and spend too much money on them and lots of them aren't very good!"

Except change "15 years" to "6 years" and "spend too much money" to "no money at all because I actually haven't bought any comics in 6 years but they still have a special place in my heart, especially when dudes tell me that Jean Grey got killed WTF."

― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

If you haven't read any Morrison since the first 14 issues of Invisibles (I gave up on comics right around when Sandman ended), what would you recommend? I actually had a note I took to the local comics store when I was in middle school saying I was allowed to buy Doom Patrol.

― 'Twan (miccio), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:36 (twenty years ago)

....what Miccio said. Recommend me some Morrison.

― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 05:49 (twenty years ago)

WTF?! Instead of expressing my confusion and dismay, I'll do this instead: "you get back into them after 15 years and spend too much money on them and lots of them aren't very good!"
Except change "15 years" to "6 years" and "spend too much money" to "no money at all because I actually haven't bought any comics in 6 years but they still have a special place in my heart, especially when dudes tell me that Jean Grey got killed WTF."

-- giboyeux (in....)

Jean dying is such a great cliche at this point. The resurrection countdown clock is running--I give it one more year max before she comes back.

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 08:10 (twenty years ago)

Sebastian O was unnecessary. Don't waste your reading time on it.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

...you think they'll time it happen close to the release of xmen3 (which, if the end of 2 is any indication, will feature the Phoenix)?

― giboyeux (skowly), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

I wouldn't put it past Quesada. Is X-Men 3 going to do the Dark Phoenix saga?

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

joss wedon will be continuing astonishing, i think, but don't expect another issue anytime soon

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Considering that Ratner wants to add some sex-pheremone prostitute character to X3, I think the careful plotting of X2 is going to get thrown out the window.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

OH NO not Stacy X? LAME LAME LAME.

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

Let's be honest: X-Men 2 exceeded any possible expectations we could have had. What a great movie!

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

is this an invitation to perpetua to join the noise board?

― Jack Cole (jackcole), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

x2 was such a letdown!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

perpetua is not allowed here.

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

Let's be honest: X-Men 2 exceeded any possible expectations we could have had. What a great movie!

-- Special Agent Dale Koopa

I feel that my expectations were met. However-- my expectations were pretty high.

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

Dude, for someone who has such high standards for customer service, you certainly have low standards for set and costume design!

― Occam's Reznor (ex machina), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

I believe New Line bought the film option for We3 -- but who knows if it will actually get made, or if it will retain its awesomeness.

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

We3 has such a heartwarming ending!!!

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

the last act of x2 was such a mess... singer dropped the ball in both of those movies, i thought

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Invisibles, for better or worse, is Morrison's central text.
All the elements are there: team-oriented, multi-layered, mutli-dimensional story style; magickal/mystical forms; kinda embarrasing drama queen-isms; crap art, sloppy loose-ends and weird ideas. The Matrix made millions swiping maybe three ideas from it, but Morrison's ripping off everyone in sight (or out). The Invisibles is a great gloss on the whole Burroughs/Crowley/Illuminatus/Tarot/Occult POV.
Morrison's my favorite writer right now, cuz I think Moore kinda meta-comic-ed himself into a corner. Morrison's way looser so comes up with stranger ideas through his sloppiness.
Haven't read JLA nor Animal Man.
The Filth is a good riff on the more "shit sandwich" Burroughs-type ideas from The Invisibles.
Doom Patrol seems like a dry run for what the Invisibles would turn into. I like it.
We3 and Seaguy are fun toilet reads.
But X-men was absolutely solid on every level, especially as a fan who hadn't read the books since 80s teenagedom. The stories are tight, smart, emotional, well-drawn and nobody does "psychic powers" or "apocalyptic future projections" as well as Morrison.
I loved X2, but I only saw it in bits and pieces on cable. Great set pieces.

― detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Dude, for someone who has such high standards for customer service, you certainly have low standards for set and costume design!

-- Occam's Reznor (dr_...) (webmail), November 22nd, 2005 3:02 PM

How many times are you going to bring this up to needle me, Jon? Would you like to imply that I'm being bourgeois and elitist like you did the last time, despite the fact that most of my jobs have been in the service industry, and the food industry at that? I expect the same basic respect from service people that I expect from all people, particularly if they expect some sort of gratuity. I know that you find low standards advantageous with the ladies, but I don’t have a lot of use for them and haven't found that they engender much happiness. I know that you find my perspective strange and mystifying but try to play the Diff'rent Strokes theme song in your head whenever you get the urge to bring it up again.

And the costumes in X2 weren't any worse than the ones Grant Morrison came up with for the NU X-MEN.

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:03 (twenty years ago)

oh snap!

― petesmith (plsmith), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)

all things considered i think alan moore is a much better storyteller than grant morrison--he's far better at setting up & sustaining a narrative

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

I might have issues with "storytelling," ultimately.

― detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

how's that.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

It's like those madmen who gone on too much about "songs"

― detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

fuck storytelling, gimme money shots.

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:45 (twenty years ago)

Alan Moore has a problem of falling into tedious formalism which tends to detract from actual storytelling verve (q.v. Promethea)

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

And let's just remember that Morrison, Ellis, and Moore are all CRAP at writing convincing female or minority characters.

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

the british are a minority.

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

Bendis writes good female characters.

― Laura H. (laurah), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

I mean, in the Invisibles, the only black characters of note are called JIM CROW and BOY. Really, now.

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

Wow, half the Invisibles are women and a minority of them are minorites. THAT'S FUCKED UP.

― detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:13 (twenty years ago)

I thought that Fahrenheit, Swift, Fuji, Sparks, Flint and Battalion were all well done and convincing characters. Ditto his takes on Meggan and Kitty.

― Dan (Don't Mess With An Ex-Ellis Fanboy) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

Ragged Robin: fetishized "sexy" female in clown makeup, no personality

Lord Fanny: super-exoticized Brazilian transvestite who is also a whore, and a priestess of filth

Boy: no personality there either, except "female, black & angry"

Jim Crow: voodoo rapper

I don't object to the includion of female or minority characters. I *do* object to using female / queer / minority stereotypes in place of characterization.

― elmo (allocryptic), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:26 (twenty years ago)

he seems pro animal

― detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:50 (twenty years ago)

people who aren't pro-animal need to be shot in teh faces.

― Special Agent Dale Koopa (orion), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 22:57 (twenty years ago)

what about animals that aren't pro-animal?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

like genocide bears? and hate salmon?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

oh my gosh, "the filth"

― moonship journey to baja, Monday, 22 October 2007 03:30 (eighteen years ago)

i adore grant morrison and pretty much everything he does.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

The Filth is A++ qliphoth shit-purge head-fuck, love it.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

We3, guys. Best short series he's done, with fluffy lovable animals to boot.

― mh, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

A friend lent me his X-Men run. Pretty great!

― da croupier, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

also, search 6/7ths of the Seven Soldiers series

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 22 October 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

The Filth is as fucked up as falling off the toilet.

Flex Mentallo is probably my favorite thing of his, but maybe because it's so short and sweet.

― kenan, Monday, 22 October 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

xp: which 7th don't you recommend?

― sexyDancer, Monday, 22 October 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

The mister miracle story was the weak link, in my opinion

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 22 October 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

you're probably right; I have no memory of it myself.

― sexyDancer, Monday, 22 October 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

i ought to read the filth, i guess.
seven soldiers lost my interest cuz i was reading it as it came out and it was a) rarely on time (am i remember this part properly?) and b) pricey to keep up with every week or whatever.
i bet the library has the trades by now, though, so i should check those.

― ian, Monday, 22 October 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

is anyone anticipating final crisis?

― chaki, Monday, 22 October 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

ian, 7soldiers was frequently delayed, yes

i really enjoyed the filth, but it can get really deliberately, oppressively vile at points -- which is really the objective of the whole book, from what i gather, but still

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 22 October 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

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